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DeLay calls for national sales tax
Washington Times ^ | March 25, 2004 | UPI

Posted on 03/25/2004 10:58:17 AM PST by ancient_geezer

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON, March 25 (UPI) -- In a preview of the GOP agenda after the fall election, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, says they are determined to repeal the federal income tax.

Long an advocate of a national sales tax, a confident DeLay told a conference of tax lobbyists Wednesday that House Republicans will have hearings and push the issue in 2005 and 2006.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: axixofevil; delay; fairtax; gop; taxes; taxreform; tomdelay
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As the NRST picks up steam and breaks out into the major leagues.
1 posted on 03/25/2004 10:58:18 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: *Taxreform; Taxman; Principled; Bigun; EternalVigilance; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Poohbah; CliffC; ...
A Taxreform bump for you all.

If you would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House & Saxby Chambliss Senate, offer a comprehensive bill to kill all income and payroll taxes outright, and provide a IRS free replacement in the form of a pure consumption tax:

H.R.25, S.1493
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer: http://www.fairtax.org & http://www.salestax.org


2 posted on 03/25/2004 10:58:46 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: ancient_geezer
Thank God! And thank John Linder! It's about time. We've waited, we've cussed, we've fumed, we've signed petitions, we've written letters, we've prayed - and finally the Congressional leadership is waking up to something a lot of us have known for more than a decade!

This is a wonderful opportunity, and I hope the Republicans don't squander it.
3 posted on 03/25/2004 11:01:13 AM PST by SittinYonder
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To: A. Pole; dennisw; Burkeman1; CasearianDaoist
Another rallying cry to "the base!"

Not.
4 posted on 03/25/2004 11:01:19 AM PST by Shermy
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To: ancient_geezer
Pelosi: >DeLay's comments were predicated on the GOP retaining power over both the House and White House<

Okay. We can handle that.
5 posted on 03/25/2004 11:02:28 AM PST by SittinYonder
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To: eyespysomething
Ping
6 posted on 03/25/2004 11:04:29 AM PST by SittinYonder
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To: ancient_geezer; OXENinFLA
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California refused to comment on the substance of the plan,

Of course, Dims are without substance.

7 posted on 03/25/2004 11:04:53 AM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: SittinYonder

This is a wonderful opportunity, and I hope the Republicans don't squander it.

The game is called keep pushing, and don't let up on the whip or they will.

8 posted on 03/25/2004 11:05:16 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: StriperSniper

Pelosi of California refused to comment on the substance of the plan,

They haven't figured out how to spin against their finger in the wind yet.

Too many of their most important constituents want the income tax gone as much as we.

10 posted on 03/25/2004 11:09:12 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: SittinYonder
Earth to Pelosi....you have no brain....shut up!
11 posted on 03/25/2004 11:09:34 AM PST by Kerry Go Home
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To: Dog Gone
Is this Sugarland talking again?
12 posted on 03/25/2004 11:11:21 AM PST by deport (("These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I have ever seen. It's scary," Kerry said.)
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To: swarthyguy
Apparently you haven't read either of the bills.
13 posted on 03/25/2004 11:14:22 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
Nope, just the article, what's it say?

Heck, even Congressment don't read bills.
14 posted on 03/25/2004 11:15:13 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy

A EUro style Value Added Tax VAT in America?

No a visible, single stage Retail Sales Tax imposed on the purchaser of consumer products, not business purchaces, the direct opposite of a VAT.

Definition [ http://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/13330.html ]:

value-added tax
levy imposed on businesses at all levels of production of a good or service, and based on the increase in price, or value, added to the good or service by each level. Because all stages of a value-added tax are ultimately passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices, it has been described as a hidden sales tax. Originally introduced in France (1954), it is now used by most W European countries.

 


Without further cutting income tax, the Russian model would be nice, a reasonable flat tax with a base cutoff?

The Russian Model is a full fledge EU VAT with multiple rate taxes on wages besides, that basic structure has yet to change with thier vaunted "Flat Tax":

 

RUSSIA:  PART TWO OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION TAX CODE

August 10, 2000

 

Alexander Chmelev and Evgeny Astakhov

Baker & McKenzie, Moscow Office

 

Sent by BISNIS, U.S. Department of Commerce, http://www.bisnis.doc.gov

Judith_Robinson@ita.doc.gov, Tel: 202-482-2293.  BISNIS sends this report as a courtesy to the U.S. business community. This is not to be construed as endorsement or sponsorship of any information or group.

On August 5, 2000, Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin signed into law four chapters of Part Two of the Russian Federation Tax Code and Federal Law No. 118-FZ ôOn the Implementation of Part Two of the Russian Federation Tax Code and Amendments to Certain Federal Laws on Taxationö (the "Implementation Law").  The chapters of the Tax Code signed into law by the President are Chapter 21 - VAT, Chapter 22 - Excise Taxes, Chapter 23 - Personal Income Tax, and Chapter 24 - Unified Social Tax.  These four Chapters and the Implementation Law were officially published in Rossijskaya Gazeta on August 10, 2000, and, with few exceptions, will become effective on January 1, 2001.

The most sweeping changes introduced into the Russian tax system by this new legislation are as follows:

1.         VAT (Chapter 21 of the Tax Code)

Although Chapter 21 of the Tax Code does not change VAT rates or the general VAT structure, it contains numerous provisions, which will significantly affect most businesses in Russia.  Most notably, Chapter 21 substantially modifies the "place of service" rules, which generally determine whether for VAT purposes a particular transaction has occurred in Russia and is, therefore, subject to Russian VAT.  Effective from July 1, 2001, Chapter 21 also will treat export sales to CIS countries in the same way as sales to all other foreign countries, and will exempt them from VAT.  On the downside, Chapter 21 will repeal a number of long-standing and important VAT exemptions, including an exemption for license fees for the use of intellectual property (such as, patents, copyrights, and trademarks), and will significantly narrow the VAT exemption for pharmaceuticals.

2.         Personal Income Tax (Chapter 23 of the Tax Code)

 

Chapter 23 of the Tax Code will replace the current progressive tax rates ranging from 12% to 30% with a flat tax rate of 13%.  This 13% rate will apply to almost all categories of income earned by individuals who are Russian tax resident.  A 30% rate will apply to dividends, and to any Russian source income received by individuals who are not Russian tax resident.  A 35% rate will apply to income from gambling, lottery prizes, deemed income from low-interest or interest-free loans, certain insurance payments, and excessive bank interest.

3.         Unified Social Tax (Chapter 24 of the Tax Code)

Chapter 24 of the Tax Code will replace the existing employersÆ contributions to four separate social benefit funds (which currently are imposed at an over-all rate of 38.5%) with one unified social tax.  This unified social tax will have a regressive tax scale from 35.6% to 2% of an employee's salary with the lowest rate applicable to the portion of an employeeÆs annual salary in excess of 600,000 Rubles (approximately US$22,000 at the current exchange rate). It should be noted that under the Implementation Law, as a transition rule, the lower rate of this tax will be 5% rather than 2% during 2001.

4.         Excise Taxes (Chapter 22 of the Tax Code)

As a countermeasure to reducing rates of other federal taxes, Chapter 22 of the Tax Code provides for an increase in excise tax rates for gasoline and other oil products by almost 300%.  It also provides for a less dramatic increase of excise tax rates for tobacco products and certain passenger cars.

5.         The Implementation Law

a.         Turnover Taxes

Effective from January 1, 2001, the Implementation Law repeals the Housing Fund Tax of 1.5% and reduces the Road Users Tax from 2.5% down to 1% and completely repeals the Road Users Tax effective January 1, 2003.   These taxes are imposed on gross sales and have been among the most onerous taxes on business in Russia. 

b.         Regional Tax Concessions

The Implementation Law reconfirms the right of regional authorities to provide tax exemptions for the regional portion of federal taxes retroactive to April 1, 1999. This reconfirmation resolves an issue that arose in 1999 as to whether the regional portion of profits taxes could be reduced pursuant to regional incentive laws.

c.         Profits Tax Rate

Apparently in compensation to local budgets for the cancellation of turnover taxes, the Implementation Law authorizes municipal governments to introduce an additional "municipal" profits tax of up to 5% of a taxpayer's taxable profits.  Thus the maximum overall profits tax rate may be increased from 30% to 35%.

This report is provided courtesy of the Business Information Service for the Newly Independent States (BISNIS)


15 posted on 03/25/2004 11:16:30 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: Dead Dog
As if the govt has ever gotten rid of any prior taxes when raising others.

You still believe politicians?
16 posted on 03/25/2004 11:16:43 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: ancient_geezer
If this is truly going to be on the agenda they need to push that fact hard and then they need to stick to it.

I have voiced my displeasure at great length over many things that the President, Senate and House have done during this term.

If these kinds of changes would truly be in the works during a second term I'd begin to move back towards voting for the GOP in Nov. As it stands now I am as yet undecided (with the exception of never voting rat).

17 posted on 03/25/2004 11:17:09 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: ancient_geezer
Ping
18 posted on 03/25/2004 11:17:38 AM PST by LeftiesBinWhinin (Liberals: The boil in the butt crack of life)
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To: ancient_geezer
Nice talk. Sorry but I just don't believe much of what politicians say.

It's the old bait and switch routine.
19 posted on 03/25/2004 11:17:41 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: ancient_geezer
I think most true conservatives can agree the onerous federal income tax needs to be gone. Further, I think most of us can agree the replacement should be either a flat tax or a sales tax (I prefer a sales tax as I spend little money).

But IMHO, the really important issue is IMPLEMENTATION. How do we get from here to there? There are numerous obstacles to be overcome. How 'bout some detailed discussion of how rather than when?

20 posted on 03/25/2004 11:17:56 AM PST by upchuck (I am upchuck and I approved this message because... well, just because.)
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