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Arrest in Madrid blast doesn't dim faith (Muslim Brandon Mayfield)
chicago tribune via yahoo ^ | May 14, 2004 | Colleen Mastony

Posted on 05/14/2004 2:05:26 PM PDT by ValerieUSA

Edited on 05/17/2004 6:11:30 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In a tiny meeting cubicle at Multnomah County Detention Center, AvNell Mayfield watched as her son Brandon sat in blue prison scrubs, tried to touch his wife's hand through a heavy glass partition and spoke in reassuring tones through a telephone receiver attached to the wall.

It was a striking scene, the first time that officials had allowed Brandon Mayfield to visit with his family since FBI agents arrested him late last week as a material witness in connection with the deadly train bombings in Madrid. AvNell Mayfield recounted the Sunday visit, remembering her son's composure and concern for his family.

But more than anything, it was his faith in the justice system that surprised and reassured his mother.

Even after the FBI had searched his house, carried away belongings and confiscated credit cards and checkbooks --without charging him with a crime--Mayfield told his family that he had faith in the system.

"He said he believes in this system. He said it is the best system in the world," AvNell Mayfield, 63, recalled. "He knows he will be exonerated."

Full story ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Kansas; US: Oregon; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: army; beaverton; bombing; brandonmayfield; detonators; egypt; fbi; fingerprint; islam; lawyer; mosque; muslims; oregon; portland; spain
The oozing sympathy in this article is just slimy.
1 posted on 05/14/2004 2:05:27 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Brandon Mayfield, 37, a U.S. citizen and Muslim convert

It is said that those who lie with dogs get fleas. Looks like this fellow got in bed with a whole bunch of mongrel dogs.

2 posted on 05/14/2004 2:09:34 PM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: neutrino

I swear we are going to have to do something about the internal enemy (leftist reporters) very soon because they are going to cause all of us to be dead.


3 posted on 05/14/2004 2:12:20 PM PDT by joltinjoe
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To: joltinjoe

We absolutely are. President Bush spoke of those how hate us for our freedoms - high on any such list would be the leftists reporters you mention.


4 posted on 05/14/2004 2:15:21 PM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: joltinjoe

reference thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1131988/posts?page=6


5 posted on 05/14/2004 2:16:06 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: neutrino

another reference thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1132031/posts?page=2#2


6 posted on 05/14/2004 2:17:29 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Grampa Dave

update

Yet another reference thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1131292/posts?page=220#220
Madrid case leads to lawyer in Oregon


7 posted on 05/14/2004 2:24:47 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA

"The oozing sympathy in this article is just slimy."

It really, really is. It sounds like the accused has more dignity that his family and the reporter.

What if it turns out that this guy really is a terrorist, will we hear about the apple blossoms, or whatever the heck it was, then?

Every single one of these home grown terrorists have elicited a sympathetic response from the media, even the younger of the beltway snipers. Ok, the older guy the media wasn't so nice to. What is wrong with these people? The terrorists want to kill them too, why don't they grasp that? Have they forgotten Daniel Pearl?



9 posted on 05/14/2004 2:37:13 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: ValerieUSA

Innocent until proven guilty.

"Johnny, where's your homework?" "The FBI ate it."


10 posted on 05/14/2004 2:53:32 PM PDT by RonF
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To: joltinjoe
I think this timeline is all wrong:

Brandon Mayfield had a tangential connection to Jeffrey Leon Battle, who pleaded guilty in November to conspiracy to wage war against the U.S. in Afghanistan (news - web sites) as part of the so-called Portland Seven case. Members of the group were stopped at the western border of China in October 2001 as they tried to go to Afghanistan to fight American forces. After Battle's arrest, Mayfield had volunteered to represent him in a custody fight. Mayfield also attends the same mosque where several other members of the Portland Seven worshiped.

11 posted on 05/14/2004 2:56:19 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: RonF
The Bilal brothers of the Portland Seven attended the same mosque as Mayfield. The mosque president praised their beautiful readings of the Koran in Arabic:

One Portland Seven member, Ahmed Ibrahim Bilal, had such disdain for Jews that he referred to them as "lampshades."

Filing details 'Portland 7' plot

12 posted on 05/14/2004 3:01:49 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Every report that I have read has stated that his fingerprint was 'in' the van. They do not say that it was 'on' the van.

Could this 'peaceful' muslim, through his contacts in the local 'peaceful' mosque, have been involved with evidence that the 'peaceful' terrorists brought with them?

13 posted on 05/14/2004 3:02:12 PM PDT by 11Bush
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To: ValerieUSA
...agents took one child's Spanish homework

conversation of agents doing search

"Hey Bob, look at this funny writing on this paper. What do you think it is?"

"I don't know but it sure looks ferrin' to me, better grab it.....

14 posted on 05/14/2004 3:04:14 PM PDT by thepainster
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To: 11Bush

The fingerprint was found on a plastic shopping bag containing detonators in the van in Madrid.


15 posted on 05/14/2004 3:21:16 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA

Battle was arrested on Oct. 4, 2002. He and Patrice Lumumba Ford plead guilty to seditious conspiracy October 16, 2003, and were sentenced to serve 18 years in prison. They left to attempt to fight with al-qaeda and the taliban October 1, 2001.
Kristen Winemiller was his attorney in that case.

Sometime in 2002 Mayfield represented Battle in a child custody case, which they lost. Not sure it was before or after Battle's arrest.


16 posted on 05/14/2004 4:20:17 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
After Battle's arrest, Mayfield had volunteered to represent him in a custody fight. Mayfield also attends the same mosque where several other members of the Portland Seven worshiped.

But Mayfield's connections to the Portland Seven are coincidental, his family said.

What is "coincidental" about volunteering to do pro-bono work for a member of the Portland Seven? There is no coincidence to that whatsoever, and to say so is just flat-out false.

It's not like they just bumped into one another on the bus. They go to the same mosque! He volunteered to represent Battle for free, his name wasn't randomly selected, and he did so knowing who Jeffrey Battle is. How could anyone possibly say that's a coincidence?

Whatever the facts in this case may be, the behavior of the press and everyone surrounding Mr. Mayfield screams "GUILTY!"

Like Mr. Mayfield, I have faith in our legal system as well. It is by no means perfect, but it will get to the bottom of this.

17 posted on 05/17/2004 5:40:58 PM PDT by Imal (Revenge is a dish best served often.)
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To: ValerieUSA

Thanks for the update. I've been worrying that this case would fall off the earth.


18 posted on 05/17/2004 5:57:06 PM PDT by blam
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To: RonF
Innocent until proven guilty.

A common phrase in the press these days. It is most frequently used by those who are, in fact, guilty to attempt to deflect pre-trial notoriety, although those who are innocent can and should maintain their innocence, and this popular phrase fills the bill.

You get a special prize if you can tell me where that phrase comes from. (Hint: It's not in the U.S. Constitution.)

I prefer "presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law."

Public discussion, whether in the press, on the Internet or on the sidewalk, isn't a court of law, either for purposes of presuming innocence or proving guilt. Attempts to impose courtroom rigor on public discussion are oppressive and contrary to the spirit of American freedom, as well as contrary to U.S. law if attempted by government.

If I see you commit a crime, I know you're guilty, and don't need to pretend I don't know you're guilty. In fact, to do so would be to disqualify myself as a witness to the crime, and that would be grossly irresponsible. If I as a witness have a reasonable doubt, so should a jury. If you reasonably believe I am guilty of a crime, it's your duty as a citizen to say so, and testify accordingly if called to do so in court.

Likewise, if someone behaves suspiciously, it is perfectly reasonable to take note and say so, and, in fact, it would be irresponsible not to. To publicly speculate about someone's innocence or guilt is speech protected under Amendment One to the U.S. Constitution. As long as one is not defaming or libeling someone else, such speculation is not only acceptable, but commendable.

It is our duty as citizens to keep an eye on what our government and legal system are doing. If we fail to do so, we fail as Americans, and will deserve the very unpleasant consequences of our dereliction of duty. Part of this duty involves observing and discussing criminal acts and legal proceedings, and assuring ourselves that our legal system is doing what it should.

"Justice is blind," but Americans need not be. In fact, we'd better not be if we want to remain Americans.

19 posted on 05/17/2004 6:08:51 PM PDT by Imal (Revenge is a dish best served often.)
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To: Imal

I have learned that Mayfield paid his own way to Houston to work on the doomed child custody case. He was asked by his mosque to take the case, yet there was no way in heck they stood a chance to take the child from his mother and place it with an Islamic uncle. There was more to the little jaunt than meets the eye. Mayfield had confidential access to Battle as his lawyer that others would not have. This was obviously a delivery of sensitive goods, documents or a message of some sort from Portland to jihadists in Texas.

Also, Battle did not attend the same mosque in Beaverton, Oregon as Mayfield. Two of the Portland Seven did, the Bilal brothers, but not Battle. I am wondering if another white Muslim atty., bigmouth Tom Nelson, was consulted to recommend a lawyer.


20 posted on 05/17/2004 6:14:46 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Imal

Hear, hear!

Good blog, BTW


21 posted on 05/17/2004 6:20:21 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA; All
A couple of items, and I know it's hard to keep track. The Chicago Tribune must be excerpted, even when picked up by others, as in this case Yahoo. The Independent does not allow even excerpts.

These restrictions apply equally to article posts and replies.

Reference.

22 posted on 05/17/2004 6:26:25 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: ValerieUSA

My ego and I thank you. The Free Republic is a never-ending source of inspiration for self-absorbed polemicists like myself.


23 posted on 05/17/2004 6:49:10 PM PDT by Imal (Revenge is a dish best served often.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you for cleaning up. :)


24 posted on 05/17/2004 7:26:58 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Imal

Here is a little history on Battle in Houston - not much

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/100402_local_terrorarrests.html

... I just came back from an exclusive interview with Battle's brother, Everett, about the news that his brother has been indicted.

"I'm shocked, I'm outraged," said Everett Battle, Jr. "I don't believe it's him. I don't want to think that's him. But you say October. I know his wife's name is October. That's the only reason why I think that's Jeffrey. Other than that, it's not Jeffrey because all of this other stuff, Jeffrey is not involved in that kind of stuff. He wouldn't do that and I'm going to assume that he's a Muslim being persecuted. I'm going to assume that because Jeffrey would not do that."


25 posted on 05/17/2004 8:38:56 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: joltinjoe

More info on the Battle child custody case that Mayfield worked on at his own expense:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/1706528/detail.html

Federal authorities said that they became aware of Battle after one of his neighbors contacted them and said that Battle's young son was going around saying that the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were, "a good thing."

Angela Rowden, who is the biological mother of Battle's son, said that she expects to pick up her son in Portland Monday and bring him back to Houston.


26 posted on 05/17/2004 8:44:09 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
The oozing sympathy in this article is just slimy.

Heck, the local Oregon media has just about coronated his wife as Mother of The New Millenium!

If Shakespeare were alive today, he'd say "First, we'll skip all the lawyers...
we'll just torture many journalists. Slowly and thoroughly."

Not that I'd ever advocate such activities, you understand....
27 posted on 05/17/2004 8:46:12 PM PDT by VOA
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To: joltinjoe
I swear we are going to have to do something about the internal enemy (leftist reporters)
very soon because they are going to cause all of us to be dead.


I'll let an award-winning actor do my talkin' to the journalists:

"I don't like you because YOU'RE GONNA' GET ME KILLED!
-- Samuel L. Jackson in "Die Hard III".
-- which, just coincidentally (?) has a nice shot of the WTC towers in the
background as Jackson and Bruce Willis are running down the steets of NYC.
28 posted on 05/17/2004 8:49:31 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

Battle's mother protests hs innocence, too, in one article.

Why bother interviewing the mothers of accused criminals? What possible relevant journalistic value is contained in, "He was a delightful baby who never cried?" when writing a newspaper story about a man who is being questioned for his suspected involvement in a heinous international terror attack?


29 posted on 05/17/2004 8:53:33 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: blam

Here is the May 17 edition of Newsweek version of the story by Isikoff

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4933790/site/newsweek/


30 posted on 05/18/2004 10:32:44 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: VOA

BARF ALERT!

http://www.oregonlive.com/letters/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1084881470205370.xml

letter to the editor of The Oregonian:

Right to due process squelched

Tuesday, May 18, 2004

Federal authorities are not only depriving Brandon Mayfield of his rights ("Federal law cloaks detention," May 15), but they also are creating a situation in which they can detain anyone on claims of terrorist activity and any defense attorney will think twice before representing that person.


This effectively deprives all of us of our right to due process. Keeping the details of this so secret does not protect any witnesses, as the government claims -- it protects Attorney General John Ashcroft from the same humiliation that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is experiencing.

The justice department owes the public an explanation, and it owes the Mayfield family proof that Mayfield is not being kept naked in a cold cement cell.

BRIAN QUADE Northeast Portland


31 posted on 05/18/2004 10:35:33 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA; saradippity; neutrino; joltinjoe; Grampa Dave; jocon307; RonF; 11Bush; thepainster; ...
BTTT - Here is an update- a followup event:

On C-SPAN at 11:07PM EST (8:07PM AZ) is the repeat of
a 1 hour program featuring Brandon Mayfield tonight - Sat evening.

I was surfing the channels and noticed BM on Cspan and did a Google search on his name + FreeRepublic. Wala-this thread.

They made him out to be a victim.
The FBI has been picking on him....of course he gave them no reason to
....ya sure Brandon, I'll bet you're a real angel. /not.

32 posted on 07/10/2004 7:10:23 PM PDT by Phx_RC (Don't just gripe about a bad bishop... get rid of him with prayerful public action!)
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To: All
This thread might be of interest: Why American Muslim Converts Turn to Terrorism

About people like John Walker Lindh, Richard Reid, and others.

33 posted on 07/10/2004 8:06:52 PM PDT by Phx_RC (Don't just gripe about a bad bishop... get rid of him with prayerful public action!)
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To: joltinjoe
I swear we are going to have to do something about the internal enemy (leftist reporters)
very soon because they are going to cause all of us to be dead.


I think Samuel L. Jackson said it best in "Die Hard III":
"I don't like you because you're gonna' get me killed!"

This audio clip gets played often on The Hugh Hewitt Show when discussing the looney
(or sly) sectors of our cuntry that pose an internal security threat.
34 posted on 07/10/2004 9:20:37 PM PDT by VOA
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