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Stalin and The Unknown Stalin (Book)
STLtoday.com ^ | 4-18-04 | Joseph Losos

Posted on 04/18/2004 4:29:08 PM PDT by FairWitness

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:36:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Simon Sebag Montefiore has written a supremely important book about Joseph Stalin, a biography that other scholars will find very hard to equal.

There is a bit about Stalin's life before 1932, setting the stage for the years when he became, as the author remarks, a "red tsar." The story really begins when Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (the dictator's birth name) had climbed to the top of the greasy pole (to use Benjamin Disraeli's wonderful analogy), having pushed aside Vladimir Lenin's expected successor, Leon Trotsky, and then cleverly defeated first the leftist group and then the rightist group. He was the No. 1 man, but Montefiore shows how he was still merely first among equals, a leader but not the leader.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: biography; bookreview; communism; russia; stalin
See also this recent thread: (It's a Disgrace This Book Had to Be Written-Does Stalin deserve the opprobrium visited on Hitler?

Will there ever be a time when the name "Stalin" will evoke the same scorn/revulsion/horror as "Hitler"?

1 posted on 04/18/2004 4:29:08 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: Agitate; StarCMC; TheEngineer; kid_in_kc; Jesse from Missouri; FairWitness; deadmenvote; ...
Ping.
2 posted on 04/18/2004 4:47:29 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: FairWitness
Will there ever be a time when the name "Stalin" will evoke the same scorn/revulsion/horror as "Hitler"?

No, Stalin only became really anti-semitic toward the end of his life. Ukrainians, Russians, etc., haven't been nearly as eloquent about their holocausts caused by Stalin and not Hitler. Solzhenitsyn and the western Robert Conquest have tried, though.

3 posted on 04/18/2004 4:50:54 PM PDT by xJones
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To: FairWitness
Will there ever be a time when the name "Stalin" will evoke the same scorn/revulsion/horror as "Hitler"?

Probably not. From what I hear our State Dept. at the time was full of Communist who hid the fact that Stalin murdered millions. I think that mindset is still there.

He certainly deserves as much, if not more scorn than Hitler.

4 posted on 04/18/2004 4:51:41 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: FairWitness
Will there ever be a time when the name "Stalin" will evoke the same scorn/revulsion/horror as "Hitler"?

Probably not. From what I hear our State Dept. at the time was full of Communist who hid the fact that Stalin murdered millions. I think that mindset is still there.

He certainly deserves as much, if not more scorn than Hitler.

5 posted on 04/18/2004 4:51:41 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: FairWitness
a person of above-average intelligence; great charm, when he wanted to display it, and natural shrewdness who had a tough youth and a tougher education in a time of conspiracy and slaughter.
Stalin may have been a Tsarist agent before 1914; that did not prevent him from being an especially brutal Bolshevik among a gang of very violent men.

These two sentences, I think, says it all..

Stalin was a sociopath and an opportunist..
Determined to survive, and succeed, he learned his early lessons well..
Serve those stronger than you until you're strong enough to challenge and eliminate them, and eliminate those that are weaker, before they become strong enough to challenge you, in turn..
Show no mercy, it is for weaklings.
It is OK to smile and lie, if it advances your purpose... ( Hitler used this one to excellent effect..)
Seize control of all avenues to power, as quickly as possible..
Eliminate any challenges to that control..
Trust no one, manipulate everyone..

Sounds alot like Bill Clinton, in some respects..

6 posted on 04/18/2004 5:14:05 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: FairWitness
The wiping out of millions of "kulaks" - non-poor farmers - in the early '30s had been atrocious, but at least there had been some rationality about it

So remember kids, if you're going to murder in the mass, at least be rational about it!

Give me a break.
7 posted on 04/18/2004 5:19:18 PM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: FairWitness
you left out one other thing from the book.
the only other job, besides brutal commie ruler, that stalin ever had? weatherman. that's right- stalin started off as a weatherman.

think about it.
8 posted on 04/18/2004 5:25:38 PM PDT by beebuster2000 (the only thing quagmired is the lib mind)
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To: Missouri
Indeed, Stalin was at least the equal of Hitler on many levels..

Consider, if Stalin had access to the industrial capacity of Germany at the same time that Hitler did..
It may very well have been Hitler's Third Reich being invaded by Stalin's armies.

Both gained control over their populations by different methods, and Hitler's methods, while milder, and more manipulative, allowed resources to be spent on industrialization, creation of a war machine, etc...

Stalin's methods required almost total resources devoted to molding the population's thought and actions through brute force.
No time or resources could be redirected to technology or military industries..
IIRC, Stalin's resources were devoted to agrarian reform, and the communist, communal farm structure.. brainwashing, as it were..

Thanks for the "ping"..
I may have to pick up a copy of this book..

9 posted on 04/18/2004 5:30:01 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: FairWitness
Stalin was an OK guy, just "misunderstood."...Ed Asner. (barf!)
10 posted on 04/18/2004 6:04:03 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
LOL! And according to Eleanor Cliff living in Cuba is a lot like living in Miami, just a little bit poorer. These people are simply obtuse!
11 posted on 04/18/2004 6:20:07 PM PDT by lizma
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
So remember kids, if you're going to murder in the mass, at least be rational about it!

So very cold-blooded, wasn't he. Amazing the things we humans can say & do - I suppose a lack of concience helps.

12 posted on 04/18/2004 6:22:32 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: lizma
- - - according to Eleanor Cliff living in Cuba is a lot like living in Miami, just a little bit poorer.

But they have such good health care, don't you know; and education. </ sarcasm>

13 posted on 04/18/2004 6:24:52 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
concience = conscience
14 posted on 04/18/2004 6:27:03 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
The wiping out of millions of "kulaks" - non-poor farmers - in the early '30s had been atrocious, but at least there had been some rationality about it

Yeah, that quote got me too.

Rationality? Perhaps a liberal can rationalize the forced
starvation of hundreds of thousands of poor farmers,
I can't.

Anyway, we know who killed Kirov.
Stalin.
Kirov had become too popular, Stalin used his death to
come down hard on Ukrainian nationalists.
Then he killed the killers.
Anton Antonov-Ovseyenko details it all in, "Who killed Kirov?"
15 posted on 04/18/2004 6:35:12 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Drammach
Indeed, Stalin was at least the equal of Hitler on many levels..

I don't mean to downplay what the Nazis did but it has become overkill. In our "popular culture" about every act of evil has a Nazi behind it. Where are all the "Stalinist" bad guys?

16 posted on 04/18/2004 8:21:16 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: FairWitness
Read tomorrow
17 posted on 04/18/2004 8:25:20 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic RATmedia agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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