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Iraq Arms Inspector Says Search Is a Tangle
NY Times ^ | March 31, 2004 | DOUGLAS JEHL

Posted on 03/30/2004 7:09:24 PM PST by neverdem

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The New York Times


March 31, 2004

Iraq Arms Inspector Says Search Is a Tangle

By DOUGLAS JEHL

WASHINGTON, March 30 — The new chief weapons inspector in Iraq told Congress on Tuesday that a lack of cooperation from ousted Iraqi officials was thwarting American efforts to untangle the many remaining mysteries surrounding Iraq's suspected illicit weapons program.

In the public version of testimony delivered behind closed doors to two Senate committees on Tuesday, the inspector, Charles A. Duelfer, acknowledged that American inspectors had still not found any evidence of an illicit arsenal. But he seemed less inclined than his predecessor, David Kay, to close the door on the possibility that such weapons might yet be found, saying that inspectors were continuing to pursue leads — "some quite intriguing and credible" — about concealed caches.

A top Democratic senator, Carl Levin of Michigan, later complained that the public version of Mr. Duelfer's testimony had omitted information contained in the classified version that would have raised further doubts about whether Iraq possessed illicit weapons at all.

Through a spokesman, Mr. Duelfer responded by saying that the two versions of his testimony "mirror each other, consistent with the protection of sources, methods and other classified intelligence information."

Senator Levin, who serves on both panels that Mr. Duelfer addressed in closed session, asked the Central Intelligence Agency to declassify the entire report, to the fullest extent possible, "so the public can reach their own conclusions."

Mr. Duelfer, who took charge of the search in January, said at a news conference on Capitol Hill that the picture of Iraq's suspicious activities "is much more complicated than I anticipated going in." He said he could not predict how much more time he might need before he reached final conclusions about what illicit weapons, if any, Iraq possessed at the time of the American invasion last March.

"The people we need to speak to have spent their entire professional lives being trained not to speak" about illicit weapons, Mr. Duelfer said in a public version of his testimony. He said that Iraqi scientists and engineers were keeping silent both out of fear of prosecution or arrest by American officials, and out of fear of retribution from supporters of the former government of Saddam Hussein.

Mr. Duelfer took over from Mr. Kay, who at the time of his resignation in January said that American officials were "almost all wrong, probably" in assessing before the war that Mr. Hussein's government possessed illicit weapons.

Mr. Duelfer said Monday that inspectors had uncovered new information that Iraq had in place before the war at least the technical ability to use civilian facilities to quickly produce the biological and chemical agents needed for weapons.

Still, Mr. Duelfer said: "We do not know whether Saddam was concealing W.M.D. in the final years or planning to resume production once more sanctions were lifted. We do not know what he ordered his senior ministers to undertake. We do not know how the disparate activities we have identified link together."

The status report issued by Mr. Duelfer was the first such update since October, and it came nearly 10 months after Mr. Kay and his Iraq Survey Group began their hunt last June.

The failure of American inspectors to find illicit weapons in Iraq has prompted Democrats, including Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the party's presumptive presidential candidate, to press the Bush administration to acknowledge having been wrong in the prewar assessments in which senior officials described Iraq's weapons program as a principal reason for going to war.

In urging patience, however, Mr. Duelfer was echoing the calls made by President Bush and by George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, to whom he reports as a special adviser.

Two Republican senators, Pat Roberts of Kansas, who heads the Senate Intelligence Committee, and John W. Warner of Virginia, who heads the Senate Armed Services Committee, both joined Monday in asking for more time before any final judgments are reached.

Mr. Duelfer expressed a particular frustration about what he described as "the extreme reluctance of Iraqi managers, scientists and engineers to speak freely."

Even a year after the American invasion, he said, "obtaining clear, truthful information from the senior Iraqi leadership has been problematic even at this point in time." While officials of the Iraq Survey Group had met with "hundreds of scientists," he said, it had yet to identify who in any particular program had played the most critical roles.

"Many people have yet to be found or questioned, and many of those we have found are not giving us complete answers," he said. And while American investigators had recovered millions of documents, he said, millions more were destroyed, while a shortage of people who can translate Arabic meant that only a "tiny fraction" of the whole had yet been fully translated.

Among former Iraqi officials willing to talk, he said, "they oftentimes are the ones we know were not in the inner circle."


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KEYWORDS: carllevin; charlesaduelfer; davidkay; duelfer; iraq; iraqiscientists; iraqsurveygroup; isg; kay; levin; prewarintelligence; scientists; wmd
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Levin and Duelfer are basically calling each other liars. I'll go with the guy who's lying is the one whose surname can make an alliteration with liar.
1 posted on 03/30/2004 7:09:26 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
What buried Iraqi MiGs look like:


2 posted on 03/30/2004 7:13:52 PM PST by martin_fierro (Holder of an M.A. degree in The Obvious)
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To: martin_fierro
100 tons of what we are looking for could be stored in a small garage. Assuming everything was kept together, and not scattered, it will be a long time before anything is found.
3 posted on 03/30/2004 7:16:01 PM PST by oolatec
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To: neverdem
Mr. Duelfer, who took charge of the search in January, said at a news conference on Capitol Hill that the picture of Iraq's suspicious activities "is much more complicated than I anticipated going in."

Duelfer went in as a WMD skeptic. He's apparently not skeptical anymore.

4 posted on 03/30/2004 7:17:15 PM PST by alnick
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To: martin_fierro; Amelia
When was that found?
5 posted on 03/30/2004 7:17:41 PM PST by Howlin
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To: neverdem
Which country does Levin work for?
6 posted on 03/30/2004 7:19:18 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: neverdem
conditions at the prison where they are being held are obviously too good. they should be on chain gangs, digging up suspected WMD sites 10 hours a day with shovels. a couple of weeks of that - they'll talk.
7 posted on 03/30/2004 7:19:42 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Howlin
Here's a link about an August '03 find:
http://afr.com/articles/2003/08/01/1059480545424.html
8 posted on 03/30/2004 7:28:21 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: oceanview
-"conditions at the prison where they are being held are obviously too good. they should be on chain gangs, digging up suspected WMD sites 10 hours a day with shovels. a couple of weeks of that - they'll talk."

Amen to that!
9 posted on 03/30/2004 7:33:03 PM PST by firebug01 (Support Bush!...THE MEDIA LIES!!)
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To: Howlin
Not sure if it was after Gulf War I or II, but here's where I found the pictures
10 posted on 03/30/2004 7:43:40 PM PST by martin_fierro (Holder of an M.A. degree in The Obvious)
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To: neverdem
We shouldn't allow this WMD stuff to sidetrack us. Yes, it would have been great if we'd found a bunch of nukes and nerve gas lined up in clearly-labelled stainless steel cannisters like in some James Bond movie.

But let's not forget why we're really in Iraq: The middle-east is a swamp of dysfunctional regimes that produces suicide bombers intent on killing us. The US is over there because somebody needs to start draining that swamp. I'm thankful that we have a president who has the vision and the guts to take the job on.

11 posted on 03/30/2004 7:51:29 PM PST by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: neverdem
They wont talk? put a gun to thier head(empty chamber & clip... pull trigger)! Still wont talk put a live gun to thier wives head!
12 posted on 03/30/2004 7:56:37 PM PST by KingNo155
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To: Starve The Beast
I agree with your assessment, but there's nothing written in stone saying we'll succeed and have an intact Iraq that's some sort of democratic republic, ideally. That's why it would be so nice to stick it in the faces of the rats. BTW, I read today on NRO, IIRC, that it was the Germans who told us that Iraq had mobile chem and bio production facilities.
13 posted on 03/30/2004 8:02:18 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: martin_fierro; ntnychik
Some were found on April 16, 2003. More found on July 6, 2003.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1036015/posts

http://cryptome.org/iraq-mig.htm

15 posted on 03/30/2004 8:11:56 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: neverdem
...there's nothing written in stone saying we'll succeed and have an intact Iraq that's some sort of democratic republic...

You are certainly correct, unfortunately. Our effort to bring democracy to Iraq as a start to stabilizing the Middle East is a huge undertaking, and may easily fail. But we need to do something. Hats off to Bush for this bold attempt, and let's hope it's a success.

16 posted on 03/30/2004 8:18:05 PM PST by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: Howlin
Another reason there are spastic democrats:

APRIL 2003 late : (LONDON TELEGRAPH UNEARTHS DOCUMENTS LINKING AL QAEDA & IRAQI INTELLIGENCE) The unearthing of documents directly linking Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization to Saddam Hussein this weekend may have hermetically sealed the Bush administration's case that dismantling Iraq's Baathist enterprise was in part necessary to undo terrorism's dynamic duo. But closing that case may reopen a Pandora's box for ex-Clinton administration officials who still believe their policy prescriptions protected U.S. national interests against the growing threat of terrorism during the past decade.
The London Telegraph's weekend revelations raise deeply disturbing questions about the extent and magnitude to which President Clinton, his national-security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, and senior terrorism and State Department officials — including Assistant Secretary of State for East Africa, Susan Rice — politicized intelligence data, relied on and even circulated fabricated evidence in making critical national-security decisions, and presided over a string of intelligence failures during the months leading up to the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.
Analysis of documents found in the rubble of Iraq's intelligence headquarters show that contrary to conventional wisdom, Iraqi military and intelligence officials sought out al Qaeda leaders, not the other way around, and ultimately met with bin Laden on at least two occasions. They also show that channels of communication between al Qaeda and Iraq were created much earlier and were wider ranging in scope than previously thought. The timing of the meetings sheds important new light on how grave the Clinton administration's intelligence failures may have been. On February 19, 1998, about six months prior to the attacks in Dar Es Salaam and Nairobi, Iraqi intelligence officials set in motion a plan to bring a senior and trusted bin Laden aide to Baghdad from Khartoum. One of the key Mukhabarat intelligence documents shows that a recommendation was made for "…the deputy director general to bring the [bin Laden] envoy to Iraq because we may find in this envoy a way to maintain contacts with bin Laden." The meetings took place in March 1998. "The Clinton Intel Record Deeper failures revealed. ," by Mansoor Ijaz, National Review Online, 4-29-2003

17 posted on 03/30/2004 8:24:08 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: neverdem
There were more than 3 reportsfrom different sources the sighting of large caravans of trucks originating in Iraq and headed for Syria, and ultimately Lebanon's Bekaa Valley... before the war. Saddam hid his Aces under the table, and he still plans on using them. The reason we have not found WMD's in Iraq, is because they have been moved from Iraq. That should be obvious by now. So, what to do? Perhaps we need much, much more intelligence presence on the ground in Syria and Lebanon? Seems logical, eh?
18 posted on 03/30/2004 8:26:12 PM PST by Richard Axtell
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To: Richard Axtell
So, what to do? Perhaps we need much, much more intelligence presence on the ground in Syria and Lebanon?

Definitely, the question is how to get native Arabs to get under cover for us and not be double agents. That took a long time with the commies.

19 posted on 03/30/2004 8:46:23 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Let the Israli's interrogate them!
20 posted on 03/30/2004 9:24:09 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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