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New Fossil Links Four-legged Land Animals To Ancient Fish
National Science Foundation ^ | 01 April 2004 | Staff

Posted on 04/02/2004 4:25:18 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Ichneumon
... and a nice chianti.

I can console myself it's in good company. (Except for the veggies.)

61 posted on 04/02/2004 6:15:12 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Ichneumon
I've got an inexpensive-but-still-good chianti sitting right on this desk here...mmmmmmm
62 posted on 04/02/2004 6:16:08 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: keithtoo; PatrickHenry; Junior; VadeRetro
Methinks I hear the sound of a worldview or two cracking...
63 posted on 04/02/2004 6:18:26 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: PatrickHenry


Periophthalmus modestus

heh hehe
64 posted on 04/02/2004 6:18:56 PM PST by visualops (Help cure FReepathons....become a monthly donor!!)
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To: Long Cut
Better bookmark it, Pat. You'll need it later on other threads when they start talking about "no transitionals" for the umpteenth time.

No need, really. There are so many "transitionals" that have already turned up that this is really no big deal. Except for those who've been told -- by those creationist websites -- that there are none at all.

65 posted on 04/02/2004 6:20:23 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: Ichneumon
OK, let's make this plain.

I don't for one minute believe in evolution. It's not possible for a lightning bolt into a mud puddle to start life than ends up with the complexity of living things that exists today.

I believe that humankind has a soul that was instilled by GOD the Creator.

I also believe that after we die, we don't just go back into being a mud puddle. I think we will live forever, one place or the other.

I cannot prove that GOD exists, and you cannot prove that HE doesn't. I'll take my chances with my belief in the future, your's doesn't look so good.

Sorry it took so long to respond, the pizza man came.

66 posted on 04/02/2004 6:26:54 PM PST by Licensed-To-Carry (Al Franken - The turd in the punch bowl at every party.)
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To: VadeRetro
What is it about a new discovery that makes some people shriek and jabber as if they had wasps down the back?

Knowledge can be a scary thing, so new infusions of it are sometimes greeted as a vampire does sunlight.

67 posted on 04/02/2004 6:28:00 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: VadeRetro; PatrickHenry; vpintheak
Anyway, aside from genetic similarities, early amphibians had bone-for-bone practically the same heads as their immediate fish ancestors.

But it's amusing watching the Kerryationists spin it. "It's just a fish! - It's just an amphibian! - fish! - amphibian! - It's a Specially Created Creature like Jonah's Fish/Whale! - Shaddup!"

68 posted on 04/02/2004 6:29:58 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("It is always tempting to impute unlikely virtues to the cute" - Reinstated Tagline)
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To: Ichneumon
Knowledge can be a scary thing ...

"Oh, dear, Yankees in Georgia! How did they ever get in?"

69 posted on 04/02/2004 6:30:52 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: visualops
Good point! Mudskippers are basically gobies. That is, they're fish. But these particular gobies are reinventing amphibianism where head-to-head competition with existing amphibians (which presumably would have a head start) does not exist.

Once in a while, nature repeats itself. Eyes seem to have been invented independently several times. Walking and flying animals seem to have gone back to sea more than once. (See under whales, pinnipeds [i.e, seals and sea lions], sirenians, and penguins.)
70 posted on 04/02/2004 6:30:58 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Ichneumon
(And could someone explain to me why the nastiest insult anti-evolutionists can think of to throw at evolution is to call it religion? Hmm...)

Ah, that nebulous idea I once had now has words. Thank you.

71 posted on 04/02/2004 6:31:17 PM PST by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Lump it in a bin and swear everything in a bin is the same. Yeah. A lawyer's game.

The bins are imposed upon a nature which begs for some kind of classification and simultaneously defies it.
72 posted on 04/02/2004 6:36:21 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Ichneumon
Knowledge can be a scary thing, so new infusions of it are sometimes greeted as a vampire does sunlight.

What strikes me so ironic about such names as "The Discovery Institute" is that it's all an exercise in making what we do know go away.

73 posted on 04/02/2004 6:38:17 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: PatrickHenry
...describe a remarkable fossil that bridges the gap between fish and amphibian..."

A TADPOLE does that... so what? That's supposed to prove that the evolution is reasonable?

74 posted on 04/02/2004 6:42:06 PM PST by greenwolf
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To: Licensed-To-Carry
"I don't for one minute believe in evolution. It's not possible for a lightning bolt into a mud puddle to start life than ends up with the complexity of living things that exists today."

How can you say that, when the Theory Of Evolution makes no such claim? Please, learn what the Theory actually describes, and rely not on some myth you heard somewhere.

"I believe that humankind has a soul that was instilled by GOD the Creator.

I also believe that after we die, we don't just go back into being a mud puddle. I think we will live forever, one place or the other."

Evolution does not discuss either of these beliefs, nor disprove them.

"I cannot prove that GOD exists, and you cannot prove that HE doesn't."

Scientists are not trying to disprove the existance of God. However, you are correct that it cannot be proven, either, which is why science must ignore it as a factor. It deals with PROVABLE observations and data.

You operate from some misconceptions. Perhaps I could suggest doing some research on your own?

75 posted on 04/02/2004 6:48:16 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Licensed-To-Carry
OK, let's make this plain.

About time.

I don't for one minute believe in evolution.

Nobody cares what you believe. Probably not even your mother.

It's not possible for a lightning bolt into a mud puddle to start life than ends up with the complexity of living things that exists today.

Why not?

I believe that humankind has a soul that was instilled by GOD the Creator.

Again, nobody cares what you believe. Oh, and just what is a "soul"? Oh, and which creator - Jehovah, Wodan, Zeus, Vishnu, the Trickster Coyote, or one of the many other "creators"?

I also believe that after we die, we don't just go back into being a mud puddle. I think we will live forever, one place or the other.

Well, bully for you. But nobody else cares what fairy tale you believe, so just why did you mention it?

I cannot prove that GOD exists, and you cannot prove that HE doesn't.

No sh@t, and that goes for each and every one of the last 5,000 gods that conmen have created to fill their needs.

I'll take my chances with my belief in the future, your's doesn't look so good.

From my perspective, your view is laughable at best.

Sorry it took so long to respond, the pizza man came.

Oh, good something we can agree on.

76 posted on 04/02/2004 6:49:30 PM PST by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: greenwolf
A TADPOLE does that... so what?

A baby amphibian looks like a grown-up fish.

Did you know that a baby horseshoe crab looks like a grown-up (but quite extinct) trilobite? Did you know that a baby lamprey (primitive jawless fish) looks like a grown up primitive chordate? I suppose you knew that hatchling insects typically look like segmented worms.

In each case (supported by independent lines of evidence) it appears that the resemblance is based upon descent. That is, amphibians indeed spring from fish, insects from segmented worms, etc.

77 posted on 04/02/2004 6:50:43 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: greenwolf
"That's supposed to prove that the evolution is reasonable?"

Yes, if added to all the other evidence collected over the decades.

I've yet to see any evidence collected by creationists/IDers. All I've ever seen them do is trash the one theory which HAS evidence to support it. Their arguments are entirely negative; no positive evidence is ever offered, save Scriptural quotes which are unverifiable.

78 posted on 04/02/2004 6:52:13 PM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Licensed-To-Carry
I don't for one minute believe in evolution.

Because you've spent a lot of time learning about that branch of biological science and have identified methodological flaws in it? Or for... other motivations?

It's not possible for a lightning bolt into a mud puddle to start life than ends up with the complexity of living things that exists today.

Leaving aside the issue that you've clearly got an erroneous grade-school level view of what evolution actually says ("lightning in a mud puddle"??), and the fact that evolution by definition does *not* deal at all with the question of how life may have first started, you have failed to explain why you believe that such a scenario would be "not possible", end of story.

That's pretty much just as undeveloped an argument as your original "BS" declaration. In fact, it's just a longer version of the same thing. Sitting there and simply declaring, "Nonsense! Poppycock! Balderdash!" all day still doesn't count as a rebuttal.

It also fails to address the fact that regardless of how against "common sense" the scenario may be, nonetheless there are mountains of evidence indicating that indeed, that's what happened, and an honest man would go where the evidence indicates rather than reject the obvious "on principle".

I believe that humankind has a soul that was instilled by GOD the Creator. I also believe that after we die, we don't just go back into being a mud puddle. I think we will live forever, one place or the other.

What exactly does any of that have to do with evolution, if anything?

I cannot prove that GOD exists, and you cannot prove that HE doesn't.

What does any of this have to do with evolution? (Hint: Many Christians have no problem accepting evolution as well.)

And what on Earth caused you to jump to the conclusion that I would care to try to prove that God doesn't exist?

I'll take my chances with my belief in the future,

Feel free.

your's doesn't look so good.

You haven't a clue about my beliefs or my future, but I see that this doesn't stop you from smugly declaring that I'm likely damned. How sweet of you. And arrogantly judgmental.

Sorry it took so long to respond, the pizza man came.

No apology necessary, pizza would be my first priority too, if one arrived here.

79 posted on 04/02/2004 6:52:25 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

"Believe me, my friends, they have no evidence!"

80 posted on 04/02/2004 6:56:02 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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