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1 posted on 03/28/2004 10:05:56 AM PST by areafiftyone
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"He is enough of a stickler for Catholic rules to have sought an annulment of his 18-year first marriage before marrying again."

He is an annulment Catholic. I don't know what grounds he had, after 18 years and several children. By annulling his marriage, he rendered his kids bastards.
2 posted on 03/28/2004 10:10:29 AM PST by maro
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Kerry's positions on some hot-button issues aren't sitting well with members of the church elite.
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The elite, my Catholic rear end (sorry, Father). We non-elite believe that not only should he not receive Communion, until he changes his public positions, he has no right calling himself a Catholic. He has the choice of being an abortionist politician or a Catholic. If he never sets foot again in a Catholic church, that would be none too soon for me.

3 posted on 03/28/2004 10:15:30 AM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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John Effing Kerry (or John Francios Kerry - don't know which I like best yet) is NOT Catholic. The Catholic faith is not a political party, where one can pick and choose which beliefs they will adhere to. There is no such thing as a "liberal" or "conservative" Catholic - you either believe and you are, or don't and are not. He worships at the altar of the abortionists and sodomites, so he clearly has chosen not to be Catholic. The huge weak link in the American Catholic Church, as we just saw with the pederast scandal, is the weakness of the Bishops, who are just a bunch of 1960s-era hippies, with no moral fiber to speak of. He, along with Daschle, Kennedy, etc., should all be denied communion, as their actions and vocal utterances have separated themselves from the Church, hence not being in communion with it.

I also remember reading in the past that Kerry has NOT been an active church-goer; his going now is purely for political reasons. As for his getting an annulment, big freaking deal - annulments in the Church are another source of scandal, as they are given out like candy. Again, he did that for political purposes so he could work his gigoloing way into more money.

Too bad the media crucifies those who abide by their faith (Pryor, for example), but give a free pass to those who make a mockery of it.

6 posted on 03/28/2004 10:17:43 AM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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The Pope needs think very clearly about the ramifications of a Kerry Presidency on the Catholic Church.

He is a pro abortion, pro homosexual marriage apostate Catholic who can do great harm to the Church's dogmatic teaching that innocent life is to be protected.

Pastors should be preaching from the pulpit and the Pope should address it personally and publicly.

8 posted on 03/28/2004 10:21:45 AM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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Kerry quotes James 2:14 "...if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds." What if a man claims to have faith, but his deeds are regularly in contravention of that faith? What does that make him?

Yes, O'Malley has scandals on his hands, but it only creates another one to let Kerry and Kennedy take communion. If the Church would turn away hypocrite piliticians, it would stregthen not weaken its witness.

9 posted on 03/28/2004 10:31:38 AM PST by Malesherbes
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Fear not dear Christians, Kerry's beliefs are absolutely in accord with those of his church. It is just his claims about those beliefs that are false. Why would you believe that Kerry wouldn't lie about this as well?

And, clearly, this dichotomy has never bothered his Massachusetts constituents, why should it bother any of the rest of us now? Kerry is a lying scum bag; why does that obvious conclusion come as a surprise anyone?

14 posted on 03/28/2004 11:10:14 AM PST by Tacis
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"We have a separation of church and state in this country."

"I don't tell church officials what to do," he says, "and church officials shouldn't tell American politicians what to do in the context of our public life."

Kerry can cite separation of church and state all he wants. The supposed doctrine places no restriction on the church, only the government. Excommunication wouldn't be telling him what to do. It would just be telling him (and the rest of the world) where he stands in the eyes of the Catholic Church.

Wouldn't it be nice if the Catholic Church wasn't so beholden to the power of the wealthy.

16 posted on 03/28/2004 11:18:52 AM PST by delacoert
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He is enough of a stickler for Catholic rules to have sought an annulment of his 18-year first marriage before marrying again.

I thought Teresa was the one who insisted that he get the annulment.

17 posted on 03/28/2004 11:26:51 AM PST by NYCVirago
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Kerry says his faith was instilled in him in childhood and that in Vietnam he wore a rosary around his neck when he went into battle.

That must have been before he did the poll-motivated genealogical research which put him in touch with the long lost Jewish side of his family!

21 posted on 03/28/2004 11:44:55 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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People in Rome are becoming more and more aware that there's a problem with John Kerry

Hey people in Roma AND the USA know the real problem with Kerry:
He'll take orders from France.
25 posted on 03/28/2004 12:05:01 PM PST by VOA
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If Kerry's principle is accepted--that the Catholic Church should say nothing while 45 million babies are killed in America--then the Catholic Church should NEVER be accused of or criticized for supposedly not speaking up while six million Jews were murdered. You can't have it both ways.

Either the Church has the right to denounce an injustice or it doesn't.

The gutless bishops in America are personally responsible for the phenomenon of "pro-abortion Catholics." They have been dithering over the question of excommunication for over 30 years. We've seen the result of NOT excommunicating the baby killers. Let's try the other approach.

26 posted on 03/28/2004 12:08:48 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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"How might the rift between Kerry and the church he calls a "bedrock of values, of sureness about who I am"

My faith defines who I am. Without that faith, the Bible, the Mass, and fidelity to the teachings of the Magisterium, I am adrift in this culture.

No one can remotely violate one's conscience and the teachings of the church by voting for and espousing laws and attitudes that are diametrically opposed to God under the guise of some nebulous Separation idea and remain a Catholic.

To approve abortion, infanticide, fetal cell research, homosexual marraige in law and then to say it is because you represent the people is a scandal and a sin.
30 posted on 03/28/2004 12:21:51 PM PST by OpusatFR (Sure they want to tone down the rhetoric. We are winning.)
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Kerry is a former altar boy who complains when his campaign staff does not leave time in his Sunday schedule for Mass,...

So his campaign staff runs his schedule?

Either you're a devout Catholic or your not!

Obviously he is a devout ski boarder, for he had time for that.

He's only running for POTUS now, I wonder how he would handle the pressures of scheduling as President?

Take a Dale Carnegie course for time management?

I can picture the "Kerry Doctrine" in force.

"I haven't got time for terrorists threats today for I'm booked up with staff meetings"!

This guy is disgustingly selfish!

32 posted on 03/28/2004 12:43:00 PM PST by EGPWS
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What would happen if the Pope threatened to excommunicate not only Kerry but every Catholic who voted for Kerry?

What if they decided that being pro-life was THAT important?

It won't happen. You have to ask yourself why.

33 posted on 03/28/2004 12:50:08 PM PST by Triple Word Score (She's absolutely meretricious.)
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Teresa on the Stump, Teresa Heinz Kerry, from Mozambique, PRO-ABORTION Catholic, UN Employee, etc.

Teresa Heinz Kerry, Drummond Pike and the Communist TIDES FOUNDATION

The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]

John Kerry and Unborn Victims

Catholic Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual

Catholic and 100% Pro Abortion


Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics

A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

Faithful Citizenship:
Civic Responsibility for a New Millennium

An Old Testament, Litany of Life
Canon Law and Abortion
Sign Petition: To Excommunicate
The Gospel of Life--Evangelium Vitae-on Human Life
Herod's Heroes, Sign Petition

Catechism
Catechism on Abortion Catechism on Human Life
Canon Law
Canon Law and Abortion

EVANGELIUM VITAE

The 2 Kerrys. Botox Boy Tells off The Pope

'Catholic' Kerry Accuses Pope of "Crossing the Line" With Recent Document on Same-Sex Unions


Kerry raps Pope: Senator fuming over gay marriage order

35 posted on 03/28/2004 1:02:38 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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Kerry is a former altar boy who complains when his campaign staff does not leave time in his Sunday schedule for Mass, who takes Communion and describes himself as a "believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic."

What a lie. He is banned from taking communion and Massachusetts churches know this. The church he went to in Ketchum last week had not gotten the word. So in typical Kerry wise guy fashion he took communion from an unknowing priest.

36 posted on 03/28/2004 1:03:11 PM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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38 posted on 03/28/2004 1:05:13 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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Anybody have any Kerry Vietnam pictures with/without a rosary around his neck ?
45 posted on 03/28/2004 2:08:06 PM PST by stylin19a (Is it vietnam yet ?)
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Let's face it; principles, ethics, morals and loyalty are not kerrys strong suite. That's what makes him a good democrat.
53 posted on 03/28/2004 7:13:48 PM PST by freeangel (freeangel)
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John Kerry’s fellow Catholics may wish to consider the Catholic Family Association of America’s documentation of his 29 out of 30 pro-abortion votes between 1995 and 2001.

Proof: http://www.cathfam.org/cfexcom/SenateVotes.html

54 posted on 03/28/2004 7:14:59 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Leave Pat Leave!)
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