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What If We Would Seriously Ponder the Unthinkable?
The Intellectual Conservative ^ | 13 May 2004 | George de Poor Handlery

Posted on 05/13/2004 3:34:51 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln

A case can be made that accomplishing our post-war goals has encountered barriers that make further persevering of questionable value.

The ideas to be formulated below extend beyond the limits of the “box” within which we inadvertently constrain ourselves to move about as we seek solutions. As the writer prepares to climb outside these self-constructed confines, he is well aware that his unusual considerations will not be entirely in tune with his own earlier stand. Worse than that, they are also likely to upset the reader. For this reason he plans to hide in a garbage can for a fortnight after the publication of this essay. Re-emerging thereafter will be safe. It is an adage that in two weeks everything is forgotten. Think of what you used to know but have by now forgotten about Clinton, Saddam, the assorted candidates for whatever, and the great causes of yesteryear.

The USA entered the Middle East to remove some actual and suspected staging areas for the 9/11s of the future. The initial goal of American action was to deal through short term military measures with the threat directed against her, well, yes, existence. With a logic that had passed its practical test after the last World War, US policy had attempted to follow up its military actions by laying foundations for general long term political security. Thusly, US goals went beyond the physical elimination of the Taliban and Saddamite threats. This took its cue from the reconstruction of Japan and Germany after 1945. Security against the terrorist threat reoccurring was to be provided for by the facilitation of the emergence of a political democracy. It was to be embedded in a progressive economic order. These were justified, laudable and reasonable policies confirmed in the practical realm in seemingly analogous instances.

As matters stand early in May 2004, it seems that a serious discussion of the latter part of the two-stage policy and its premises is warranted. Whatever judgment is passed on the merits or the practicality of the “impertinent(?)” proposition that follows might be, the very fact of considering alternatives should help to leave us with a considered course that we therefore should be willing to carry out.

As an American patriot the writer has an understandable aversion to waive American failures like a flag while braying the usual “non-negotiable” demand that we run. (Fast, far and most importantly, immediately.) Naturally, while performing as described, we must also incant apologies about anything, everything, addressed to anybody who might demand a knee-jerk. Well, what follows is none of the above. This will only be a suggestion that we admit that something we have undertaken did not work. In case you become inclined to accept that the general proposition to be argued is of merit you do not imply that our original cause is a generic result of American guilt that led to moral turpitude and the unfair handling of the often mentioned “Iraqi People.”

To pathological anti-Americans the challenge to Hussein and the intervention that followed were wrong from the outset because America was about to do it. Prior to the outbreak of the hostilities, the same people proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the war would be lost in a blood bath. And so it went. This is no attempt to join such choirs. (So, if that is what you were shopping for, stop reading here.)

Good politics imply the readiness to advance and to retreat whenever the circumstances -- especially when these contradict favorite theories -- demand it. The issue is not what one would, in another world than the one we have, prefer. The question must always be what can be done while the costs and the results remain in balance. Needless to say, the desired “result” must be makeable. Furthermore, the “price” should be commensurate with what we are ready to sacrifice before the costs infringe on values that are of a higher general order than the specific case at hand. It is in this spirit that the Iraq matter in its current state should be approached.

While there are sharp and well intentioned disagreements possible regarding what the real facts are, it appears to this writer that our post-war reconstruction project is in about as bad a shape as is the peace between Israel and the Palestine Entity. (That patient has been sick for the last six decades.) America undertook a noble effort that could, as precedents demonstrate, succeed. Creating a stable, democratic sovereign Iraq with rights and at least a modicum of wealth for all has never been the politically easiest of undertakings. The “oil thesis,” had it really been a motive of US actions, would certainly have counseled for (1) smashing Baathism, (2) installing a strong and stable dictatorship without Saddam, and (3) going home while promising to return in case further spanking would become necessary. The benefits would have been the end of a hostile régime, the lifting of sanctions followed by plenty of oil on the world market and victory parades State Side. Instead, America chose to help the Iraqis. Many at home and most foreign governments did not believe this. Their reservation has little to do with their sense of realism or their knowledge of how America works. On the other hand it betrays a lot about what sounds good and what they would have done had they had the power.

A case can be made that accomplishing our post war goals has encountered barriers that make further persevering of questionable value. To be sure, Saddam Hussein has given a persuasive demonstration that Iraq can be controlled. America, however, is neither Hussein nor the equal of any one of the dictators who keep their order in the region. Quite possibly, helping Iraq against herself involves a whole cluster of actions that we can not implement. There are two reasons for this. One is that, as the scandal involving the treatment of some of the “detainees” shows, the political culture of the United States does not permit their application as a policy. An even more important case can be made: recall that the country is inclined to pursue a moral goal for itself and the world in its foreign policy. This goal and the only means left to us in the current situation lack a common denominator. Lastly, “civilizing” Iraq “with the Crag” implies nowadays that America, ultimately to serve others too, must sacrifice on the altar of a false God the inner core of its defining values. To sum up: we can win but we are in danger of losing ourselves.

So, assuming that the above is essentially true, the question is, “what to do?” Here follows an immodest proposal. Consider it to be the rough and short draft with plenty of gaps and issues left open. What follows is unusual. Certainly no conqueror has ever addressed the subjugated in the manner suggested. But then, the whole situation is atypical, for win we did, but for conquest we had no desire.

What if America would issue a proclamation addressed to the Iraqis and also the world? In it the original goals of the war in our perceived interest and for a subsequent peace that extends Iraqis a chance for a better life would be reasserted.

What if this would continue: “We have given you the lives of our precious youth and the wealth of our country. We were willing to absorb risks, guaranteed losses and the critique of foes and ex-friends. Instead of simply smashing, winning and conquering, we were determined not to abandon you amidst the shambles brought upon you by your dictator who, by his threats, forced us to into war.

"So, in order to help, we promised to stay on as long as you would need our succor. In doing so, at the time farsightedly, we endeavored to supply you not only with the physical means of the reconstruction of what three wars and especially decades of tyrannical neglect bequeathed to you. We also tried to help you to lay the tested political, social and economic foundations of a progressive society that could give its members political and social democracy.

"Not being Iraqis, our commitment had limits. What we were unprepared to do was to rule over you the way your own oppressors have dominated you in the past. For this we were not equipped while we also lacked the need to steer this course. This being so it has been a shock to our people at home and to our soldiers in your country when isolated attacks against our people began to occur. We have, it would appear mistakenly, at first, taken these assassinations as acts perpetrated by incurable extremists committed to the régime we had overthrown. Therefore, we under-reacted to this challenge. We have also failed to retaliate when on top of ordnance destroyed in such attacks hostile crowds began to dance approvingly. Then these attacks against our military, civilians and even Iraqis helping to re-connect the country’s public services and organs of self government increased in frequency and gained in their brutality.

"In retrospect, for quite some time, our response proved to be inadequate. We have never retaliated to the extent of our means because we did not wish to hurt those we generously assumed to be innocent in these assassinations. We have, as in the case of the Cleric Al-Sadr, been reluctant to retaliate by destroying the locations you regard as Holy Places. This we did even though he -- and his likes -- have repeatedly misused sanctuaries to serve as the bases of his declared war against us. In general, we have done all we could not to violate your supposed sensibilities as we undertook to protect the lives of our personnel. Nevertheless, our missions to eliminate the organizations that have oppressed you in the past and which will, if they attain power, undoubtedly coerce most of you in the future, you have chosen to regard, irrespective of our restraint, as violations of your collective honor.

"In time it became apparent and therefore impossible for us to ignore or to excuse: those who behead and dismember their captives and display for public amusement the body parts of the murdered, apparently do not injure your sensibilities, nor does such comportment insult your morals or your often cited code of honor. Any reaction on our part -- such as searches and arrests that risk the lives of our troops and are certainly less destructive than leveling entire neighborhoods -- were taken by what seems to be a majority of you, as justifying further hostile acts against us. All these were taking place while, of our own volition, we have set clear dates for the return of sovereignty and our total withdrawal. This suggests to us that your desire for normality and whatever else that we can assume you might want is less strong than your wish to murder as many of our people as you can. That the diffuse realization of this has in isolated cases brutalized the treatment meted out to suspects by our simple soldiers is as understandable as it is, given our values, deplorable. In this matter, again, besides lives and money, we have paid a price for trying to accomplish more than just conquering you would have been."

What if, at this juncture, America would let Iraq know that while we have paid a price to respect their cultural peculiarities, we have, in doing so, never relinquished our right to consider our traditions, values and interests? Therefore, this having been said, let us continue.

"When we committed ourselves to what we labeled 'to bring democracy' to Iraq we have, admittedly, acted from a cultural prejudice of ours. Its premise, regardless of what you have taught us lately, is that peoples desire liberty and prosperity. We hold that to attain both, certain rules have to be implemented and certain attitudes have to guide the actions of individuals who, together, make up society. You have demonstrated to us that, collectively, you have not yet reached the level of maturity where this is the case. Our presence in your country after defeating Saddam Hussein has revealed to us much about your strengths and weaknesses.

"These are that you have a good understanding of what we might be able to do given our means but what we cannot tackle in view of our traditions. Your resistance fighters have shown that their strength is that they do not care about their own lives. At the same time we learned that many of you do not care about life in general. Those from amidst your people who acted against us have demonstrated a skill to identify our taboos and to hide behind our inhibitions in order to damage us. As we reluctantly complement them, we are forced to conclude that these attacks would have been impossible had the majority of you not been prepared to support actively or tacitly such actions. From our vantage point, you proved to be good at dying against something but unable to live a constructive life for something. We still think that most of mankind strives for liberty. However, in your current state of collective consciousness, you understand under freedom something we do not consider to be a part of it. Meanwhile you expect from liberty something we know it cannot give. Therefore, it is apparent that we cannot help you in the way we are willing to contribute to your 'happiness.'

What if, at this juncture, we would become even more forthright? So let us continue.

"This insight leads us to the conclusion that, in the light of the facts, it is time that our project -- it can be called a partial success for us and for you -- be terminated. We have achieved our original national goal which was to remove a system that was intent on creating the means to threaten us. Now, to look at it from your point of view: you will, by date X, and on your own terms, get your national independence back. We hope it will result in the freedom of the individuals inhabiting your country.

"Herewith, through our withdrawal to which your actions combined with the limitations imposed by our institutions have forced us, your destiny is as of now entirely your business. Whether you will wind up in a civil war, under the control of a new dictator or in a democracy of your own peculiar definition is in your hands and depends from here on fully on what you are able to do with your destiny. Regardless of our doubts, we wish you the best of the good fortune that you will be able to create for yourselves."

What if this explanatory admonition would end by stating that from this moment on, we will take massive retaliatory and preventive actions with the sole purpose of not putting American lives in harms way while we evacuate?

And what if all this would be concluded undiplomatically? Such as by stating that, in the same vein, the USA would be prepared to use all her means, without considering any other factors, to “restrain” any new régime that may emerge in Iraq should it become involved in attempts to imperil America’s homeland security?

Lastly, what if, without trumpeting it, the USA would leave behind those of its means in the region that an openly independent Kurdish state that includes Kirkuk might need to establish itself. Regardless of the expectable displeasure of Turkey, as a component of Iraq, the Kurds are part of that country through the negligent callousness and ignorance of the “peace-makers” of 1919. This would therefore have something to do with belated justice, the probable emergence of a friendly state and the simplification of the problems of a purely Arab new Iraq that might surface after our departure.

George Handlery is an historian. He has lived and taught in Europe since 1976.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq
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This guy has had some unusual ideas in the past. I'm tossing it out into FReepland for discussion purposes.

Lando

1 posted on 05/13/2004 3:34:51 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: Lando Lincoln
Couldn't he have put all that in three paragraphs? I think Bush needs to take Prince Bandar aside and tell him that in a vision Allah had told him he was displeased with the Arabs.

Therefore Mecca would "accidently" be nuked within a few days. It is after all, Allah's will.
2 posted on 05/13/2004 3:53:46 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Lando Lincoln
“civilizing” Iraq “with the Crag”


Paul Mauser rolling on floor laughing ass off.

3 posted on 05/13/2004 3:59:53 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Lando Lincoln
If this noble experiment in Iraq doesn't work out, the above is certainly a plausible exit strategy.
4 posted on 05/13/2004 4:07:12 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (And of whom is the more anti-social; the smoker or the anti-smoker?)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Long-winded as all get out. His audience would have fallen asleep long before he got halfway through his peroration.


5 posted on 05/13/2004 4:22:51 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Lando Lincoln

Give the left exactly what they claim to want. Boy, would that pi$$ them off...


6 posted on 05/13/2004 4:39:01 PM PDT by MileHi (The ballot box is corrupt, the soap box spews leftist propaganda, that leaves....)
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To: Lando Lincoln

I could see earthlings getting some version of this speech
from disgruntled aliens as they leave this planet in disgust...


7 posted on 05/13/2004 4:55:41 PM PDT by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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To: Lando Lincoln
I appreciate his logic, although I don't agree, based largely on an on-going study I'm working on about the situation in post-war Japan and Germany.

Just as a preview, one of the things I'm finding is that virtually everything that is said about Iraq was said EITHER about Germany or Japan (i.e., they aren't capable of democratic self-rule, their religion prohibits reasoned self-government) while VERY SIMILAR "resistance" and/or political demonstrations were occurring as early as May 1946 in Japan.

There are, of course, two key differences: 1) Germany and Japan---unless you count the communist insurgents coming in to screw things up---did not have neighboring countries sending in fighters to oppose U.S. occupation; and 2) both Germany and Japan were far more devastated physically.

8 posted on 05/13/2004 4:59:14 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

I think the notion of creating a seperate kurdish nation would be a valuble tool in stabalizing the area. It was and is the only region to be largly stable. It would even be valuble to consider just restoring iraq into the three seperate nations that formed Iraq. Each would have oil reserves and a means of generating income. This would make for two largly stable nations sandwiching an insurgent infested middle.

It is at least worth the threat if not the actual implimentation.


9 posted on 05/13/2004 7:20:46 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Lando Lincoln

I hate thinking about the unthinkable. it make my head wanna busssss open.......


10 posted on 05/13/2004 7:23:19 PM PDT by isom35
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To: isom35
LOL!

Lando

11 posted on 05/13/2004 7:33:40 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln (GWB in 2004)
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To: CAPTAIN PHOTON
Hollywood has already dealt with this subject
12 posted on 05/13/2004 7:36:40 PM PDT by CaptainK
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To: Lando Lincoln
A couple of points. First, the insistence that our Iraq strategy has fallen apart seems to me to be an exceedingly popular one considering that it is almost devoid of real fact. What did the author expect at this point? What is surprising to me is just how incorrect this is turning out to be - the locals want us to off Sadr for them, the Shi'ites are celebrating their religion openly again, and the very best efforts of an experienced and well-funded international effort to destabilize Iraq are effective only in very limited, if well-publicized, areas. The aim of turning over control to a provisional government on 30 June is, in fact, right on schedule, and the incredible level of hysterical ranting about the prison photos and a handful of insurgents serves to obscure the likelihood that we really will see that project to a conclusion.

I think that partly explains the heightened rhetoric on the part of the left, and I include most of the print and broadcast media under that rubric. They desperately don't want us to succeed because that will diminish their political power, and hence they even more desperately don't want the Iraqis to succeed. If it is these who have convinced our author that our plans are failing, perhaps he ought to turn off the television set.

I think, too, that he's selling the Iraqis a bit short here. Certainly the Kurds have made a go of representative government, as he cites himself. Why not the rest? Could we wait just a bit and see what actually happens before declaring defeat?

13 posted on 05/13/2004 7:38:41 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: longtermmemmory
It is at least worth the threat if not the actual implimentation.

We owe the Kurds more than that. I don't want them used again by us. I support giving the Kurds autonomy and it is obvious they can handle it. In fact I would support a 3 state solution as being the best compromise.

14 posted on 05/13/2004 7:43:10 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: everyone
It is, & was, politically incorrect to admit that we need bases in Iraqi to control the middle east situation.

Once our bases are functional, we should withdraw from the streets, and let the Iraqi's skirmish with each other for local political control, will keeping a tight rein over outright large scale warfare.
-- Let the political factions kill each other off in gang style actions. Who cares?

We are in Iraq for the long haul, defending our political interests. One way or another, we will stay.

Best to bite that politically incorrect bullet as soon as possible. Odds are it will be done immediately after the election, whoever wins.

In truth, the winner may be the one who first faces this fact, and fesses up.
15 posted on 05/13/2004 7:55:03 PM PDT by tpaine (In their arrogance, a few infinitely shrewd imbeciles attempt to lay down the 'law' for all of us.)
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To: expatpat
I agree. He said so much, but so little.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

16 posted on 05/13/2004 7:59:04 PM PDT by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: longtermmemmory

I beg to differ. Is the Kurdish region really all that stable? The two political parties there had a civil war ther from 1994 to 1997. Ansar-Al-Islam, a radical Muslim group, has a stronghold in the Kurdish area. The Kurds have had historically bad relations with the Turkomens, Assyrians, and Chaldeans.

Currently, the Kurds seem to be at peace among themselves. But I wouldn't bet on any long-term stability.


17 posted on 05/13/2004 8:12:31 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: meatloaf
"Couldn't he have put all that in three paragraphs?"

That is exactly my thoughts...too many words.

18 posted on 05/13/2004 8:13:09 PM PDT by blam
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To: Lando Lincoln
First, we do not need "enlightened" suggestions from a self-described patriot who chooses to live overseas to inform us of our political interests. His ideas would only be appropriate if we agree that our national interests have changed, and the course of action he proposes would be great if we were letting our national interests be determined by the French Foreign Ministry.

I think the current Administration has repeatedly, concisely and accurately stated our national interests with respect to Iraq and Afghanistan. While conditions have certainly changed, our interests haven't. And one of our interests is the establishment of stable representative governments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If we were to determine that our national interests were changed with respect to Iraq and Afghanistan, I think it is much more likely that we would determine it is in our interests to exploit our control over the region, and use it as the base for dealing with other perceived threats to our national interests.
19 posted on 05/13/2004 8:28:33 PM PDT by Poodlebrain
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To: Lando Lincoln

LOL!
We battle against insanity and the truly evil, and some people still wish to debate the "best way" to deal with the insane and the evil doers, so as to allow "them" to retain a measure of self-respect!
God help us!




20 posted on 05/13/2004 8:35:30 PM PDT by sarasmom (Watching mainstream liberal media "news reports" will cause brain atrophy.)
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