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Kerry challenges Bush to prosecute Clarke if former anti-terrorism advisor lied - CBS
Yahoo! News ^ | 3/26/04 | AFP/Staff

Posted on 03/26/2004 4:59:32 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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To: Integrityrocks
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Dems did their homework on votes for "declassifying" and must feel safe that it won't happen, therefore, can't prove perjury.

I'm not so sure this even comes down to "votes" for or against "declassifying" Clarkes testimony.

From an article I read today;

"No immediate information was available on how the declassification process works, but one GOP aide said the CIA and perhaps the White House would play a role in determining whether to make the testimony public."

141 posted on 03/26/2004 5:56:06 PM PST by Jorge
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To: kellynla
By November, if Kerry is still the candidate, the incoming will be so hot he'll think he's back in Nam! :-]

Good hunting!

142 posted on 03/26/2004 5:57:15 PM PST by Argus (If you favor surrender to terrorism, vote Democrat.)
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To: drjimmy
thank you for your perspective, my point of view (while probably simplistic, since I'm not a litigater) is that should all materials be declassified, the only person who will show themselves to be duplicitous is Mr. Clarke.

I believe this Admin.

143 posted on 03/26/2004 5:57:33 PM PST by Jodi
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To: shield
FEC has records of his donations to the RATS only, not one republican.

Can you post this? I'm sure Hannity or Rush would run with it.

144 posted on 03/26/2004 6:01:15 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: PhiKapMom
*giggle* I should've closed my sarcasm tag. BTW, I really appreciate your never ending support of our Prez. I'm an inveterate lurker, but I follow you, MM, and Howlin religiously.
145 posted on 03/26/2004 6:02:03 PM PST by Jodi
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To: AmericaUnited
Hi Rush! Yes it's me, the guy who does your show prep.
146 posted on 03/26/2004 6:02:05 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Have you ever seen a person more arrogant than Clarke was on TV?
I can't wipe his cocky looking face out of my mind, and also his speaking made me want to reach in my TV screen and slap the hell out of him.

I say prosecute, "The Forehead".
147 posted on 03/26/2004 6:02:40 PM PST by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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To: pushforbush
I was thinking the same thing. Would not surprise me.
148 posted on 03/26/2004 6:05:35 PM PST by Use It Or Lose It ( You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Thanks for your reply, we would all be wise to not get our hopes up. I've seen that lots of times on this board! However, any dispute, regardless of then vs. now, would brand Mr. Clarke as unreliable. That, to me, is a score in our favor.
149 posted on 03/26/2004 6:08:23 PM PST by Jodi
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To: marcinrochester
The FEC records say Clarke made contributions to Democrats recently, in 2004. He certainly is a Democrat now. He also gave to a (Dem) ex-coworker running for Congress in 2002. The original article in Insight mentioned no other contributions. So there is no evidence I've seen to mistrust his claim to be a lifelong Republican.

Say what??

"He made contributions to Democrats" is, by itself, evidence for mistrusting his claim to be a lifelong Republican. (It's not ROCK-SOLID PROOF against his claim to be a lifelong Republican, but it's certainly a reason to *mistrust* it.)

For example: I tell you about two people

-Person A made contributions to Democrats in recent years

-Person B didn't.

Now then, you tell me, which one's more likely to be a lifelong Republican in your view?

I personally think Clarke is an American hero. He is one of the few people in power to really try to do something about the al Qaeda threat.

Perhaps your standards for heroism are lower than mine, because to me, while "trying to do something" is nice, I'd be more impressed by actually DOING something.

Clarke had a high position and Bill Clinton's ear for eight years while "Al Qaeda" attacked the World Trade Center, possibly the Oklahoma City building (IN CLARKE'S OPINION!), Khobar towers, embassies in Africa, and USS Cole. I don't know what-all Clarke "tried" to do about all that, but let's summarize what they actually DID do:

-prosecution of, like, six guys for the '93 WTC bombing

-bombing of the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Sudan (JUSTIFIED BY CITING IRAQI LINKS)

-bombing of Iraqi intelligence headquarters (oh wait supposedly this was for other, non Al Qaeda related reasons, like... um....)

-intervention in a Yugoslavian civil war on behalf of Al Qaeda-linked Muslims

There's probably a few more items but I'm starting to get sick so I'll stop here.

All the meanwhile Clarke was apparently whispering in Clinton's ear the following words.... there's no possible linkage between Iraq and Al Qaeda... no possible linkage between Iraq and Al Qaeda

And then Bush asked him to investigate the possibility (just to look into it!) and he threw a hissy fit and wrote a book. Yup, some hero.

Both the Dems AND the Pubs come off very badly here.

Agreed, of course. 9/11 was obviously a failure.

But the one who comes off the worst in all this is Richard Clarke, in my opinion.

He seems to have fallen so deeply in love with his "Al Qaeda has no links" theory that he couldn't be bothered to ever challenge it. The more I hear about this guy and his infallible, indignant belief that anyone who asks him to look into Iraq-Al Qaeda links is a fool or "obsessed", the more convinced I become that Iraq was linked to Al Qaeda.

150 posted on 03/26/2004 6:15:52 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan
I agree that this is a clever move by Kerry, but for a different reason. He knows that Clarke's claims are not actionable as perjury for the simple reason that they are mostly just expressions of opinion, and a person is permitted to change his opinion. But voters don't know that. So by raising the prospect of a perjury prosecution that he knows will never happen, Kerry is inviting voters to draw the conclusion that Clarke must have been telling the truth.
151 posted on 03/26/2004 6:16:17 PM PST by Bonaventure
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
These people just don't get it - do they? Kerry challenging President Bush like that is like asking a cowboy to draw his gun!

They still haven't learned .. you don't mess with Texas.
152 posted on 03/26/2004 6:16:54 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry challenged President George W. Bush) to prosecute former national security aide Richard Clarke if they can show that he lied about terrorism policy.

So brave of Hero Kerry to be willing to risk prison time -- for one of the little people.

153 posted on 03/26/2004 6:18:10 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: PhiKapMom
Clarke is a close associate of Rand Beers and he is Kerry's foreign policy advisor.

It does seem as though there is some orchestrated ploy underway here, so I would tread very lightly. With Clarke's long tenure in intelligence matters, I would assume there is a bigger game being played. He and the Dems putting him up to this surely anticipated this response. Kerry now goads the President to prosecute Clarke. What gives? It is just too easy a case.

My concern with pushing for a perjury hearing before the congressional committee would be that Clarke goes before the committee and testifies that he was lying to the committee in 2002, that he was instructed to lie by the president himself and that he was pressured to lie. Tin-foil? Cynical? There are no depths to which the Democrats will not sink.

154 posted on 03/26/2004 6:18:46 PM PST by Gee Wally
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To: Dr. Frank fan
I'm not sure why you would assume the (D)s don't want to see Clarke be prosecuted.

For what it's worth, "Tiny Tommy" was running around yesterday trying to plant the "Clarke is a victim" line, in an apparent attempt to immunize him from the negative consequences of his actions. It's not like him 'free lance', so I'd guess that's the agreed tactic.

It's always possible it was part of a "please don't throw me in the briar patch" routine, though.

155 posted on 03/26/2004 6:20:22 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (Oh Oh. He's not only talking to himself, he's answering, too!)
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To: AmericaUnited
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Democrats
Posted March 25, 2004
By J. Michael Waller

Former counterterrorism czar Richard A. Clarke insists his attacks on President George W. Bush have nothing to do with politics, but an Insight check of Federal Election Commission (FEC) records shows that his only political contributions in the last decade have gone to Democrats.

Clarke is suspected of using his former post in the Bush White House as a weapon with which to slash and wound the president during his re-election campaign against Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.). The Kerry campaign's coordinator for national security issues, Rand Beers, has described Clarke as his "best friend." According to the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, where Clarke and Beers are adjunct lecturers, they teach a course together about terrorism. Clarke's detailed Harvard biography specifically mentions his service under President Ronald Reagan and the elder President Bush, but says nothing about his eight years working for President Bill Clinton.

During the 9/11 commission hearings this week, Clarke denied any partisan leanings. "Let me talk about partisanship here, since you raised it," he told Commissioner John Lehman, pointing out that he, like Lehman, had served in the Reagan administration. "The White House has said that my book is an audition for a high-level position in the Kerry campaign," he said. "So let me say here, as I am under oath, that I will not accept any position in the Kerry administration, should there be one." He said he was a registered Republican in 2000.

But what about this presidential election year? According to FEC records, Clarke has been giving his money to Democratic friends -- not Republicans -- running for national office

In 2002, while still on the Bush National Security Council (NSC), Clarke gave the legal maximum limit of $2,000 to a Democratic candidate for Congress, Steve Andreasen, who tried to unseat Republican Congressman Gil Gutknecht of Minnesota. Andreason had been director for defense policy and arms control on the Clinton NSC. In making his donations of $1,000 on July 22 and another $1,000 on Nov. 7, 2002, Clarke listed his occupation as "U.S. Government/Civil Servant," according to FEC records indexed with the Center for Responsive Politics.

Clarke maxed out again in the 2004 election cycle, donating $2,000 to another Clinton White House veteran, Jamie Metzl, who is running as a Democrat for Congress from Missouri. Metzl was a staffer on the Clinton NSC and worked for Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) as deputy staff director of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. With that donation, made on Sept. 15, 2003, after his resignation from the Bush NSC, Clarke listed his occupation as "Self-Employed/Consultant."

FEC records show that Clarke reported no political contributions when he worked in the Clinton administration in the electoral cycles of the 1990s and 2000, when he said he was a Republican.

156 posted on 03/26/2004 6:24:16 PM PST by shield (Scientific Discoveries of the century reveal GOD!!!!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
It appears the DemocRATs are conceding that Clarke is a liar, and are already taking steps to distance themselves from him. This will backfire against not only the RATS, but against their media shills as well.
157 posted on 03/26/2004 6:27:27 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: OldFriend
Actually, Clarke claims to have voted for McCain in the VA primary.

Maybe he did, but he has NEVER given contributions to a Republican only the rats.

158 posted on 03/26/2004 6:30:14 PM PST by shield (No)
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To: UltraKonservativen
What is really scary is tht Metzl and Andreason are both members of DFL (Democrat Farm Labor aka: Dumb F*(kers League), which is basically socialist democrat. That these 2 were in the NSC is frightening to me.
159 posted on 03/26/2004 6:37:13 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Gee Wally
Hey, anybody can SAY anything.
That scenario would make Clarke
look even more Schizoid for not
alleging it sooner & resigning
in protest. After all, his book
nor testimony say that.

Bush isn't scared of him.

Mostly because Bush did do just
what Clarke said back then.
160 posted on 03/26/2004 6:37:51 PM PST by txrangerette
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