Posted on 03/20/2004 6:01:25 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:38:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
In an unprecedented move along the U.S.-Mexico border, a convoy of 12 pickup trucks packed with suspected illegal immigrants barreled through the Tohono O'odham Nation and tried to run down approaching Border Patrol agents.
Agents stopped six of the vehicles Wednesday night and found 165 people stashed in the beds of the trucks, said Greg Maier, a spokesman for the U.S. Border Patrol's Tucson Sector.
(Excerpt) Read more at tucsoncitizen.com ...
Why don't you do some work for a change? Provide a link to a credible source that refutes anything I've said.
Whine about me later. Source it or get off the pot.
Just who in the Hell made you god of FR.com? Why do you think you have the authority to tell someone to "Whine about me later. Source it or get off the pot."
What 4Freedom said is common knowledge to everyone who takes their blinders off.
Fiscal Year 2002 Apprehension Numbers |
Afghanistan | 85 | Albania | 217 | Algeria | 68 | Andorra | 1 |
Angola | 18 | Antigua-Barbuda | 36 | Argentina | 465 | Armenia | 70 |
Aruba | 2 | Australia | 84 | Austria | 21 | Azerbaijan | 13 |
Bahamas | 193 | Bahrain | 8 | Bangladesh | 129 | Barbados | 51 |
Belgium | 24 | Belize | 160 | Benin | 6 | Bermuda | 12 |
Bhutan | 2 | Bolivia | 103 | Bossnia - Herzegovina | 32 | Botswana | 4 |
Brazil | 3,493 | British Virgin Islands | 14 | Bulgaria | 119 | Burkina Faso | 6 |
Burma | 19 | Burundi | 3 | Byelarus | 24 | Cameroon | 23 |
Canada | 3,493 | Cape Verde | 47 | Cayman Islands | 3 | Central African Republic | 4 |
Chad | 8 | Chile | 139 | China | 1,753 | Christmas Island | 3 |
Colombia | 1,748 | Congo | 33 | Costa Rica | 334 | Croatia | 17 |
Cuba | 2,750 | Cyprus | 4 | Czech Republic | 135 | Czechpslovakia | 149 |
Denmark | 12 | Djibouti | 5 | Dominica | 31 | Dominican Republic | 3,229 |
Ecuador | 959 | Egypt | 408 | El Salvador | 9,209 | Equatorial Guinea | 1 |
Eritrea | 8 | Estonia | 29 | Ethiopia | 84 | Fiji | 38 |
Finland | 3 | France | 118 | French Guiana | 2 | French Polynesia | 6 |
Gabon | 2 | Gambia | 73 | Georgia | 81 | Germany | 183 |
Ghana | 129 | Greece | 60 | Grenada | 28 | Guadeloupe | 3 |
Guatemala | 8,344 | Guinea | 80 | Guinea-Bissau | 4 | Guyana | 222 |
Haiti | 1,058 | Honduras | 11,295 | Hong Kong | 34 | Hungary | 122 |
Iceland | 63 | India | 909 | Indonesia | 213 | Iran | 161 |
Iraq | 110 | Ireland | 63 | Israel | 350 | Italy | 115 |
Ivory Coast | 38 | Jamaica | 1,748 | Japan | 66 | Jordan | 504 |
Kampuchea | 123 | Kazakhstan | 42 | Kenya | 166 | Kuwait | 36 |
Kyrgyzstan | 7 | Laos | 217 | Latvia | 25 | Lebanon | 190 |
Liberia | 71 | Libya | 13 | Lithuania | 86 | Luxembourg | 1 |
Macedonia | 42 | Madagascar | 1 | Malawi | 20 | Malaysia | 125 |
Mali | 38 | Malta | 1 | Marshall Islands | 9 | Martinique | 1 |
Mauritania | 2 | Mauritius | 2 | Mexico | 994,720 | Micronesia | 42 |
Moldova | 10 | Mongolia | 32 | Morocco | 210 | Mozambique | 1 |
Nambia | 2 | Nepal | 12 | Netherlands | 65 | Netherlands Antilles | 13 |
New Zealand | 59 | Nicaragua | 823 | Niger | 24 | Nigeria | 333 |
North Korea | 6 | Norway | 8 | Oman | 8 | Pacific Island Trust Territories | 1 |
Pakistan | 1,444 | Palau | 7 | Palestine | 20 | Panama | 123 |
Papya New Guinea | 4 | Paraguay | 13 | Peru | 619 | Philippines | 720 |
Poland | 415 | Portugal | 140 | Puerto Rico | 1 | Qatar | 7 |
Romania | 114 | Russia | 298 | Rwanda | 3 | Saudi Arabia | 122 |
Senegal | 53 | Seychelles | 1 | Sierra Leone | 54 | Singapor | 16 |
Slovakia | 43 | Slovenia | 6 | Somalia | 84 | South Africa | 66 |
South Korea | 527 | Spain | 61 | Sri Lanka | 207 | St. Kitts-Nevis | 23 |
St. Lucia | 34 | St. Vincent - Grenadines | 55 | Stateless | 2 | Sudan | 89 |
Suriname | 7 | Sweden | 26 | Switzerland | 14 | Syria | 122 |
Taiwan | 48 | Tajikistan | 10 | Tanzania | 63 | Thailand | 149 |
Togo | 16 | Tonga | 67 | Trinidad and Tobago | 314 | Tunisia | 156 |
Turkey | 280 | Turks and Caicos Islands | 6 | Uganda | 21 | Ukraine | 156 |
United Arab Emirates | 12 | United Kingdom | 427 | Unknown | 21 | Uruguay | 78 |
U.S. Virgin Islands | 1 | Uzbekistan | 73 | Venezuela | 273 | Vietnam | 437 |
Western Sahara | 4 | Western Samoa | 29 | Yemen | 121 | Yugoslavia | 94 |
Zaire | 20 | Zambia | 19 | Zimbabwe | 44 |
The INS / Border Patrol apprehended 929,809 deportable aliens along the southwest border during FY 2002. From the above data, you can see that 1,012,429 of the total INS service wide apprehended aliens claimed to have illegally crossed the southwest border. On these two figures alone, we know that 82,620 illegal aliens slipped past the INS / Border Patrol.
The INS / Border Patrol estimates that they apprehend approximately 40% to 60% of the illegal aliens crossing into the United States, depending on who you speak with.
Independent immigration experts estimate that the INS / Border Patrol apprehends only 10% to 20% of the illegal aliens crossing into the United States.
From my personnel experience and knowledge, the independent experts estimates are more accurate.
For this presentation, I will use an apprehension ratio of 33%.
If the INS / Border Patrol has apprehended 929,809 illegal aliens along the south west border in fy 2002, then it is reasonable to assume that approximately 1,859,618 may have slipped pass the INS / Border Patrol.
This is an average of over 5,000 illegal aliens entering the United States undetected daily.
Here are some numbers to help put this into perspective:
US and Allied troops that invaded Normandy in 1944 = 250,000+
US troops that invaded Okinawa in 1945 = 550,000+
Illegal aliens that have invaded the United States in FY 2002 = 1.8 million +
On annual illegal immigration, the Center for Immigration Studies has extrapolated the latest Census data to show that Census data suggest that 700,000 to 800,000 new illegal aliens are settling each year. Now, far, far more than that enter illegally each year, but there is a lot of back and forth. The 700,000 to 800,000 represents illegals who truly settle in for at least a couple of year, and usually much, much longer.
Marine Inspector posted on 2003-11-26 23:33:34 ET Reply Trace
Requesting a source is unfair, eh?
btw, your link to Travis Bickel's info doesn't support 4freedom's outlandish statement.
We were not speaking of "certain states".
And life is easy for me, I'm not a xenophobic nut that spouts untruths to help a faulty agenda.
Tell the truth and sourcing is easy.
As much as I hate to agree with PRND21, this is not Bush's fault and immigration, either legal or illegal, has not doubled under Bush. This is a culmination of 3 decades of bad immigration policy.
The Report covers the period between 1990 and 2000 and includes both legal and illegal immigration and there is no percentage breakdown between the two.
My numbers are strictly Border Patrol apprehensions along the US / Mexico border. Those numbers are down nearly 40% since Bush took office, not because of Bush's policies, but because of 9/11. In the year after 9/11, apprehensions deceased 36%. In the following two years, apprehensions have risen by 15% and from what I'm hearing from the Border Patrol today, it's up almost 100% from last year (thanks to Bush's Guest worker / amnesty proposal).
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Urban Bloat: How Immigration Fuels Population Growth
Many of the nation's large cities are growing at an alarming rate. Immigration is the major contributor to those high growth rates-all of it in some cases-and to the many negative impacts that arise from rapidly increasing populations, such as school overcrowding, bankrupt public health care systems, the alarming number of children living in poverty, insufficient low-income housing, and deteriorating or inadequate infrastructure.
The United States experienced record levels of immigration in the 1990s. Fifteen million immigrants settled in the U.S. legally and illegally during the decade. Factor in their children and the generally higher fertility rates among immigrant groups, and this single factor accounts, conservatively, for more than half the astounding 35 million increase in U.S. population in the 1990s.
Immigration at these levels has a significant impact on a variety of pressing national issues, such as school overcrowding, bankrupt public health care systems, the alarming number of children living in poverty, and deteriorating or inadequate infrastructure. For cities and regions experiencing particularly high levels of immigration-related population growth, no serious discussion of these issues can be undertaken without reexamining immigration policy.
Immigration increased at more than six times the rate of increase for the native-born population. Nationwide, population increased by 13 percent over the 1990s. However, when the components of that increase are analyzed, it can be seen that the immigrant population1 increased 57.4 percent (from 19.8 million to 31.1 million), while the native-born population increased 9.3 percent (from 229.1 million to 250.3 million).
This division of the increase in the population identifies immigration as being directly responsible for more than one-third (35%) of the country's population increase during the 1990s. The most recent estimate by the Census Bureau indicates that, since the start of the new century, immigration is accounting for almost half (44%) of the population increase,2 without taking into account the additional impact resulting from the children born to immigrants after they arrive.
If our immigration policies remain unchanged, Census Bureau projections show that immigration will account for two-thirds of the staggering 135 million additional residents projected to be added our population during the first half of this century. In that context, discussing the future of American cities without addressing the impact of immigration is an exercise in futility.
In all large cities in the United States where the population is increasing, immigration is fueling the increase. Of metro areas with populations of more than one million in 2000 and an increase in population of over 20 percent between 1990-2000, the rate of increase of the immigrant population is generally more than three times greater than the rate of increase in non-immigrant newcomers.
Many of the cities with the largest influx of immigrants are not increasing especially rapidly in total population because there are so many native-born residents moving out of those cities. That exodus of native-born residents dampens the overall net change. In five of those metropolitan areas,3 i.e., those in which the native-born population was less in 2000 than in 1990 (see Table 1), immigration accounted for all of the metropolitan area's population increase between 1990-2000, and then some. In all of the others, immigration accounted directly for more than half of the metropolitan area's population increase.4
The problems resulting from the demographic trends in those large immigrant-settlement cities relate to the population increase itself (immigration added more than 100,000 residents in each of these cities during the 1990s) and to the changing characteristics of the population, as immigrants displace or replace native-born residents. Those localities have acute problems associated with the influx of immigrants such as school overcrowding, insufficient low-income housing, and the strains on public education from educating large numbers of non-English-speaking children.
Evidence of this problem may be seen in looking at 2000 Census data for the nation's two largest concentrations of immigrants: Los Angeles and New York City. As shown in Table 2 below, both of these metropolitan areas have elevated levels of children in families with income below the poverty level, who live in high-poverty neighborhoods, who are high school dropouts, and who have difficulty communicating in English.
Other examples of chronic immigration-related problems in these major cities include overcrowded housing, school crowding, and budgetary problems due to increasing outlays for services at the same time that tax collections stagnate in part because many of these new workers are earning subsistence wages and/or working off the books.
Los Angeles County has the highest rate of severe crowded housing in the United States, at 15 percent, and experts say that the problem is driven by mass numbers of immigrants working for subsistence wages.5 So many people living in single-family homes strains services such as trash collection, schools, and public safety.
New York City's housing supply has not kept pace with its surging population, creating high prices, overcrowding, and homelessness.6 Bronx County has the third highest rate of severely crowded housing in the nation.7 Flushing's housing shortage is so severe that there is simply no more living space; houses and apartments are being subdivided, and basements, attics, and garages are all being rented out.8 And New York's schools are bursting with over-capacity enrollments, a trend that the school chancellor says is "almost exclusively driven by immigration."9 Some classes are even being held in school ticket booths and custodial closets.10
Other cities in this list are suffering as well: Thirty-seven of Detroit's 88 suburban school districts had double-digit enrollment growth between 1992 and 2000.11 Apartments in Bergen are among the least affordable in the U.S., according to the National Low Income Housing Coalition. To afford the estimated $1,050 rent on a typical two-bedroom apartment in Bergen, a worker needs to earn an hourly wage of $20.19, almost quadruple the minimum wage of $5.15.12 In Boston, congestion costs each motorist three days and $1,255 each year.13 In Chicago, rush hour now lasts almost eight hours a day,14 and affordable housing shortages are becoming a crisis.15
Where the most dramatically increased problems of crowding, urban sprawl, and related issues arise is in cities where there is both an influx of immigrants and of native-born residents. Those two sources of population increase combined with natural change (involving the birth rate) result in population growth rates that strain the ability of city planners to manage the impact.
The Portland-Vancouver metropolitan area offers an example of the challenges in dealing with this high-impact population growth. Portland's battle against sprawl is well known. But with a 28 percent increase in population during the 1990s, Portland, once a model for limiting urban growth, has been forced to repeatedly expand its urban boundary. Growth has led to traffic congestion, longer commutes, and inflated home prices (which increased 44 percent in the 1990s16). In December 2002, Portland's regional government agreed to the largest expansion of allowable development in its history-18,600 acres-simply to accommodate population growth anticipated over the next 20 years.17 In the Portland school districts, as many as two out of three new students are immigrants.18
What is strikingly evident in these bursting cities is that the rate of increase in immigrant settlement is consistently much greater than the rate of increase from domestic migration into the metropolitan area. This pattern of immigration-led population growth may be seen in Table 3. The criteria for selecting these metropolitan areas were that they had populations of more than one million in 2000 and had an increase in population of over 20 percent between 1990-2000. All U.S. metropolitan areas that met these two criteria are included in the table.19
Even in Las Vegas, the nation's fastest growing large metropolitan area, the high rate of increase in the native-born population (131%) is outstripped by the even higher rate of increase in the foreign-born population (248%). In every other of these metropolitan areas the rate of increase of the immigrant population is more than three times greater than the rate of increase in native-born newcomers.
What symptoms accompany this immigration-inflated population growth? Las Vegas' school enrollment doubled during the 1990s. Clark County school district (part of the Las Vegas metro area) projects that, given the current trend, it will add 10,000 to 15,000 students every year.20,21 Officials say that unless Salt Lake City acts to limit sprawl and curb auto emissions, the city could soon be "obscured by a soup of pollutants."22 In the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill metro area, one in every ten students, or 3,000 students in Durham, attend class in mobile trailers, many of which are decades old and dilapidated.23 Chapel Hill expects its high schools to reach 126 percent of their capacity in the next three years.24
In mid-sized cities with population growth higher than 20 percent between 1990-2000, new immigrant residents accounted for portions ranging from one-fifth to one-third of the increase.
The impact of rapidly increasing immigrant populations is not limited to the largest metropolitan areas. The data on cities of between half a million and one million residents show a similar pattern of a rapidly growing immigrant population outstripping change in the native-born population (see Table 4). Each of the cities in this table also had population growth rates in excess of 20 percent between 1990-2000.25
Despite the fact that each of these smaller metropolitan areas was receiving an influx of native-born newcomers in addition to immigrant settlers, the new foreign-born residents nevertheless represented a significant share of the overall population increase. The share of the increase directly attributable to immigration was more than one-third in McAllen-Edinburgh-Mission (40%), Bakersfield (39%), and Fresno (37%). The share was more than one-fifth of the overall population increase in Sarasota-Bradenton (29%), Tucson (23%), and Albuquerque (22%).
In every smaller metro area that increased by more than 20 percent between 1990-2000, the rate of increase from net immigrant settlement exceeded the increase from net domestic in-migration.
The rate of population increase in the immigrant population of these cities ranged from about twice as much as the increase in the native-born population up to more than 15 times as much.
A look at similar data for cities with population size between a quarter of a million residents and half a million residents reveals the same pattern. Once again, the municipalities selected for examination are all of those that increased in size by more than 20 percent between 1990-2000 (see Table 5).26
The rate of increase from net immigrant settlement exceeded the increase from net domestic in-migration in every one of these 16 smaller metropolitan areas. The rate of population increase in the immigrant population of these cities ranged from about twice as much as the increase in the native-born population (Daytona Beach) up to more than 15 times as much (Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers metro area).
The share of the overall population increase that was directly attributable to the influx of immigrants was more than one-third in Modesto (38%), Brownsville-Harlingen (37%), and Salem (34%). The amount of change from immigration was more than one-fifth in another five of the metropolitan areas: Naples (30%), Reno (29%), Boulder-Longmont (22%), Fort Myers-Cape Coral (22%), and Fort Pierce-Port St. Lucie (21%).
The number of people coming to our country is based on a discretionary policy. The flow of legal immigrants, refugees, and even illegal entrants may be changed by law and by the actions or inaction of the government.
Economic, social, and environmental policy would benefit greatly from moderating mass immigration. Though not entirely responsible for the three most troublesome phenomena plaguing America's large cities-the growing disparity between rich and poor, collapsing social institutions, and urban sprawl and congestion-none of these issues can be adequately addressed while large numbers of new immigrants, many lacking education and skills, pour in.
The bulk of the responsibility for addressing immigration's impact on America's cities rests with the federal government. Washington's failure to establish clearly definable objectives for U.S. immigration policy, coupled with its unwillingness to enforce the rules it passes- often with great fanfare-lies at the core of the issue. But America's cities, and the people who run them, are not entirely innocent bystanders. They have shown themselves more than willing to pander to narrow economic interests and ethnic voting blocs, in an effort to reap campaign dollars and votes, while sacrificing both the immediate and long-term interests of their cities.
Once the role of immigration in causing our urban areas to be bursting at the seams is recognized, the need to pursue the following agenda is clear:
Reduce overall immigration levels. Incrementally, the federal government should reduce overall legal immigration levels to the U.S. to somewhere between a quarter and a third of current levels, while a vigorous, coordinated effort is made to deter illegal immigration.
Increase federal reimbursement for immigration-related costs. The federal government, which has ultimate responsibility for making and enforcing immigration laws, should assume the bulk of the cost burden associated with this policy, thereby relieving state and local governments of what amounts to an enormous unfunded federal mandate.
Make federal reimbursement contingent on local policies and efforts. Local governments that choose to offer costly benefits to immigrants, above and beyond those required by federal policy and common decency, must be prepared to pay those costs themselves. Local politicians, seeking to appeal to blocs of new voters, should not expect the costs to be borne by taxpayers throughout the rest of the country.
Immigration enforcement must include federal-local cooperation. Local governments cannot reasonably complain about the cost and impact of illegal immigration, while they stand on the sideline, or worse, inhibit, the enforcement of immigration laws. Any local government refusing to cooperate in enforcing laws against illegal immigration should forfeit federal reimbursement for the costs associated with illegal immigration.
The data indicate where we are and where we are headed. How we choose to react to it is up to us. The consequences of our action or inaction will determine whether America's cities will be centers of vibrant culture, economic advancement, and social harmony, or decaying cores of despair.
Sounds about right. What's really neat is when one of these truckloads gets on a high speed chase with the cops, and rolls. Then, the ambulance services, helicopters, and trauma centers get to collect, transport, and treat the survivors, and eat the entire cost. The Feds, who are charged with protecting the borders, say "Screw you, eat it, and live with it."
He does this all the time.
As I said, border crossings by illegal aliens each year have almost doubled under Bush. You yourself said that apprehensions are up 100% and that Border Patrol Agents suspect they only catch 1 in 5.
Bush's decision to order our National Guard to stand down as well as his choices to head our Dept. of Immigration and his announcement of an amnesty, disquised as a guest worker program, are directly responsible.
Bush has done nothing to secure our borders. Illegal crossings are way up.
I didn't see one damn situation that showed improvement in MI's post, PRND21.
Apprehensions went down 40% the year after 9/11, because the National Guard was on our borders. Then apprehensions rose by 15% and now they're up 100% over that!
What in the hell are you talking about?
LOL!
Maybe. I'd say the greater influence was economic.
Jobs Jobs Jobs
Sorry, but no.
Apprehensions are strictly a Border Patrol stat.
The National Guard did not assist the Border Patrol. They were at the ports of entries helping US Customs search cars and nothing more.
They have not. In his first 9 months they went up approximately 10%. In both FY 2001 and FY 2002, they dropped 25% each year. In FY 2003, they were steady. Overall, apprehensions have dropped about 40% since Bush took office. This has nothing to do with Bush or any policies, it has to do with 9/11 and fear. The fear is ebbing and you will see an increase in the next few years.
You yourself said that apprehensions are up 100% and that Border Patrol Agents suspect they only catch 1 in 5.
The BP is reporting that January's apps were up about 100% from the preceding January. The 100% increase is not an overall increase, just a comparison between Jan 04 and Jan 03. As it was, January's apprehensions were only up about 3%.
Februarys were up approximately 15% from last Februarys.
Everyone wrongly assumed that Bush would be serious about the security of our Nation's borders. That 40% reduction in apprehensions had everything to do with that false assumption.
It took everyone time to realize that Bush and Rove were merely moving the Guard around. I remember the outraged posts about it at the time.
Yes, in small groups and they were ineffective. I know several BP agents that had the displeasure of being assigned to work with the Guard.
When Bush put the Guard on border, after 9/11, they were all assigned to the ports of entry, not to the BP and they had nothing to do with the decrease in apprehensions.
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