Did Kerry Quit VVAW Before or After the Assassination Vote?

Oregon Magazine ^ | March 16, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

[WaterDragon]

[OMED: March 15, 2004 -- This piece was originally written for the New York Sun, and the author sent it to us at that time. We were planning to make it the top item in the next issue, but the story seems to be running into resistance from the mainstream media. Even so, while we've been watching it has appeared in a few places, and Lipscomb is starting to get booked on some cable shows. But, it is coming out hard.

The networks as of mid-March haven't touched the story, except for an odd segment on NBC which without explaining why they ran it pointed out that during this period, President Nixon moved to do some damage to Kerry. From the standpoint of Oregon Magzine, that NBC segment, since it didn't have a valid news hook, was an indication that the very liberal network's news bosses are aware of Lipscomb's work as shown below, and want to estabish a foundation for future coverage (if they are forced into it) which ties those making the charges to a discredited leader.

That NBC segment was, in other words, a message to the American liberal press concerning the tack to take in the defense of John Kerry. (Attack the attackers. It's a classic Bill Clinton tactic.) Beyond that, and just looking at what you are about to read, our question is, did the future senator and presidential candidate, John Kerry, know about this, and when did he know it? If the Libscomb article below is correct, and Kerry was at the meeting, or knew what had happened there, did he report this to the FBI?

If Lipscomb is right, and Kerry did not report it to the FBI, then he was part of a coverup of a conspiracy to assassinate American leaders. The political murders did not have to happen for Kerry to be culpable in this case. Knowledge of the discussion and failure to report are enough to put him in hot water right up to and including his neck.]

Part One (Originally published in the NY Sun around March 11th)

The anti-war group that John Kerry was the principal spokesman for debated and voted on a plot to assassinate politicians who supported the Vietnam War.

Mr. Kerry denies being present at the November 12-15, 1971, meeting in Kansas City of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and says he quit the group before the meeting.

But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then orally resigned from the organization.

Mr. Barnes was present as part of the Kansas City host chapter for the 1971 meeting and recounted the incident in a phone interview with The New York Sun this week.

In addition to Mr. Barnes’s recollection placing Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, another Vietnam veteran who attended the meeting, Terry Du-Bose, said that Mr. Kerry was there.

There are at least two other independent corroborations that the antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War, of which Mr. Kerry was the most prominent national spokesman, considered assassinating American political leaders who favored the war.....(Snip)

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[cripplecreek]

It doesn't matter if he left before during or after this vote. It's pretty damming that he was EVER part of a group that would seriously consider assasination as a means of protest.

[em2vn]

Murder isn't a means of protest. Murder in the case mentioned was to destablize the government, however, murder isn't protest, it is murder.

[RS]

I don't think there is any proof that he has EVER quit...
( unless you want to take his word for it )

[ravingnutter]

There is a third witness too...

John Musgrave said he attended the fall 1971 meeting in Kansas City, his first Vietnam Veterans Against the War session as Kansas state coordinator. He said he remembered Kerry attending as well.

'71 anti-war session: Was Kerry in KC?

And for those that might have missed it...

Camil, never prosecuted for the plot, plans to accept an offer by the Florida Kerry organization to become active in the presidential campaign, according to the report.

Kerry camp hiring 'assassin'? (Man who plotted murder of congressmen offered job)

[Zon]

The networks as of mid-March haven't touched the story, except for an odd segment on NBC which without explaining why they ran it pointed out that during this period, President Nixon moved to do some damage to Kerry. From the standpoint of Oregon Magzine, that NBC segment, since it didn't have a valid news hook, was an indication that the very liberal network's news bosses are aware of Lipscomb's work as shown below, and want to estabish a foundation for future coverage (if they are forced into it) which ties those making the charges to a discredited leader.

I watched that segment on NBC and readily came to the same conclusion.

It occurred to me that there's a steady increase of people watching and reading news stories with two thoughts in mind. One, what is the article/report saying; two, why/what's the news organizations motive for telling me this? That was especially clear in the NBC segment because it didn't have a hook.

[WaterDragon]

There is a third witness too

You are correct. This Lipscomb article appeared first at The Sun, but in this one for Oregon Magazine, he also identifies the Third Witness.

[KJacob]

Witness do not matter. It was such a long time ago that anyone's memory is going to be a little shakey. I mean we are not talking about Bush's guard service.

[cyncooper]

From the standpoint of Oregon Magzine, that NBC segment, since it didn't have a valid news hook, was an indication that the very liberal network's news bosses are aware of Lipscomb's work as shown below, and want to estabish a foundation for future coverage (if they are forced into it) which ties those making the charges to a discredited leader.

That's exactly what I said yesterday when I described the Brian Williams piece on NBC.

But, it came out a lot more fair than I anticipated and is given credit here. Even Rush lamented just a wee bit that the angle seemed to be that Nixon and staff perceived Kerry's political potential early on. However, what stood out more to me (admittedly a biased viewer--but it IS brought up and clearly so) was that Nixon and staff perceived Kerry as a PHONY and opportunist early on.

So, with that in mind, I am pleased NBC provided some context for future stories.

[Brilliant]

Exactly. Of course, it'd be a whole lot worse if he left after.

[GailA]

ping

[WaterDragon]

BTTT! Ping!

[GailA]

btt

[GailA]

Here's some links I dug up on scott camil. A couple of them are forums that might be interesting to extend a FReeper invite to.

http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/index.php?showtopic=25425

http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/fall01%5CKahl/ohcamil.html

http://www.cwluherstory.com/CWLUArchive/janefonda.html

http://www.afn.org/~iguana/archives/1997_04/19970408.html

http://www.afn.org/~iguana/archives/1997_04/19970408.html

http://www.terpsboy.com/blogarchives/000849.html

[CyberAnt]

I didn't read all the article, but I have read here on FR that Kerry has offered Barnes a position within his campaign. That is a very scary proposition.

[WaterDragon]

Thanks for those links, GailA!

[blackie]

John F'n Kerry is a lying traitor!

We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists, democrats and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~

[Killborn]

In Third World countries, killers and thugs are routinely put into important political offices.

Unfortunately with the likes of Ted, Clinton, VVAW, etc, that will be one less thing separating America from a third world nation.

Thank you WD for a timely and disturbing ping.

[WaterDragon]

Latest count, I think, is seven people have stated that Kerry was at the meeting where assassination was debated.

Do you think the Democrats running Kerry indicates they've given up on 2004, and are hoping Hillary will look good in 2008 after we get a good look at him?

[Killborn]

Interesting hypothesis. They want to get the Repubs out of power any means necessary. If it becomes apparent that old horse face fails, I think the dems will pull out and wait for 2008.