Kerry spoke of meeting negotiators on Vietnam - Claimed US Was "Murdering" Vietnamese

Boston Globe ^ | 3/25/04 | Michael Kranish and Patrick Healy

[kattracks]

WASHINGTON -- In a question-and-answer session before a Senate committee in 1971, John F. Kerry, who was a leading antiwar activist at the time, asserted that 200,000 Vietnamese per year were being "murdered by the United States of America" and said he had gone to the Paris and "talked with both delegations at the peace talks" and met with communist representatives.

[An.American.Expatriate]

Ping to more info on Kerry's meetings witht he Vietcong in Paris.

[kcvl]

This man is more dangerous, to this country, than Bill and Hillary Clinton!!!

[opbuzz]

Kerry maintains he was a reservist for years after his discharge from active duty.

If so, then meeting with and comforting the enemy is a treasonous action.

[backhoe]

-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--

[Just mythoughts]

and.... JFKerry is coming to Kansas City, March 28, 2004, wonder if his fellow protester Randy Barnes will be visited once again?

[Bahbah]

"Kerry responded that "... but I think that at this point the United States is not really in a position to consider the happiness of those people as pertains to the army in our withdrawal."
Come again!

[GailA]

If any one thinks hanoi john just happened to go to Paris for his honeymoon...I've ocean front property in Arizona to sell you..reasonably.

[dinasour]

This man is more dangerous, to this country, than Bill and Hillary Clinton!!!

Absolutely.

The 'toons are self serving and power-hungry, and would sell out their country for the right price.

Kerry was and is a full featured traitor who would sell out his country for nothing.

[blanknoone]

But the spokesman played down the extent of Kerry's role

As well he should, given that it is actually a crime....kinda like being involved in a conspiracy to assassinate US Senators.

[Right_in_Virginia]

BTTT

[kabar]

It is about time that the mainstream media starts covering this story. Kerry and other members of the VVAW went to Paris to meet with the Vietnamese Communists. As has been documented on FR, we even have the picture of the meeting. Kerry's and the VVAW's activities need more scrutiny by the media. Also, according to his testimony before Congress, Kerry was dead wrong about what would happen if the US pulled out. Kerry thought a few thousand South Vietnamese were in danger, he was wrong. He also has a lot explaining to do concerning his support for a Communist takeover of the South.

[BlessedBeGod]

"Senator Kerry never suggested or believed and absolutely rejects the idea that the word applied to service of the American soldiers in Vietnam..."

Hey, it's one thing to use the word "murder" in a casual conversation. It's another to use it in front of a Senate committee. Didn't mean it, my you-know-what.

[thiscouldbemoreconfusing]

Kerry maintains he was a reservist for years after his discharge from active duty.
If so, then meeting with and comforting the enemy is a treasonous action.

And there is no statue on limitations on treason.

[An.American.Expatriate]

If any one thinks hanoi john just happened to go to Paris for his honeymoon...I've ocean front property in Arizona to sell you..reasonably.

How much??

[mtntop3]

Kerry, indeed, was presumably a reservist after his active duty. The oath of an officer of the U. S. Armed Forces states: "I...solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..." This, moreover, has direct application to Kerry's not reporting the manifestly serious discussion by VVAW of assasinating members of the U. S. government. He refused to carry out his oath as an officer, and cannot not in anyway be relied on to carry out the similar oath as President.

[Graymatter]

Would-be assassin buddies, Logan Act violations, medal tossing, atrocities...

He's a rebel and he'll never be any good.

[meenie]

Hanoi Jane and John are both guilty of treason. Abetting and comforting the enemy is treason, regardless of the circumstances. To accuse American soldiers of murder is treasonous. To imagine war without innocent noncombatants killed is ridiculous. This is the reason war has to be considered seriously. A soldier in the service of his country is duty bound to inflict as much damage as possible against the enemy. If Kerry opposed the war on principle, he should have filed as a conscientious objector. Case closed.

[11th Earl of Mar]

I never negociated with the Viet Cong... until I actually did.

[FR_addict]

Thanks for posting this article on Hanoi John!

[BunnySlippers]

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[mware]

Interesting the Boston Globe doing this article. Perhaps they wanted to dump this story while GW is getting hit by the media for 911.

[Preachin']

Today, an active duty member is required to report any contact with a communist to the government, even if it is accidental. Failure to do so can result in discharge and or revocation of security clearances.

I knew a guy who was discharged from the Air National Guard for marrying a lady from a communist country.

I am not sure how these rules applied then or now to active or reserve members at that time.

[GailA]

Cheap, I mean..er..cheap...I'll have to form a consulting committee to look into just how cheap. :-)

[kabar]

Kerry claims to have served on activie duty from 1966-70 and then 1972-78 in the Reserves. The gap of two years goes unexplained. No one has a total commitment of 10 years over a 12 year period. We need an explanation and full disclosure of Kerry's service records to determine, among other things, Kerry's status during the 2 year gap.

[shrinkermd]

" In a question-and-answer session before a Senate committee in 1971, John F. Kerry, who was a leading antiwar activist at the time, asserted that 200,000 Vietnamese per year were being "murdered by the United States of America" and said he had gone to the Paris and "talked with both delegations at the peace talks" and met with communist representatives

I find it hard to believe this man is a Presidential candidate. Even harder to believe is the neglect of the above issue by the mainstream press. Incredible!

[An.American.Expatriate]

It's no mystery.

Kerry was released from active duty in 1970 and went into inactive reserve status to fulfill his commitment (6 years) - during this time he retained his commission as an officer!!

In 1972 (the end of his original commitment) he enlisted in the "active" reserves.

All service commitments are for 6 years (even reenlistments). The amount of time actually spent on "active" status (regular or reserves) is not important.

While in inactive status, you can be recalled to active duty in time of national need, but this almost never happens - you are effectively "out of the service" and NOT subject to the UCMJ etc... for you normal daily actions. However, as a commsioned officer of the United States, some restictions ALWAYS apply, regardless of the status.

[Sybeck1]

The mainstream press doesn't care, they just don't want Bush in office. Kerry could have raped, maybe even possibly had people killed in the past and the press wouldn't care. Wait a minute, they have done that before!

[proud American in Canada]

"He refused to carry out his oath as an officer, and cannot not in anyway be relied on to carry out the similar oath as President."

Very well said.

[Barnstormer]

You might want to read Article 2 of the UCMJ. Any one who is a member of the Fleet Reserve is still subject to the UCMJ!

[q_an_a]

please don't make a sensible argument.

[An.American.Expatriate]

Is the Fleet Reserve the same as the "inactive" reserve??

If so, I would find this to be very interesting because several articles of the UCMJ (adultery for example) would be very hard to apply to someone in an inactive status.

That said, the fact that Kerry was still an officer of the United States during the period that he actively became a member of a group which seriously debated assassinating US Senators and engaged in other seditious activities AND during which he, admittedly, meet with representatives of the enemy (for WHATEVER reason), should be sufficient grounds for excluding him from holding an office of trust and responsibility with the US.

[tractorman]

Kerry – The pro-anti-war protester hero.
There, I think I’ve finally got it.

[StriperSniper]

yesterday confirmed through a spokesman that he did go to Paris and talked privately with a leading communist representative. But the spokesman played down the extent of Kerry's role and said Kerry did not engage in negotiations.

He we go with more trying to have both ways, hero and traitor.

[InvisibleChurch]

sounds like Flipper should bring all Viet Nam vets to trial for murder

[savedbygrace]

Kerry's statement dealt with the question of whether he was trying to negotiate in Paris as a private citizen and was thus on that "borderline" of what was allowable. A US law forbids citizens from negotiating with foreign governments on matters such as peace treaties. Meehan said Kerry was not negotiating.

Didn't Kerry bring back a document he co-signed that was like a peace treaty or something? Hazy memory here.

[VadeRetro]

Kerry, now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, yesterday confirmed through a spokesman that he did go to Paris and talked privately with a leading communist representative. But the spokesman played down the extent of Kerry's role and said Kerry did not engage in negotiations.

He just happened to be there talking to the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong representatives to the Paris Peace talks while the VVAW was negotiating a published and well-documented separate peace? What a coincidence!

[twigs]

Kerry's speech before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971 is one of the best-known moments of his life

Let's keep it that way. This man has no business in public life today, other than being behind bars for treason against his country.

[twigs]

He also asked to go to Paris to study for a year instead of going into the military; his request was turned down. This makes me think Kerry was a communist before his VN tour--no wonder he hated it so! Someone needs to dig into his school years. This man needs to be thoroughly researched.

[VadeRetro]

Kerry responded that, "I realize that full well as a study of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties, and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator [Eugene] McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera."

The borderline was very much in his rearview mirror by then.

[VadeRetro]

The "People's" Peace Treaty

[Taxman]

One begins to wonder how a man (or woman) can live his/her entire life based on intentional lies, deceit and distortions. What astonishes is that he has based his entire adult life doing so, with some success (he is, you know, a US Senator).
His string must end this year.

Now is the time!

Lets send Hanoi John Effing Kerry to the funny farm -- which is surely where he will end up when he is soundly defeated in November -- an insane footnote in the history books!

[stainlessbanner]

bump

[Hon]

I have to say that it is gratifying that someone has finally picked up this story, which I have been posting and sending around for several weeks now.

Kerry's Group Met With The Viet Cong In Paris In 1971
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1081292/posts

Kerry Met With Viet Cong And North Vietnamese In Paris In 1971
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091943/posts

Would Kerry Insist We Accept Al Qaeda's Terms Like He Insisted We Accept The Vietcong's?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1097828/posts

Kerry's Testimony Before The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, April 22, 1971 - Entire Transcript
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1097982/posts

Kerry's Veteran Organizer Joe Bangert Sang For The Enemy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1092856/posts

Though I have to say that the BG seems to be trying to put the most positive spin as possible upon his meeting with the enemy.

[kabar]

I served as a naval officer (1965-72). Although I had a regular commission, the reserve rules at the time, as I recall, required a total commitment of 6 years. Many reserve officers I served with did three years active and three years inactive.

My point about Kerry is that there is a gap of two years according to his bio. I assume since he went through OCS, he had a reserve commission, which obligated him for a total of 6 years. I don't understand the gap. If you believe that he was still in the Reserves from 1970-2, as I tend to believe as well, why does Kerry list his service as 1966-70 Active and 1972-78 Reserves? I think he is trying to cover the fact that he was still in the USNR while participating in his antiwar activities and negotiating with the enemy in Paris. Not to put too fine a point on it, Kerry has intentionally listed his service this way to deceive us.

Moreover, I am wondering why he served six years from 1972. I would like to know if he was in the active or inactive reserves during that time. I would also bet that he went to law school on the GI Bill.

[kabar]

I served as a naval officer (1965-72). Although I had a regular commission, the reserve rules at the time, as I recall, required a total commitment of 6 years. Many reserve officers I served with did three years active and three years inactive.

My point about Kerry is that there is a gap of two years according to his bio. I assume since he went through OCS, he had a reserve commission, which obligated him for a total of 6 years. I don't understand the gap. If you believe that he was still in the Reserves from 1970-2, as I tend to believe as well, why does Kerry list his service as 1966-70 Active and 1972-78 Reserves? I think he is trying to cover the fact that he was still in the USNR while participating in his antiwar activities and negotiating with the enemy in Paris. Not to put too fine a point on it, Kerry has intentionally listed his service this way to deceive us.

Moreover, I am wondering why he served six years from 1972. I would like to know if he was in the active or inactive reserves during that time. I would also bet that he went to law school on the GI Bill.

[MeekOneGOP]

Kerry. Springtime in Paris. 'Peace' ...

cough! cough! cough! ...

[Ann Archy]

Let's start a petition: RELEASE YOUR MILITARY RECORDS, SENATOR KERRY!!

[cav68]

Kerry was and is a full featured traitor who would sell out his country for nothing.


Its not would the word is DID Sell Out his Country

[rwfromkansas]

"Asked about the appropriateness of Kerry's saying that the United States had "murdered" 200,000 Vietnamese annually when the United States was at war, Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan said "Senator Kerry used a word he deems inappropriate."

Meehan said Kerry "never suggested or believed and absolutely rejects the idea that the word applied to service of the American soldiers in Vietnam." Meehan then declined to say to whom Kerry was referring when he said that the United States had murdered the Vietnamese; Kerry declined to be interviewed about the matter."

Isn't that special. So, who committed the atrocities Mr. Kerry? In past testimony you said it was your fellow soldiers. Now you are saying they didn't kill anybody....well, who the hell did?