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Tensions Rise Over Cave Trip Farce (Brits In Mexico)
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 3-28-2004 | Mark Townsend

Posted on 03/28/2004 2:32:12 PM PST by blam

Tensions rise over cave trip farce

MoD scotches wild theories claiming it told Mexico about expedition

Mark Townsend
Sunday March 28, 2004
The Observer (UK)

Diplomatic tensions over six Britons being held in Mexico after being rescued from flooded underground caves increased last night when it emerged Ministry of Defence officials had told Mexican authorities of the cavers' precise plans over a month ago. The Observer has also learnt that the potholers, freed from a cave beneath the Mexican jungle on Friday after being trapped for eight days, had explored the same caves two years ago. The men were arrested after their rescue.

This latest trip has descended into farce amid claims the MoD-sponsored expedition was a secret uranium prospecting exercise and that precise details of the trip were not forwarded to the relevant authorities. Mexico's president, Vicente Fox, has demanded 'clear information' about what the British party - which included military personnel - were doing there. Fox said the British response so far 'frankly did not satisfy'.

Relations between the two countries have been strained since The Observer revealed how Britain helped a US spy on Mexico's UN mission in the run-up to the Iraq war. Mexico demanded an explanation into the allegations last year. Britain initially refused but last month gave a diplomatic - and secret - verbal briefing to Mexico.

The reason given for the men's caving trip is humdrum in relation to the wild theories being pushed forward since the party became trapped underground by rising water levels. In fact, the expedition to explore the Cuetzalan caves appears little more than an attempt in conjunction with the Royal Geographical Society to map the labyrinth; one of hundreds of routine adventure trips the Army organises for its personnel across the world including regular expeditions to Mexico.

The men, who had tourist visas, could be deported, prohibited from returning for several years, face fines of up to 3,000 pesos (£180) or spend 18 months in jail if they are found to have broken immigration rules.

The six, from the Combined Services Caving Association, were taking part in Exercise Cuetzalan Tiger, a mission designed to teach self-reliance, endurance and leadership.

The military personnel were named as Sergeant John Roe of the RAF, Navy warrant officer Charles Milton, and from the Army, retired Army Major Jonathan Sims, Sergeant Chris Mitchell and Captain Toby Hamnett along with civilian caver, Simon Cornhill.

It now seems unlikely that the men will be released today, although talks between Foreign Office Minister Bill Rammell and the Mexican ambassador were described as constructive. Mexican authorities are investigating the possible breach of their tourist visa, an offence which can carry an 18- month jail sentence. Mapping is classified as a 'scientific' activity in Mexico and needs a special visa. Yet so far checks on the men's equipment have failed to substantiate allegations of a secret uranium-finding mission.

'We have no evidence, at this moment, of any illegal activity. We can't react in a paranoid or aggressive manner,' said Mexico's organised-crime prosecutor Jose Luis Santiago Vasconcelos last night.

Nor it seems, as had been claimed, did the men deceive officials when entering the country on 28 February. Days earlier the British Army contacted British Embassy officials in Mexico City concerning the expedition.


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: brits; cave; cavers; conspiracy; frace; mexico; rise; tensions; trip

1 posted on 03/28/2004 2:32:14 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Vicente Fox desperately trying to be known for something else other than his illegal Mexican boondoggle.
2 posted on 03/28/2004 2:34:15 PM PST by cyborg (troll on a stick)
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To: blam
Mexican pols suck. This is ludicrous, V. Fox and friends are complaining about illegals, give me a freaken break.

I have the plan, treat all Mexican illegals the same as Mexico treats illegals. Fine or lock their sorry arses up.
3 posted on 03/28/2004 2:37:48 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: blam
Mexican authorities are investigating the possible breach of their tourist visa, an offence which can carry an 18- month jail sentence.

Oh please - Mexico, you guys are so full of it.

4 posted on 03/28/2004 2:38:35 PM PST by demlosers (Coulter: Liberals simply can't grasp the problem Lexis-Nexis poses to their incessant lying.)
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To: blam
... or spend 18 months in jail if they are found to have broken immigration rules.

Mexico inforcing immigration laws. The irony is thick.

5 posted on 03/28/2004 2:39:38 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (Kerry is a combat vet. But he fought for the wrong side.)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Uranium claims dropped against cavers

Mexican authorities have dropped a criminal investigation over allegations that six Britons rescued from a cave were searching for uranium.

But the men, who were on a military training expedition, were continuing to be held over possible visa irregularities.

Immigration officials have until Monday to interview the men before they must decide whether to take further action.

An MoD spokeswoman said: "They saw the Attorney General yesterday and they were released without charge but now the Mexican authorities still have them."

But the army's most senior officer Chief of General Staff General Sir Mike Jackson, said the cavers' difficulties had simply been the result of a "great misunderstanding" and the purpose of their expedition was to "bolster initiative and courage".

He told BBC1's Breakfast with Frost: "It seems to me that their purpose was to explore these caves further than they had already been explored. There seems to be a misunderstanding. I very much hope it gets sorted out quickly."

The five servicemen and their civilian guide were rescued from a waterlogged cave on Friday after spending more than a week underground.

They were initially questioned over visa issues and later police investigated local media reports that they had been looking for radioactive materials - claims repeatedly denied by the Ministry of Defence and now dropped altogether.

It is now up to immigration officials to decide if they broke the terms of their tourist visas.

They could be deported, barred from returning for several years, face fines of up to £180 or jailed for 18 months if found to have broken immigration rules.

6 posted on 03/28/2004 2:41:52 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
It has been said in the past that Mexico is the most corrupt nation on Earth.
7 posted on 03/28/2004 2:46:51 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Notice how tough Mexican immigration laws are.)
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To: demlosers; blam
Mexico, you guys are so full of it.

I'm getting a bigger yuk out of the Brits.  They think they know all about dealing with south of the border Latins because of their experiences with the French.  The fact is that the French can't hold a candle to Latin Americans when it comes to 'goofy'.

I'm waiting for Powell to tell the UK ambassador to 'calm down and use diplomacy'-- oh yeah, and say it with a pompous condescending British accent. 

I'd give a month's wages just to watch the Brit crap in his pants.

8 posted on 03/28/2004 2:48:51 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: blam
They could be deported,

Oh, no!

barred from returning for several years,

No big deal.

face fines of up to £180

Cheap at half the price.

or jailed for 18 months if found to have broken immigration rules.

Use Mexico for target practice.

9 posted on 03/28/2004 2:51:32 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: blam
face fines of up to £180

What is that? 2,500,000,000 pesos?

10 posted on 03/28/2004 2:52:12 PM PST by MediaMole
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