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British Militants Openly Support Bin Laden and the Rule of Islam
New York Times ^ | 4/26/04 | Patrick E. Tyler and Don Van Natta, Jr.

Posted on 04/25/2004 6:59:13 PM PDT by saquin

LUTON, England, April 24 — The call to jihad is rising in the streets of Europe, and is being answered, counterterrorism officials say.

In this former industrial town north of London, a small group of young Britons whose parents emigrated from Pakistan after World War II, have turned against their families' new home. They say they would like to see Prime Minister Tony Blair dead or deposed and an Islamic flag hanging outside No. 10 Downing Street.

They swear allegiance to Osama bin Laden and his goal of toppling Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law, like Afghanistan under the Taliban. They call the Sept. 11 hijackers the "Magnificent 19" and regard the Madrid train bombings as a clever way to drive a wedge into Europe.

On Thursday evening, at a tennis center community hall in Slough, west of London, their leader, Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammad, spoke of his adherence to Osama bin Laden. If Europe fails to heed Mr. bin Laden's offer of a truce — provided that all foreign troops be withdrawn from Iraq in three months — Muslims will no longer be restrained from attacking the Western countries that play host to them, the sheik said.

"All Muslims of the West will be obliged," he said, to "become his sword" in a new battle. Europeans take heed, he added, saying, "It is foolish to fight people who want death — that is what they are looking for."

On working-class streets of old industrial towns like Crawley, Luton, Birmingham and Manchester, and in the Arab enclaves of Germany, France, Switzerland and other parts of Europe, intelligence officials say a fervor for militancy is intensifying and becoming more open.

In Hamburg, Dr. Mustafa Yoldas, the director of the Council of Islamic Communities, saw a correlation to the discord in Iraq. "This is a very dangerous situation at the moment," Dr. Yoldas said. "My impression is that Muslims have become more and more angry against the United States."

Hundreds of young Muslim men are answering the call of extremist groups affiliated or aligned with Al Qaeda, intelligence and counterterrorism officials in the region say.

Even more worrying, said a senior counterterrorism official, is that the level of "chatter" — communications among people suspected of terrorism and their supporters — has markedly increased since Mr. bin Laden's warning to Europe this month. The spike in chatter has given rise to acute worries that planning for another strike in Europe is advanced.

"Iraq dramatically strengthened their recruitment efforts," one counterterrorism official said. He added that some mosques now display photos of American soldiers fighting in Iraq alongside bloody scenes of bombed out Iraqi neighborhoods. Detecting actual recruitments is almost impossible, he said, because it is typically done face to face.

And recruitment is paired with a compelling new strategy to bring the fight to Europe.

Members of Al Qaeda have "proven themselves to be extremely opportunistic, and they have decided to try to split the Western alliance," the official continued. "They are focusing their energies on attacking the big countries" — the United States, Britain and Spain — so as to "scare" the smaller states.

Some Muslim recruits are going to Iraq, counterterrorism officials in Europe say, but more are remaining home, possibly joining cells that could help with terror logistics or begin operations like the one that came to notice when the British police seized 1,200 pounds of ammonium nitrate, a key bomb ingredient, in late March, and arrested nine Pakistani-Britons, five of whom have been charged with trying to build a terrorist bomb.

Stoking that anger are some of the same fiery Islamic clerics who preached violence and martyrdom before the Sept. 11 attacks.

On Friday, Abu Hamza, the cleric accused of tutoring Richard Reid before he tried to blow up a Paris-to-Miami jetliner with explosives hidden in his shoe, urged a crowd of 200 outside his former Finsbury Park mosque to embrace death and the "culture of martyrdom."

Though the British home secretary, David Blunkett, has sought to strip Abu Hamza of his British citizenship and deport him, the legal battle has dragged on for years while Abu Hamza keeps calling down the wrath of God.

Also this week, over Mr. Blunkett's vigorous objection, a 35-year-old Algerian held under emergency laws passed after Sept. 11 was released from Belmarsh Prison. The man, identified only as "G," suffered from severe mental illness, his lawyers told a special immigration appeals panel, which let him out of prison and put him under house arrest.

Mr. Blunkett insisted that that should not be the final judgment on a man already found by one court "to be a threat to life and liberty."

In an interview on the BBC over the weekend, Mr. Blunkett advocated a stronger deportation policy, initially focused on 12 foreign terror suspects held without charge since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Despite tougher antiterrorism laws, the police, prosecutors and intelligence chiefs across Europe say they are struggling to contain the openly seditious speech of Islamic extremists, some of whom, they say, have been inciting young men to suicidal violence since the 1990's.

One chapter in Sheik Omar's lectures these days is "The Psyche of Muslims for Suicide Bombing."

The authorities say that laws to protect religious expression and civil liberties have the result of limiting what they can do to stop hateful speech. In the case of foreigners, they say they often are left to seek deportation, a lengthy and uncertain process and subject to legal appeals, when the suspect can keep inciting attacks.

That leaves the authorities to resort to less effective means, such as mouse-trapping Islamic radicals with immigration violations in hopes of making a deportation case stick. "In many countries, the laws are liberal and it's not easy," an official said.

At a mosque in Geneva, an imam recently exhorted his followers to "impose the will of Islam on the godless society of the West."

"It was quite virulent," said a senior official with knowledge of the sermon. "The imam was encouraging his followers to take over the godless society."

While such a sermon may be incitement, recruitment takes a more shadowy course, and is hard to detect, a senior antiterrorism official said. "Believers are appealed to in the mosques, but the real conversations take place in restaurants or cafes or private apartments," the official said.

While some clerics, like Abu Qatada — said to be the spiritual counselor of Mohamed Atta, who led the Sept. 11 hijacking team — remain in prison in Britain without charge, others like Sheik Omar, leader of a movement called Al Muhajiroun, carry on a robust ideological campaign.

"There is no case against me," Sheik Omar said in an interview. Referring to calls by members of Parliament that he be deported, he added, "but they are Jewish" and "they have been calling for that for years."

Among his ardent followers is Ishtiaq Alamgir, 24, who heads Al Muhajiroun in Luton and calls himself Sayful Islam, the sword of Islam. He says there are about 50 members here but exact numbers are secret.

Most days, he and a handful of his followers run a recruitment stand on Dunstable Road much to the chagrin of the Muslim elders of Luton.

Mainstream Muslims are outraged by the situation, saying the actions of a few are causing their communities to be singled out for surveillance and making the larger population distrustful of them.

Muhammad Sulaiman, a stalwart of the mainstream Central Mosque here, was penniless when he arrived from the Kashmiri frontier of Pakistan in 1956. He raised money to build the Central Mosque here and now leads a campaign to ban Al Muhajiroun radicals from the city's 10 mosques.

"This is show-off business," he says in accented English. "I don't want these kids in my mosque."

Other community leaders look to the government to do something, if only to help prevent the demonization of British Muslims, or "Islamophobia," as some here call it.

"I think these kids are being brainwashed by a few radical clerics," said Akhbar Dad Khan, another elder of the Central Mosque. He wants them prosecuted or deported. "We should be able to control this negativity," he said.

In Slough, Sheik Omar spent much of his time Thursday night regaling his young followers with the erotic delights of paradise — sweet kisses and the pleasures of bathing with scores of women — while he also preached the virtues of death in Islamic struggle as a ticket to paradise.

He spoke of terrorism as the new norm of cultural conflict, "the fashion of the 21st century," practiced as much by Tony Blair as Al Qaeda.

"We may be caught up in the target as the people of Manhattan were," he told them.

And he warned Western leaders, "You may kill bin Laden, but the phenomenon, you cannot kill it — you cannot destroy it."

"Our Muslim brothers from abroad will come one day and conquer here and then we will live under Islam in dignity," he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; evil; islam; jihadineurope; muslims; treason
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1 posted on 04/25/2004 6:59:14 PM PDT by saquin
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To: saquin
Liberal immigration policies come home to roost. Too bad our GOP presedent and GOP congress are just as bad.
2 posted on 04/25/2004 7:01:22 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Islamic Immigration is the West's Suicide)
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To: saquin
Let them come out and reveal themselves, because then they can be destroyed. I can't read throught the the entire intestine of NYTimes tripe to come to this conclusion.

Jihadis come out come out where ever you are, YOUR DOOM AWAITS!
3 posted on 04/25/2004 7:04:52 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: saquin
Isn't it too bad the Patriot Act is thought to target arabs and muslims? NOT!
4 posted on 04/25/2004 7:08:59 PM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: saquin
They must multiply like rabbits...They're gettin' to be everywhere...They remind me of rats at the county landfill...

A little odd that the gov'ts of the so-called Free World seem to protect these terrorists-in-waiting...If a group of Nazis opened up shop in an empty storefront or a vacant barn in the country somewhere, flying a flag with the swastika and advocating the teachings of Hitler, we'd be up in arms...But muslims, eh, it's ok...

5 posted on 04/25/2004 7:14:15 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: jocon307
Time for the 72 Virgin Express Dating Service
6 posted on 04/25/2004 7:16:41 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Only fools, cowards, criminals and terrorists are afraid of good men with guns.)
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To: saquin
"All Muslims of the West will be obliged," he said, to "become his sword" in a new battle. Europeans take heed, he added, saying, "It is foolish to fight people who want death — that is what they are looking for."

Time for a round up. They've openly called for the over through of the Crown and Parliament.

7 posted on 04/25/2004 7:17:27 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: saquin
"In this former industrial town north of London, a small group of young Britons whose parents emigrated from Pakistan after World War II, have turned against their families' new home. They say they would like to see Prime Minister Tony Blair dead or deposed and an Islamic flag hanging outside No. 10 Downing Street."

"They swear allegiance to Osama bin Laden and his goal of toppling Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law, like Afghanistan under the Taliban. They call the Sept. 11 hijackers the "Magnificent 19" and regard the Madrid train bombings as a clever way to drive a wedge into Europe."

If you're wondering how ethnic cleansing was propagated, read the above paragraphs.

What does a civilized nation do to deal with murderous theo-fascists who have legally infiltrated the country. We all know how Islamic countries would deal with it. Bring weed for your personal use into Saudi Arabia? Say goodbye to your head.

But Saudi Islamanazis come into Britain and the US and we do nothing until they have done something, in which case it's likely too late because they are already dead via a suicide attack.

As the article says, young Pakistanis (no, they are not Britons, regardless of their legal status) call for Blair's killing with impunity. They know our system of free speech and they use it against us all.

What should be done with such miscreants? Why don't our governments take a more proactive approach to Islamic killers-in-waiting who live amongst us?

What should we citizens do in the face of governmental inaction?

8 posted on 04/25/2004 7:21:16 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: saquin
Utter insanity.
9 posted on 04/25/2004 7:21:41 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: saquin
The NYTs is considered a reputable source?
Not that I entirely doubt the report, but if its from the NYTs, I think thats about as relevent as a DEBKA report.
50/50 chance of 25% of the information being factual. :^)
10 posted on 04/25/2004 7:21:53 PM PDT by sarasmom (Watching mainstream liberal media "news reports" will cause brain atrophy.)
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To: saquin
Yup. Militant Islamic ideology continues to spread. Political correctness prevents countries from taking action against it within their borders. This is happening in the US as well.
11 posted on 04/25/2004 7:24:10 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: saquin
Somebody tell me why these people are being allowed in here.
12 posted on 04/25/2004 7:31:47 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: saquin
Anarchy await'ith.. GOOD.. Any people that would allow obvious looming anarchy to happen. deserves it. call it cleansing of the gene pool.. cause the entire western world is hamstrung by leftist feminist ideology and will pay the piper for it. Under writing the Islamic system is only the most obvious example. The leftist control of minority and femine demographics will eventially force the men to act. And leftist groups are hardening their perimeters. so the reaction will be and must be extreme.

Is the sky falling ?.. Nah! it already has fallen. The political clouds you see once were much higher and deeper on the horizon. But now are political FOG. If you can see through the fog... you are lieing.. and probably should be excised from the gene pool too.

13 posted on 04/25/2004 7:48:57 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: saquin
I'm getting pretty old but, I will pass on my weapons and ammo stash to my son.

BLOAT!

14 posted on 04/25/2004 7:52:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: yooper
They say they would like to see Prime Minister Tony Blair dead or deposed and an Islamic flag hanging outside No. 10 Downing Street."

How 'bout the Brits compromise and just hang their violence mongering clerics outside 10 Downing Street? That would put an end to the legal wrangling over deportation. They would be welcome to stay in Britain . . . just six feet under where they could do no harm. But only after they are hanged, gibbeted and have their heads displayed on Tower Bridge.

15 posted on 04/25/2004 8:15:47 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: saquin
Pray for a peacefull solution to this mess. I am not pessimistic enough yet to say it can't happen, but you can bet your bottom dollar I am prepared for the worst. We all should be, it may come to a climax in our lifetimes.
16 posted on 04/25/2004 8:22:26 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: TexasTransplant
- Priceless. i must steal it.
17 posted on 04/25/2004 8:28:14 PM PDT by epigone73
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To: saquin
Lock 'em up....forever.
18 posted on 04/25/2004 8:31:11 PM PDT by darth
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To: hosepipe
Couldn't agree more.

Carl schmitt, a bad man in many, many, ways, was right about this:

The FIRST duty of any state is to preserve itself, in its present form, at ANY COST.

A commitment to religious tolerance and self-government does not require one to sit idly by while barbarians vote us out of existence, or resort to other means to bring about their goals.
19 posted on 04/25/2004 8:31:18 PM PDT by epigone73
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To: saquin
Didn't the English execute people for treason at one point? Do they still recall what Guy Fawkes Day is about?
20 posted on 04/25/2004 8:34:37 PM PDT by Polonius (It's called logic, it'll help you.)
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