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Vatican Official Tells TIME: 'There's a Problem With John Kerry...'
I've said there ought to be a "Well, DUH!" ping list. Maybe there also should be a "Ya think??" ping list.
posted on 03/28/2004 6:50:51 AM PST
("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
It is about time that the Catholic Church got tough on these pretend Catholics. Teddy Kennedy is another one.
posted on 03/28/2004 6:52:34 AM PST
I will be a President who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic President .... I certainly intend to take Communion and continue to go to Mass as a Catholic.
I'm not Catholic, but if the church says he cannot take communion because of his pro-abortion votes and whatever other offenses he's committed, it seems offensive - and it should offend Catholic voters - that he thinks he can (just like he did while on vacation on Idaho). He's thumbing his nose at the church, big time.
Personally, I think a Catholic ought to comply with the directives of their church. Otherwise, what is the point of being a Catholic? I know Catholics who go against their own church regarding abortion, birth control, women in the priesthood and many other issues. It just makes no sense to me. I mean, it's like Ted Kennedy declaring himself to be a Republican.
posted on 03/28/2004 6:56:53 AM PST
(I'm voting for John Kerry until I vote against him in November)
Kerry was scheduled to be in St. Louis last Sunday, and told TIME, "I certainly intend to take Communion and continue to go to Mass as a Catholic."
Kerry and every other pro-abortion Catholic politician must be excommunicated. A Kerry presidency will be horribly scandalous. He will represent a terrible model for Catholics. Bishop O'Malley should have excommunicated Kerry and Kennedy as soon as he became bishop. Excommunication now can be played as a "political" move. But better late than never.
posted on 03/28/2004 6:57:53 AM PST
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
O'Malley already has a plateful of controversy. Kerry, for his part, is planning to avoid stirring any up. "I don't tell church officials what to do," he says, "and church officials shouldn't tell American politicians what to do in the context of our public life."
The arrogance of this man is breathtaking.
I was raised catholic although I think as little of Catholicism as I do of Judaism or Protestantism, or of that matter any other religion.
Nevertheless it is every persons right to be deluded and wrong (yes yes yes including me!), just as long as the "faith" that they have mysteriously come to conclude is the correct one does not infringe on others who do not happen to share their certainty and rapture.
That said, Kerry's response to the Archbishop of St-Louis demonstrates monumental arrogance. Just as he understands better than Bush or just about anyone else about what is right for the country, he is also obviously all-knowing about what the church's rights are to dictate the tenets of Catholicism.
"Ban me from communion- F you cardinal and F anybody in the church who would try to stop me from practicing Catholicism, or at least what I say Catholicism is, or at least what it should be according to what I say it should be." If the church had any guts at all it would excommunicate this jerk.
Hey John Freakin' Kerry how about living like a Catholic instead of only professing to be one at election time or when a photo op occurs?
I loved the one line where his paternal grandparents were Jewish, who converted to Catholicism. It just sounds like more of John 'effing trying to be on both sides of something. I seem to recall back before Kerry was known nationally he tried to claim he was Irish when he really wasn't. Maybe someone from MA remembers it.
St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke publicly warned him "not to present himself for Communion"an ostracism that Canon Law 915 reserves for "those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin." Kerry was scheduled to be in St. Louis last Sunday, and told TIME, "I certainly intend to take Communion and continue to go to Mass as a Catholic."
A rare bit of courage from a Catholic Arch Bishop and a typical display of hypocrisy from Kerry.
posted on 03/28/2004 7:27:32 AM PST
(Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
"I certainly intend to take Communion and continue to go to Mass as a Catholic."
YOU can do anything you choose Mr. Kerry, but the real question is, what does Jesus think about what you do?
Kerry's positions on some hot-button issues aren't sitting well with members of the church elite.
I'm certainly not a member of the Church's elite, but most of what he does and says doesn't sit well with me, either. In fact just the sight of this guy makes me want to puke.
posted on 03/28/2004 7:39:58 AM PST
(Is being referred to as an SOB in the Secret Service's job description?)
I thought Kerry was of Jewish extraction.
posted on 03/28/2004 7:42:39 AM PST
(Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
The arrogance of Time is appalling
...aren't sitting well with members of the church elite.
So whats that make us lay Cathloics? the serfs, well this lowly Catholic peasant isn't too happy about John "F" Kerry either
and also divide some Catholics from their church....
If you don't like the rules go form your own club, buh bye and good riddance.
posted on 03/28/2004 7:57:23 AM PST
(Islamic terrorists are like cancer... can you negotiate with Cancer?)
This is why the church has failed in every denomination, overt, unrepentant sinners were to be asked to leave. Being a Christian is suppose to mean something, an unbending stance on principles and honor. Liberals call it being rigid and intolerant, a foundation stone better be rigid and intolerant, and Christianity was to be the foundation of American society.
Christian membership was to be limited to those who adhere to pleasing God first, to those who, no matter how many times they might fail, would be ever dedicated to upholding it's principles without attempting to ignore, change, or deny those principles.
Now we have some Chruches allowing those who commit what God has called abomination, to flaunt their sin in God's face and call Him a liar by denying their sin is sin. Now we have some Chruches claiming that God winks at murder, adultry, fornication, lying, theft, in it's membership.
It's good to see the Catholic Church step up to the plate.
The Idaho news showed him going to the Catholic church in Sun Valley. I wish each time he got publicity from this the church would speak up.
John F'ing sKerry is about as much a Catholic as X42/rapist/perjurer is a Baptist.
Arrogant SOBs, both of them.
And them ain't sandals.
posted on 03/28/2004 8:47:42 AM PST
(I am upchuck and I approved this message because... well, just because.)
This is unfair!! The church must know that what Kerry says and what Kerry does/believes are two very different things!! If the church holds Kerry's lies against him, they are no better than Republicans!
posted on 03/28/2004 8:52:22 AM PST
Kerry: first candidate to be excommunicated during the campaign?
posted on 03/28/2004 10:00:53 AM PST
(Voting Bush because there is no reasonable alternative)
"We have a separation of church and state in this country...I will be a President who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic President."
It's A Personal Thing by Steve Taylor
The press conference
It's a personal thing, and I find it odd
you would question my believing in a personal God
I'm devout, I'm sincere, ask my mother if you doubt it
I'm religious, but I'd rather not get radical about it
the old-time believers had timidity and grace
but this new generation doesn't know its place
you're entitled to believe, but the latest Gallup Poll
says you mustn't interfere--that's the government's role
'Cause when you throw your hat in the bullring
before you know it's a personal thing
and when he comes to the day of reckoning
he's gonna tell 'em, "uh, uh, uh, it's a personal thing"
The nomination speech
It's a personal thing, and I boldly state
that my views on morality will have to wait
'til my personal life's out of the public eye
and the limitations statue can protect my alibi
I'm devout, I'm sincere, and I'm proud to say
that it's had exactly no effect on who I am today
I believe for the benefit for all mankind
in the total separation of church and mind
The victory night
It's a personal thing, and I plainly speak
(from the same code of ethics that I held last week)
as I promised if elected this election day
with the help of God almighty...I'll do it my way
posted on 03/28/2004 10:04:32 AM PST
(I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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