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Saul Alinsky and DNC Corruption
skynews.com ^ | 1.7.03 | Diane Alden

Posted on 03/14/2004 4:06:35 PM PST by hope

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Old article, but this is what we are dealing with now.
1 posted on 03/14/2004 4:06:37 PM PST by hope
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To: hope
Yes, this is why journalists like Ann Coulter are so valuable: She has mastered the art of satire and ridicule, and turned it back on its chief purveyors. She even takes occassional jabs at the weak spots in the conservative position, pointing to ways of eliminating theme.

A lot more people like her are needed. Where will they come from?
2 posted on 03/14/2004 4:31:00 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
If they don't come, we will look like Spain come November...
3 posted on 03/14/2004 4:32:32 PM PST by hope (John Kerry : "they are the most corrupt lying bunch of muther's" re: his campaign writers)
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To: hope
The pubbies never drop the hammer when they get a clear shot.
4 posted on 03/14/2004 4:37:18 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (I always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.)
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To: hope
When you adopt the enemy's tactics, you become the enemy.

Alinsky was wrong asserting that we cannot follow our own rules. When Jesus told the woman, "Go and sin no more," he was not giving her an impossible task, but one open to any moral-minded adult.

Alinsky missed the power of moral example because he taught immoral methods. Yet advocacy of true moral principles, and exemplifying them by doing the right thing at whatever personal cost, shine out to the human soul in a way that the enemy's threats, guilt-mongering and intimidation never will.

Those who must cheat to win political points succeed mostly in blotting out their souls. In the long run, they cannot even enjoy their spoils.

In contrast, those who keep the faith and act with good conscience are the winners despite any political outcome whatsoever. But the paradox is, they will change even the darkest politics for the better, by the force of their moral example.

5 posted on 03/14/2004 4:39:21 PM PST by T'wit (I'll believe Global Warming when climatologists use computer modeling to win Power Ball a few times)
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To: T'wit
Excellent and truthful post!
6 posted on 03/14/2004 4:41:55 PM PST by hope (John Kerry : "they are the most corrupt lying bunch of muther's" re: his campaign writers)
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To: hope
Thank you for posting it. It is a good thing to always remember what we are facing.
7 posted on 03/14/2004 4:49:26 PM PST by Constitutional_Republican
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To: hope
From the article:

There were no Republican lawyers or authorities around to inform election officials that it was against the law for the Democrats to be running their campaign from a polling place.

Excuse me but shouldn't the election 'officials' know that it was against the law without Republican lawyers having to tell them. It sounds to me like they were either deliberately complicit in the illegal activities or just plain incompetent at doing their jobs.

8 posted on 03/14/2004 4:54:32 PM PST by Bob
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To: hope
Thank you!
9 posted on 03/14/2004 4:56:07 PM PST by T'wit (I'll believe Global Warming when climatologists use computer modeling to win Power Ball a few times)
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To: hope
Good article and true too... the only question..
What does it take to really piss a republican off ?..
Evidently its quite impossible.. When you are drugged with an industrial strengh optimism.. Kind of like Alice in her Wonderland clinging to ToTo as a piece of the past.. republicans are..
10 posted on 03/14/2004 5:12:08 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: hope
This is an excellent posting. FReepers should get a copy of Saul Linsky's "Rules for Radicals." He has a diabolical list of advice for activists. One is to get involved in the most local of political activities, such as Neighborhood Watch Associations, or the PTA at school, present yourself as one of the concerned about the Left's activities, voice the same concerns but gradually ask 'innocent' questions, express 'perplexity', and gradually nudge people's opinions in the directions you want.

It's a clever book, utterly contemptuous of ordinary Americans. Every conservative needs to read it, study it, learn to recognize what's going on around us.
11 posted on 03/14/2004 6:18:45 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: hope
bookmark bump
12 posted on 03/14/2004 6:31:22 PM PST by Bernard Marx (In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
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To: hope
Thank you for posting this.- b.
13 posted on 03/14/2004 6:43:50 PM PST by Barset
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To: hope
A Diane Alden bump!
14 posted on 03/14/2004 7:25:22 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget / Olvides Nunca)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, James Lileks, Many Freepers are all good at ridicule and satire
15 posted on 03/14/2004 7:59:57 PM PST by Homer1
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To: T'wit; hope
But the paradox is, they will change even the darkest politics for the better, by the force of their moral example.

I agree in principle. But I see nothing wrong with eliminating terminal naivete about the enemy's tactics as an operating philosophy. Conservatives allow themselves to be sucker-punched, sandbagged, kneed in the groin, rolled, sapped and brass-knuckled over and over again. They never see it coming! Why do they never have a back-up plan? Why can't they ever see more than a move or two ahead in the political chess game? Why don't they comprehend that the enemy plays by Lucifer's rules? They don't have to adopt the same corrupt rules to win but they have to play the real game.

Why am I, a citizen with an average I.Q., seemingly able to see Democrat tactics so clearly while Republican strategists set themselves up for troubles over and over and over? Whenever Lucy begs Republican Charley Browns to have another kick at the football they always naively oblige -- then wonder where it went at the last moment. The name Orrin Hatch comes immediately to mind but there are plenty of others.

There are people who don't learn from experience, and that's where the Stupid Party gets its name. Maybe we could start by sending copies of Alinsky's books to every member of the Stupid Party in the Congress and Senate.

16 posted on 03/14/2004 8:08:05 PM PST by Bernard Marx (In theory there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice there is.)
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To: hope
You should all read "Rules for Radicals" and you will recognize each Dem strategy as it is brought into play.

There is a chapter in the book on "How to steal a Close Election" - It is the EXACT playbook used in Florida, read it and you will see for yourself.
17 posted on 03/14/2004 9:33:52 PM PST by Wil H
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To: Wil H
Alinsky and the Lessons He Taught Bill and Hillary

News/Current Events Opinion (Published)
Keywords: CLINTON ALINSKY
Author: Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky Courtesy the Wanderer
Posted on 03/23/2000 16:22:25 PST by Slyfox

Saul Alinsky wrote two books outlining his organizational principles and strategies: Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971).

Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky: "Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer."

In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: "Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution." He builds on the tactical principles of Machiavelli: "The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away."

Rules for Radicals is concerned with the acquisition of power: "my aim here is to suggest how to organize for power: how to get it and how ot use it." This is not to be done with assistance to the poor, nor even by organizing the poor to demand assistance: "...[E]ven if all the low-income parts of our population were organized ... it would not be powerful enough to get significant, basic, needed changes."

Alinsky advises the organizer to target the middle class, rather than the poor: "Organization for action will now and in the decade ahead center upon America's white middle class. That is where the power is."

Alinsky is interested in the middle class solely for its usefulness: "Our rebels have contemptuously rejected the values and the way of life of the middle class. They have stigmatized it as materialistic, decadent, bourgeois, degenerate, imperialistic, war-mongering, brutalized and corrupt. They are right; but we must begin from where we are if we are to build power for change, and the power and the people are in the middle class majority."

To accomplish this, Alinsky writes that the organizer must "begin to dissect and examine that way of life [the middle class lifestyle] ... He will know that 'square' is no longer to be dismissed as such -- instead his own approach must be 'square' enough to get the action started."

Rules for Radicals defends belief that the end justifies the means: "to say that corrupt the ends," writes Alinsky, "is to believe in the immaculate conception of ends and principles ... the practical revolutionary will understand ... [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one's individual conscience and the good of mankind."

Altogether, Alinsky provides eleven rules of the ethics of means and ends. They are morally relativistic:

"The practical revolutionary will understand Goethe's 'conscience is the virtue of observers and not of agents of action'; in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one's individual conscience and the good of mankind."

"The second rule of the ethics of the means and ends is that the judgment of the ethics of means is dependent on the political position of those sitting in judgment." Alinsky elaborates his meaning on this point, saying that if you were a member of the underground Resistance, "... then you adopted the means of assassination, terror, property destruction, the bombing of tunnels and trains, kidnapping, and the willingness to sacrifice innocent hostages to the end of defeating the Nazi's. Those who opposed the Nazi's conquerors regarded the Resistance as a secret army of selfless, patriotic idealists ...." Rules for Radicals is therefore concerned with how to win. "...[I]n such a conflict, neither protagonist is concerned with any value except victory."

"The third rule of the ethics of means and ends is that in war the ends justifies almost any means."

"There can be no such thing as a successful traitor, for if one succeeds, he becomes a founding father."

Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): "All effective action requires the passport of morality."

The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends states "that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments ... Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means."

Rules for Radicals provides the organizer with a tactical style for community organization that assumes an adversarial relationship between groups of people in which one either dominates or is dominated.

"The first rule of power tactics is: power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."

"Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat."

"Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."

"The threat is generally more terrifying than the thing itself."

"In a fight almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt."

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

One of the criteria for picking the target is the target's vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract."

"The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength."

Saul Alinsky urged the active and deliberate "conscious-raising" of people through the technique of "popular education." Popular education is a method by which an organizer leads people to a class-based interpretation of their grievances, and to accept the organizer's systemic solutions to address those grievances. "Through the People's Organization these groups [of citizens] discover that what they considered primarily their individual problem is also the problem of others, and furthermore the only hope for solving an issue of titanic proportions is by pooling all their efforts and strengths. That appreciation and conclusion is an educational process."

Rules for Radicals stresses organizational power-collecting: "The ego of the organizer is stronger and more monumental than the ego of the leader. The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which a man can reach -- to create, to be a 'great creator', to play God." Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific "organizer" and wanted her to become his protege. She declined. She had bigger fish to fry. She learned her lessons well. She and Bill have employed Alinsky's tactics probably better than anyone else.

18 posted on 03/14/2004 10:01:05 PM PST by hope (John Kerry : "they are the most corrupt, lying bunch of muther's" re: his campaign writers)
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To: hope
This is fantastic! I knew about the Alinsky link with the Clinton's, especially Hillary, but the problem here is that the media also apply his rules. Blaming republicans for not reacting is not quite fair when you consider that they can't get the message out there when the media covers up for the scheming lawbreaking socialists! (True, many times the Pubbies do just roll over, but that isn't the whole story is my point!)

For instance, the attempted coup of the election was done right before our eyes on national television. We all saw it, we all knew that Al Gore was trying to steal this election. The media pretended this was legitimate, and they and they alone were the reason he got away with this. Had Bush done this, they would have crucified him and he would have had to give up. Now they all just repeat the lie that the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush, not that it ruled what Gore was attempting to do unconstitutional!

Still, this is a keeper, and I am so glad you posted this. We are up against evil, and we have to do all we can this election cycle to stop them from hijacking the election again, because believe me, they are already planning their illegal tactics! We must STOP them!!

This is too long, but I am so passionate on this subject, because I see the potential for these radicals to take over this country, and I hope we are all prepared for the fight of our lives!
19 posted on 03/14/2004 10:22:31 PM PST by ladyinred (democrats have blood on their hands!)
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To: hope
Alinsky advises the organizer to target the middle class, rather than the poor: "Organization for action will now and in the decade ahead center upon America's white middle class. That is where the power is."

.Ah yes, the infamous "Tax cuts for the middle class" mantra of the "Democrats."

20 posted on 03/14/2004 10:29:26 PM PST by ladyinred (democrats have blood on their hands!)
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