More Details On Christian Arrested (Saudi Arabia)

International Christian Concern ^ | 4/5/04 Saudi

[miltonim]

ICC has received more details on the case of Brian O'Connor, the Indian National Christian arrested and allegedly tortured by the Saudi Religious Police (the Muttawa).

The Police at the Olaya (Riyadh) police station state that he is locked up on account of preaching Christianity and other charges which are drug related and for selling liquor.

These are typical charges (drug charges) for those the Saudi's suspect of spreading the Gospel.

The Police have again stated that they have no proof of the these charges but the charges were made by the Muttawa.

We are also getting a report that he was targeted as a Christian by the Muttawa and suspected of spreading the gospel.

He was taken into custody with 5 bibles. His passport has been confiscated which could mean the Saudis are planning on deporting him.

ICC has also received notice that Brian was transferred to Al Hair Jail on 04th April, Sunday at 9:00 AM.

The Jail officials say that he may have to face a jail sentence of 3-4 months and then will be given deported from the country. We again are calling on Christians to call the Saudi Embassy and politely but firmly protest this case.

The Saudis have used the religious freedom in the US to build thousands of Mosques and to push for fair treatment of Muslims here while allowing no religious freedom for Christians in Saudi.

Call Now: Embassy of Saudi Arabia: 2600 Virginia Ave NW u Washington, DC 20037-1905 (202) 342-3800 More details can be found at: Press Release: Brian O'Connor

[miltonim]

Muhammad-inspired persecution of Christians, Jews and all non-Muslims continues...

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[2banana]

Islamic Tolerance:

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam

Egypt -Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

[TheBattman]

When a Chiristian is arrested and (possibly) tortured in the muslim satanist countries, I get upset - but then I analyze what we know about the case.

In this case - any any Christian who prosletyizes in these Muslim countries knows exactly the danger of their actions - otherwise they would not be there. Much as the Appostle Paul did, they put there lives on the line for their faith and I greatly appreciate and respect that.

On the other hand, what's with the supposed "Christians" who insist on not only proseltizing (which in my book is the right thing to do), but also sell alcohol - a banned substance in the Islamic countries? We can complain about the prosletyzing charges, but selling an illegal substance is not a wise way of displaying Christian values - especially when Alcohol sales and use are a debatable subject even between Christians.

We allow Islamic proselytizing here in the US - but if they step across the line and sell illegal drugs, they are criminals and subject to arrest. Why should "Christians" be any different in Muslim countries?

I support any charges Saudi Arabia wants to charge this "Christian" with that relate to the sale of alcohol. I do not support any charges relating to proselytizing.

[B Knotts]

especially when Alcohol sales and use are a debatable subject even between Christians

How is that a "debatable subject?"

[Agamemnon]

These are typical charges (drug charges) for those the Saudi's suspect of spreading the Gospel.

Did it ever occur to you that charges are trumped up? Why do you so gullibly choose to believe charges brought by the Muslim equivalents of Caiaphas?

[Indie]

The Saudis have used the religious freedom in the US to build thousands of Mosques and to push for fair treatment of Muslims here while allowing no religious freedom for Christians in Saudi.

It is time to choose friends based on something other than "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Especially when it just is not true.

[TheBattman]

Some Christians have no aversion to alcohol, whereas others are adamantly against Alcoholic sales and use.

What I am trying to say is that as a group, Christians cannot agree on the moral place of alcohol.

[Safetgiver]

Sheesh! These lying Moe-ham-head shiiteheads use the drug/alcohol thing to 1. have a case against anybody they want to shut up and 2. disgrace them to fellow Moe-ham-heads. Read betwixt the lines and remember the moe's are accomplished, encouraged LIARS.

[TheBattman]

Yes, it did occurr - although there are other cases where "Christians" have been arrested in Saudi Arabia as well as other Islamic countries for selling alcohol.

I also believe I addressed that with my us of the word "if".

[TheBattman]

Have trumped-up drug charges ever been used against anyone here in the good-old USA?

The point - anyone in authority with an agenda will use anything they can to get their way, including trumped up charges.

Again, we go back to my use of the word "IF". If these people were actually selling alcoholic beverages (against the law in Saudi Arabia) then they are criminals. IF these are trumped-up charges, then the authorities are in the wrong.

BUT - there have been groups that actually were selling alcohol in the past....that just happened to call themselves "Christians".....

[Agamemnon]

Yes, it did occurr - although there are other cases where "Christians" have been arrested in Saudi Arabia as well as other Islamic countries for selling alcohol.

Your evidence?

I also believe I addressed that with my us of the word "if".

Your use of the word "if" to supposedly "qualify" your statement is about as credible as it's hypothetical usage in any push poll. You cannot hide the fact that you gullibly credit those Islam-o-slobs with a truthful accusation.

One merely wonders why.

[TheBattman]

I have no respect for Islam as a religion, but I do not believe that being a Muslim automatically makes you a liar.

Do Muslims/Islamists lie - despite their "scriptures" teaching otherwise, do use lies to further their cause.

On the other hand, just because Christians have been charged with trumped up charges such as these does not make every single charge ever laid a lie.

And me digging up "evidence" of my belief is just as likely as you diggin up and presenting evidence to the contrary -

[Agamemnon]

And me digging up "evidence" of my belief is just as likely as you diggin up and presenting evidence to the contrary -

I didn't think you had any evidence, and I just smoked you out. The allegation that Christians were selling alcohol is for you to prove not a negative for me to disprove.

Clearly you can admit only to some unsubstantiated, nebulous "belief." You want to give them some un-merited benefit of the doubt, but clearly you don't understand the culture. As I said before, one merely wonders why.

As it pertains to the Muslim practice of the virtue of truthfulness, one only need travel and do business in the Middle East as I have to know a demonstrated penury of truthfulness in transactions or in matters having to do with non-Muslims is not only endorsed in practice but is quite commonplace.