[thoughtomator]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say the actual figures are suppressed because we killed a hell of a lot of Iraqis in a very unfair fight. We destroyed a whole bunch of Iraqi divisions on our way in, and have killed and captured many enemies since. But us vs. them is not why we do this. Soldiers die in far-off places defending our right to live in peace over here.

[antaresequity]

Simple answer: Not enough I guess

[greydog]

I don't know. I just did a google search and all it lists is U.S. casualties and (innocent) civilian Iraqi deaths.

[Just Lori]

Well it's a hell of a lot less than Vietnam! I remember Vietnam. It seems many Americans do NOT.

[chance33_98]

I am womdering how many murders we had in the US in the last year....

[Imagine]

A better question might be how many enemy deaths were NOT from Iraq?

[bogdanPolska12]

Stay calm all of you, please. More info will be giving to you later. Trust me on this, more enemies has died then media reports and more action is going right now then media reports also.

We are kicking their butt!!!!

[chance33_98]

heck, with 16,000 deaths in the US from murderers maybe we can convince the liberals to pull out of the US :) :)

[Right Angler]

Nearly as many as Teddy's car?

[LdSentinal]

Over 1000+ insurgents killed. Hundreds captured. Hundreds more wounded.

And this is not counting the mauling coalition forces have done to Sadr's militia men.

[McGavin999]

We're having enough trouble with the rest of the world without giving them numbers to beat us over the head with. If they knew the numbers they'd be out there wringing their hands like crazy.

[AntiGuv]

Not enough.

[Clock King]

I disagree with everybody who says it doesn't matter what the Iraqi casulties are. It is true that this is war, and in war soldiers die, but we should never allow the objectives of war (in this case, freeing a people from an evil dictator, ridding the world of a terroist base, etc. ) to overide our basic humanity. All human death in war deserves some measure of ...(what?) understanding. Although I am lothe to recommend anything from Hollyweird, "Three Kings" points this out pretty well. Not all dead Iraqis are evil Bathists (in fact, I suspect most aren't. If Saddam is any example, they're a bunch of cowards). Many were just young men looking for a job; unfortunately, they were born on the wrong side of the planet.

[expatguy]

Iraq is only one front, one theatre in the overall "War on Terror".

I consider it foolish to be fighting a war and not to be concerned with the number of forces you are ultimately up against.

Im not really that good at statistics, hopefully someone else can add to this, but I will give it a shot.

There are roughly 1.2 Billion Muslims in the world.

Depending on who you ask, 5-10% of the Muslims worldwide are considered fundamentalists ie. extremists. (120 Million) These are the ones that you will not be able to make peace with or be able to reason with. These people are fighting for an idealogy and are willing to die for their cause. Many of these individuals from various Muslim countries and the West will be drawn to Iraq (the battlefield) to confront the "enemy"

Of that number (120 Million), roughly 50% are woman and so that leaves 60 million. There are a lot of children to consider as well which further reduces the number of military aged men. A conservative estimate might be in the range of 10-15 million.

And so you have 10-15 Million fighters worldwide supported financially and idealogically by 105-110 Million fundamentalists worldwide.

Once leaders are identified the number becomes further reduced to roughly 3-5 Million. These are the ones who must be killed.

A lot of people think that killing so many of them will just create new terrorists. I would dispute that. From my own personal experience I dont see that happening. Moderate Islam ultimately can play a role in absorbing those former extremists who no longer find themselves receiving moral support or any form of leadership in their quest for "Jihad". Therefore the solution involves taking the out the upper and mid level leadership of militant Islam.

An "ustaz" in a Madrasah only controls roughly 20-30 individuals. These groups of 20-30 individuals aged from around 12-16 years old are relentlessly drilled day and night weakened by inadaquate food and sleep deprivation. A typical meal for dinner might be a hard boiled egg, rice with a few condiments. A hungry child will be told that nourishment can be obtained from prayer and from the Quran. "Tajud" Prayers (Night Prayers) are performed and these children are woken in the middle of the night to pray until sunrise.

What I found particually interesting is that the "Uztaz" will typically ask the children to pray not for themselves but for the leader of the Madrasah...asking Allah to aid the leader in leading the children... and this is where the power of suggestion starts to come into play. When the children are asked to do something later by the leader of the Madrassa they firmly believe that they are doing what Allah wills them to do and not what the leader wills them to do.

The methodology to retrieving these individuals is similar to deprogramming someone who has been brainwashed. I have had a lot of personal experience with this and found it actually doable on a small scale in the same size groups of 20-30 individuals. Trust becomes a major issue and one must be a Muslim, have an extensive understanding of Islam AND the Bible and be able to converse in the local dialect.

And so... there you have it. Sorry for ranting.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

http://www.canadiandimension.mb.ca/extra/d0314ak.htm

Russian Expert Predicts 500,000 Iraqi Dead

[7thson]

This is something I try to get through to people. I had a friend explain it this way. It's like you are listening to a football game and the announcer comes on and says, "Well folks, it looks like the Redskins are in trouble. The Chargers have scored fourteen points on them." And the announcer never tells you that the Skins are beating the Chargers 51-14. That is what the news media is doing. It is giving one-sided stats, and the American public just believes we are dying over there. They do not know that we have inflicted thousands of casualties.

[PISANO]

We have LOST 509 to COMBAT. Please stop using unfortunate accidents, suicides and death by natural causes in your KIA numbers.

[festus]

The opposition claims we killed 700 of them alone in the restoring control and surrounding the city related to this nucklehead cleric. We claim it was only 600.

And we have been engaging in operations against these flatheads for over a year now from afghanistan to Iraq.

I agree with the poster who answer the question how many with "not enough".