Posted on 03/19/2004 2:35:45 PM PST by JohnHuang2
GLOBAL JIHAD
UK Muslim clerics
tied to Spain attack
Probe sees 'definite link' to Palestinian regarded as important al-Qaida figure
Posted: March 19, 2004
5:00 p.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.comCounter-terrorist police probing the massive attack in Madrid one week ago see a "definite link" to Muslim extremists in Britain, according to a senior British law enforcement official.
Detained Palestinian cleric Abu Qatada, regarded by British and Spanish authorities as a key al-Qaida figure in Europe, likely will be questioned, reported the Independent newspaper of London.
"We believe there is a London link with what happened in Madrid," said metropolitan police commissioner Sir John Stevens. "There is a definite link in what has happened."
The March 11 blasts in Madrid killed 202 and injured more than 1,500 just days before last Sunday's Spanish elections and tomorrow's first anniversary of the U.S. led war in Iraq.
The Independent quoted a "senior anti-terrorist source" who said the man suspected of organizing the attack, Jamal Zougam, 30, is believed to have traveled to the UK to acquire funding and logistical help.
Authorities believe Zougam had connections to Qatada, known also as Omar Mahmoud Abu Omar, who received asylum in Britain in 1994.
The Palestinian cleric, born in Jordan, was given a life sentence after being convicted in absentia in his home country for 1988 terrorist attacks.
British police arrested him along with eight other people in 2001 on suspicion of terrorist activities, but all were released.
The British government froze his assets after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the U.S.
Qatada has denied any connection to al-Qaida but has expressed sympathy for leader Osama bin Laden.
I have read the Koran and Hadith. Have you?
The mullahs are not distorting Islam. They are preaching it exactly as written. Islam IS totally evil. It was founded by a robber, murderer, rapist, and pedophile -- how could it be anything other than evil?
Perhaps not an authority, but it establishes a sufficient foundation to have the right to an opinion. Someone who has only part of it, or (worse) selections picked by somebody who was promoting an agenda, needs to read the whole thing in order to get what Muslims get out of it
Reading the whole thing, the Koran (what Mohammad wrote) and the Hadith (what his immediate followers wrote about what Mohammad said) gives one a foundation where one has some idea of what the Islamic books say. Having access to online Hadith and Qu'ran allows you to see for yourself if what an "authority" says about Islam is actually substantiated by the text, or if he's quoting correctly
From my copy of the Koran:
Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day ... until they pay the tribute readily, being brought lowSunnah Volume 4, Book 52, Number 53:
Surah IX:29O ye who believe! Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scriptures before you
Surah V:57Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush...
Surah IX:5And slay them wherever ye find them ... Such is the reward of disbelievers.
Surah II:191
Narrated Anas bin Malik:Sunnah Volume 4, Book 52, Number 63:
The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)."
Narrated Al-Bara:Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:A man whose face was covered with an iron mask (i.e. clad in armor) came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first? "The Prophet said, "Embrace Islam first and then fight." So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, A Little work, but a great reward. "(He did very little (after embracing Islam), but he will be rewarded in abundance)."
Narrated Abu Huraira:Volume 4, Book 52, Number 265:Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"
Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib:Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268:Allah's Apostle sent a group of the Ansar to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night and killed him while he was sleeping.
Narrated Abu Huraira:Volume 4, Book 52, Number 271:Allah's Apostle called,: "War is deceit".
Narrated Jabir:Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280:The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you)."
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:Volume 8, Book 82, Number 829:When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah."
Narrated Al-Mughira:Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:Sa'd bin Ubada said, "If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword." When the Prophet heard that he said, "Do you wonder at Sa'd's sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa'd, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I."
Narrated 'Ikrima:Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Narrated Abu Burda:Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"
Islam is to be imposed by force.
* Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me." (otherwise it will not). Vol. 4:196
Apostasy is punishable by death.
* Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Vol. 9:57
Islamic lying:
He who disbelieves in Allah after his belief in Him, (is the liar) except he who is compelled while his heart remains steadfast with the faith (has nothing worry). But who opens his breast for infidelity; on these is wrath of Allah, and for them is a great torment.
--Qur’an, Surah 16 (an‑Nahl), verse 100This verse of the Qur’an refers to the incident when 'Ammar bin Yasir (May Allah be pleased with both) had to utter some words against Islam to save himself from the Quraishite infidels.
The Qur'an clearly allows hiding one 's true faith when one is in danger of one's life. This rule is called taqiyah.
Question 1: What is the meaning of "Taqiyah"?
Answer: Its literal meaning is to safeguard; to defend; to fear; piety (because it saves one from the displeasure of Allah).Question 2: What is its significance in Islamic terminology?
Answer: In Islamic terminology it means "to save life, honour. or property (either one's own or of other believers) by hiding one's belief or religion".I imagine the rule would apply in a lesser way to a Muslim who hides his jihad sympathies.
http://www.maaref-foundation.com/english/shia_education/shia/12.htm
APPENDIX I TAQIYAH Or DISSIMULATION
`Allamah Tabataba'iOne of the most misunderstood aspects of Shi'ism is the practice of dissimulation or taqiyah. With the. wider meaning of taqiyah. "to avoid or shun any kind of danger," we are not concerned here. Rather, our aim is to discuss that kind of taqiyah in which a man hides his religion or certain of his religious practices in situations that would cause definite or probable danger as a result of the actions of those who are opposed to his religion or particular religious practices.Among followers of the different schools of Islam, Shi'ites are well known for their practice of taqiyah. In case of danger they dissimulate their religion and hide their particular religious and ritual practices from their opponents.
The sources upon which the Shi'ites base themselves in this question include the following verse of the Holy Quran: "Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them [tattaqu minhum. from the same root as taqiyah], taking (as it were) security [tuqatan. again from the same root as taqiyah]. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying" (III, 28). As is clear from this sacred verse, God, the,Most Exalted, forbids with the utmost emphasis wilayah (meaning in this case friend- ship and amity to the extent that it affects one's life) with un- believers and orders man to be wary and have fear in such a situation.
In another place He says, "Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief-save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with Faith-but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom" (Quran, XVI, 106). As mentioned in both Sunni and Shi'ite sources this verse was revealed concerning `Ammar ibn Yasir. After the migration (hijrah) of the Prophet the infidels of Mecca imprisoned some of the Muslims of that city and tortured them, forcing them to leave Islam and to return to their former religion of idolatry. Included in this group who were tortured were Ammar and his father and mother. Ammar's parents refused to turn away from Islam and died under torture. But Ammar. in order to escape torture and death, outwardly left Islam and accepted idol worship, thereby escaping from danger. Having become free, he left Mecca secretly for Medina. In Medina he went before the Holy Prophet-upon whom be blessings and peace--and in a state of penitence and distress concerning what he had done asked the Prophet if by acting as he did he had fallen outside the sacred precinct of religion. The Prophet said that his duty was what he had accomplished. The above verse was then revealed.
The two verses cited above were revealed concerning particular cases but their meaning is such that they embrace all situations in which the outward expression of doctrinal belief and religious practice might bring about a dangerous situation. Besides these verses, there exist many traditions from the members of the Household of the Prophet ordering taqiyah when there is fear of danger.
Some have criticized Shi'ism by saying that to employ the practice of taqiyah in religion is opposed to the virtues of courage and bravery. The least amount of thought about this accusation will bring to light its invalidity, for taqiyah must be practiced in a situation where man faces a danger which he cannot resist and against which he cannot fight. Resistance to such a danger and failure to practice taqiyah in such circumstances shows rashness and foolhardiness. not courage and bravery. The qualities of courage and bravery can be applied only when there is at least the possibility of success in man's efforts. But before a definite or probable danger against which there is no possibility of victory throwing oneself before a cannon that is being fired or lying down on the tracks before an onrushing train-any action of this kind is nothing but a form of madness contrary to logic and common sense. Therefore, we can summarize by saying that taqiyah must be practiced only when there is a definite danger which cannot be avoided and against which there is no hope of a successful strug gle and victory.
The exact extent of danger which would make permissible the practice of taqiyah has been debated among different mujtahids of Shi'ism. In our view, the practice of taqiyah is permitted if there is definite danger facing one's own life or the life of one's family, or the possibility of the loss of the honor and virtue of one's wife or of other female members of the family,or the danger of the loss of one's material belongings to such an extent as to cause complete destitution and prevent a man from being able to continue to support himself and his family. In any case, prudence and the avoidance of definite or probable danger which cannot be averted is a general law of logic accepted by all people and applied by men in all the different phases of their lives. From out of the Sunnah: Volume 8, Book 82, Number 829: Narrated Al-Mughira: Sa'd bin Ubada said, "If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword." When the Prophet heard that he said, "Do you wonder at Sa'd's sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa'd, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I."
I've found it useful on FR (and other places), to maintain a file with what I have on various subjects, so I can just copy/paste as needed.
Before 9/11, I read the Qu'ran, mainly for the heck of it, and after 9/11 I decided to make a study of Islam, having some time on my hands during the post-9/11 recession 8-(
I'm having a hard time shifting direction on this now though. Am I to take it that all Muslim's think it's okay to kill us even though most of them wouldn't act on it themselves?
I make a distinction between Islam(the religion/ideology) and Muslims(human beings who call themselves Muslims). There are Muslims who are good people, and who are honest and trustworthy and kind. Then again, there are Jews who have no problem working on the Sabbath, and having a bacon cheeseburger for lunch. My point being that Muslims who act kindly and honestly toward non-Muslims are behaving that way in spite of Islamic teachings, not because of it. The PEOPLE can be salvaged, the religion itself being beyond redemption
One danger regarding Muslims, is that it is central to Islam that a Muslim MAY NOT take the side of an infidel against a fellow Muslim, or betray a fellow Muslim to infidel police. Thus, a Muslim who knows that Muslim terrorists are plotting to bomb a bus, train, or plane full of infidel men, women, and children can be opposed to it personally, may argue against it, may be upset about it, but MAY NOT report the terrorists to police and remain a Muslim in good standing
One commonality between Islam, National Socialism (Nazi) ideology, and Communist ideology is the idea that the individual is nothing, and the Cause is everything, and any atrocity is justified if it advances the Cause. The latter two ideologies were the cause of between 100 million and 200 million innocent civilian deaths in the 20th Century, depending on whose estimates you take. Islam looks like it will be the ideology of conflict for the 21st Century
One additional point: taqiyah also can be taken to authorise concealing the true nature of Islam from infidels, making them think it is the "Religion of Peace", in the confident assumption that most infidels will take the pronouncement of Islamic "authorities" at face value, and not check the facts for themselves. If people DO check facts for themselves, a fallback position is "No translation of the Qu'ran can be really accurate -- only those who read it in the original Arabic can understand it" (dancing around why all the translations say basicly the same thing, and refusing to say exactly what's wrong with the translation)
Just like under Communist ideology, "truth" and "right" are defined as "whatever advances the Cause".
You see this in many places around the world. In any place where Muslims are a tiny minority (less than 10%), they argue "tolerance" and "religious freedom", and view any attempt to control violent Islam as "oppression"
The next stage seems to go from when they're around 10% of the population to 50% of the population, and have achieved majority status in certain localities. Then they start demanding things, and threaten to riot if anybody "disrespects" Islam. An example of this is Nigeria, which is 50% Muslim.
At the stage where they have achieved majority status, the gloves come off. In Sudan, which is 70% Muslim, the northern Muslims attack and enslave the southern Christians. In any land where Muslims are the political majority, Sharia (Islamic) law is made the law of the land, non-Muslims lose their civil rights, and life becomes hard for anybody not a Muslim.
So..what do you think is ahead? A thousand years of Islamic terrorism? Or will the infidel world get fed up.. rise up.. and squash them?
The main thing propping up radical Islam is Saudi Arabian oil money. The Saudis finance madrassas around the world. A madrassa is an Islamic religious school where the only subject students are taught is radical Islam. Since since madrassa students get free room and board, paid by Saudi oil money, getting into one is quite popular in poor countries
The main defect of Islam is that it is an unproductive culture. Actual work and hustle are not esteemed in Islam. Look at the economies of any Muslim nation that is not subsidized by oil deposits -- very unimpressive.
Islam's "Golden Age" occurred during it's period of expansion, 8th Century to 14th Century. As long as there was a steady stream of conquests providing an inflow of loot and slaves who knew how to run a civilization, Islam prospered. When Islam's expansion started getting rolled back in Western Europe (with the Spanish expulsion of the Muslims from Spain in the 15th Century) and the halt of Islamic expansion in Eastern Europe (most decisively at the Battle of Vienna in 1683, Islamic society went into decline.
The decline was accelerated in the 18th and 19th Century when the US Navy started getting active in fighting Muslim pirates in the Mediterranean (Piracy and slave-raiding, including raiding Europe for slaves, were major sources of income to Islam), Islam pretty much collapsed until oil was discovered in the Middle East.
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