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Rumsfeld, FBI Official Kept 9-11 Items
Associated Press ^ | March 12, 2004 | JOHN SOLOMON

Posted on 03/12/2004 5:46:51 PM PST by RWR8189

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department investigation that criticized FBI agents for taking souvenirs from the World Trade Center site also found that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and a high-ranking FBI official kept items from the Sept. 11 attack scenes.

The final investigatory report said the Justice Department inspector general confirmed Rumsfeld "has a piece of the airplane that flew into the Pentagon." The Associated Press obtained a copy of the report Friday.

Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said Friday night that Rumsfeld has a shard of metal from the jetliner that struck the Pentagon on a table in his office and shows it to people as a reminder of the tragedy Pentagon workers shared on Sept. 11, 2001.

"He doesn't consider it his own," Di Rita said, adding the piece is on display for the Pentagon. "We are mindful of the fact that if somebody has an evidentiary requirement to have this shard of metal, we will provide it to them."

The Justice Department investigation also collected testimony that Pasquale D'Amuro, FBI Director Robert Mueller's executive assistant director for terrorism until last summer, asked a supervisory agent to "obtain a half dozen items from the WTC debris so the items could be given to dignitaries."

Six items - none needed as evidence - were gathered and sent to D'Amuro, the report said.

D'Amuro, now the head of the FBI's New York office, told investigators that "he asked for a piece of the building as a memento" and that he was aware that agents had taken such items from other terrorist crime scenes over the years.

He said he got a piece of the building in June 2003 but denied asking for items for dignitaries. D'Amuro left the following month from FBI headquarters as Mueller's top terrorism official to become an assistant director in charge of the New York office.

Joe Valiquette, a spokesman for the New York FBI office, declined to comment Friday.

The report also divulged that FBI agents' removal of items like a Tiffany crystal globe from the World Trade Center rubble gutted a criminal case the bureau was building against a Minnesota contractor that had taken a fire truck door from the same rubble.

Prosecutors told the FBI they "might not indict the crime regarding the fire truck door due to government misconduct involving the Tiffany globe," the report said.

Surviving family members were surprised by the latest news.

"Unbelievable," said William Doyle, whose son was killed in the World Trade Center.

"Everybody has things that they probably should not have from the World Trade Center site," added Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son died in the towers. "I'm sure there's probably all kinds of people that have all kinds of artifacts."

The Justice Department's report has not been officially released, but heavily deleted versions of the report began circulating around Washington last month showing 13 FBI agents had taken rubble, debris and items such as flags and a Tiffany crystal globe paperweight.

The bureau announced it was banning agents from taking items from crimes scenes, but no agents were being charged with crimes because the bureau did not have such a policy during the Sept. 11 investigation.

The full report obtained by the AP divulges some senior FBI managers were among those cited for having authorized or asked for mementos from the World Trade Center site.

In addition to D'Amuro, the report stated the now-retired head of the New York FBI office, Barry Mawn, asked and received an American flag and a piece of marble from the debris before his retirement.

The report also states the special agent in charge of the FBI's office in Knoxville, Tenn., Joe Clark, contacted FBI officials in New York requesting a piece of debris to display in an exhibit dealing with hate crimes. A 100-pound piece of steel was sent to Clark, the report said.

The report stated FBI agents who worked in New York repeatedly expressed their disgust that visiting agents and supervisors would seek souvenirs from the terrorist attacks.

Many interviewed regarded the debris as sacred, the reported stated, "and were disgusted by the fact that anyone would want to take items, including pieces of the building which were contaminated with blood and human body parts."

The report discloses that among the items taken, agents had cut World Trade Center security patches from the sleeves of shirt pieces found in the rubble.

One New York agent who worked on the evidence recovery team "stated it was a ghoulish prospect that anyone would want things from a crime scene where people have died," the report said.

Two senior FBI lawyers from New York told the investigators they were never consulted by FBI managers about the propriety of taking items, and they would have objected.

The FBI New York office's ethics officer, Steven Carolotto, "emphatically stated FBI agents could not profit from working any location" and the "calamity of the event was inconsistent with the taking of items for personal use."

Investigators also stated that they found evidence that the agent who ran the recovery effort at the landfill, Richard Marx of Philadelphia, gave "inconsistent" answers during the investigation after several colleagues claimed he had given them permission to take items.

Last summer, Marx was subjected to a lie detector test in which he said he did not recall giving items to Mawn, did not recall giving permission for evidence recovery agents to take items and insisted he was completely true when he gave an affidavit to the investigation.

"The results of the examination indicated that Marx was deceptive in his responses to all three questions," the Justice report said. FBI officials declined to comment about Marx's conduct.


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KEYWORDS: 911; rumsfeld; souvenir
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1 posted on 03/12/2004 5:46:56 PM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
Dupe - see the troll post here
2 posted on 03/12/2004 5:48:49 PM PST by chance33_98 (Check out profile page for banners, if you need one freepmail me and I will make one for you)
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To: RWR8189
"He doesn't consider it his own," Di Rita said, adding the piece is on display for the Pentagon. "We are mindful of the fact that if somebody has an evidentiary requirement to have this shard of metal, we will provide it to them."

Non story

3 posted on 03/12/2004 5:48:50 PM PST by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: RWR8189
"Unbelievable," said William Doyle, whose son was killed in the World Trade Center, and who is paid by the Kerry campaign.
4 posted on 03/12/2004 5:50:13 PM PST by thoughtomator (When Bush said, "Islam is a religion of peace", it was an order, not a description)
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To: RWR8189
Sadly, Drudge has it as HIS headline right now. What is wrong with him?
5 posted on 03/12/2004 5:50:42 PM PST by Rightone
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To: RWR8189
I have a piece of the Berlin Wall on my desk as a souvenir. Does that make me evil?

-PJ

6 posted on 03/12/2004 5:54:05 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: RWR8189
So what. Rumsfeld was only a couple of hundred yards from being a victim on 9-11.
7 posted on 03/12/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: RWR8189
Rumsfeld, as Secretary of Defense, is alleged to have kept a chunk of the jet that crashed into the Pentagon (i.e. the HQ of the DOD). OK, aside from ethical questions, this is an intriguing accusation because there are (many) conspiracy theorists on the internet claiming that NO plane hit the Pentagon, it was all done with explosives planted inside the building.

I know that theorists are wrong, wrong, wrong because I know someone who actually saw the plane dive into the Pentagon. I had entertained the vague thought that somehow the plane was trying to land or crashland into the open spaces of Arlington National Cemetery, just beyond the Pentagon, but my eyewitness is Very Emphatic that the plane headed absolutely straight for the midpoint of one of the walls of the Pentagon and even turned up the thrusters in the last few moments to get even more impact.

8 posted on 03/12/2004 5:58:18 PM PST by DonQ
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To: RWR8189
So, where's the news? I read the article, but I can't find any news.
9 posted on 03/12/2004 5:59:30 PM PST by wimpycat (¡Santiago y Cierra España!)
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To: RWR8189
I met one of the FBI agents that was involved in the Fresh Kills operation. What he and others did in collecting and cataloging the WTC evidence included some very horrific things. They worked long and hard hours in pretty bad conditions. They did and saw things that they will never forget.

I heard this fellow speak about what they did at Fresh Kills. The mechanics of organizing and then managing the biggest collection of evidence from the largest crime scene in history. The grisly things they found, the personal things they found that people lost. Some items like watches that worked perfectly, wedding rings, photos, etc. How some of them could not stop working trying to put the pieces back together. How they wanted to find anything they could for the families. Any little piece of something they could give to a loved one.

At the end of his talk he pulled out a metal washer from his pocket. It didn't look like much. But it had been part of the WTC. A washer a bolt had been used with. It's hard to explain the way he looked at that small piece of metal. He passed it around the room and we all touched it. The room was almost church like as this happened. Silent. People looked grim. They looked sad. They remembered that day. Where they were. What had happened. How it happened and who made it happen.

I don't care if that man has that little piece of the WTC in his pocket. It's not news. It's human nature. The nature of a decent man.

10 posted on 03/12/2004 6:58:56 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: isthisnickcool
A beam from the World Trade Center is now a part of a church here in Albuquerque
11 posted on 03/12/2004 7:03:10 PM PST by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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Soothing Suffering With Steel; Remnants of New York's twin towers are reborn as monuments across the U.S.
By Times Staff Writer.

Source: The Los Angeles Times, April 2, 2003
The Nation; COLUMN ONE; Soothing Suffering With Steel; Remnants of New York's twin towers are reborn as monuments across the U.S.

The Los Angeles Times; Los Angeles, Calif.; Apr. 2, 2003; Cara Mia DiMassa;

(Copyright The Times Mirror Company; Los Angeles Times 2003. All rights reserved.)

They say there is solace in the steel.

Nineteen months after the attacks on the World Trade Center, Americans have found comfort in the mangled carcass of the twin towers. Steel remnants, bearing the wounds of the tragedy, have become cultural touchstones: the symbols of unified grief and the instruments for collective healing.

"It speaks to your soul," Mark Ross said of the I-beam -- creased down the middle and puckered along one edge -- that he worked for six months to bring to Martinet, Calif.

Though New Yorkers have publicly, sometimes acrimoniously, debated how to build memorials to 911 l, people in communities from Fawnskin, Calif., to Franklin, N.J., quietly have been getting to work. Across the nation, they have incorporated World Trade Center steel into more than 250 tributes to the dead.

Girders carefully stacked like Lincoln Logs have become the centerpieces of municipal gardens. Church bell towers display an incongruous mix of battered metal and smooth stone. Civic reflecting pools shimmer with wavy images of cold, hard steel.

"Sometimes it takes a physical reminder to convey the spiritual feeling you have for an incident," said Ross, vice mayor of Martinet, a city of 36,000. "You just need something physical, something more than a plaque."

For some, the scarred steel shards are like the bones of saints, carefully preserved in gold and silver reliquaries: objects of worship that speak of pain and sacrifice. For others, the metal is a symbol of the bodies that will never be recovered, a rare artifact from a day when America was united in horror and mourning.

"There is this need, this compulsion, to share in the pain and sorrow of New York," said Emory University religion professor Gary Laderman, an expert on how Americans relate to death. "But there's something even wider going on, something that has to do with literally finding ways to bind the social body together, to bind the national community together."

The pieces of steel, he said, "become touchstones for that."

Builders of monuments to the terrorism victims -- many of whom lack any personal connection to the tragedy -- say they feel a deep sense of patriotism inherent in their work. It is not necessarily an endorsement of the war in Iraq, or even a call to arms for those enforcing homeland security -- although both those views have been expressed. Rather, it is a tribute to the freedoms that so many think were attacked that day.

At the Counterterrorism Training Center in Corinth, Texas, Ron Reid underscored this point as he described the "simple, understated" monument he was building. The 2-foot structural beam, torn almost in two, will sit on a pedestal near the entrance to the private center, which trains law enforcement officers to respond to terrorist attacks.

"Anyone who comes in to training will have to walk past it. I want them to know why they are here."

Not long after the terrorist attacks, a steady stream of letters, e-mails and faxes began arriving at New York's Office of Emergency Management. It was almost too much to handle, said Francis E. McCarton, a deputy commissioner. Sent by cities, churches and civic groups, they asked for chunks of debris: dust, rocks, steel, anything.

In response, the office and the city's Community Assistance Unit quietly set aside several hundred pieces of steel for monuments and memorials. New York gave away what it could -- chopping up some girders, leaving others intact, honoring as many requests as possible -- until late 2002, when the supply was exhausted.

The city rebuffed anyone wishing to profit from the tragedy. One man who hoped to make violins out of leftover debris was turned down. Besides, there was little if any wood left from the shattered buildings.

Recipients had to agree never to use their steel for commercial or financial gain, and to acknowledge that it might contain asbestos and other contaminants.

Last May, two public works employees from Lafayette, La., traveled to New York to retrieve a charred, l3-foot piece of steel.

The beam, now cut in two, forms a 1/100-scale model of the towers, which was placed in the city's Parc Sans Souci in September. Just above the Pentagon-shaped base, a quote from President Bush is translated into Cajun French: "Terrorist attacks can shake the foundations of our biggest buildings, but they cannot touch the foundation of America."

In July, Father Andrew Harrison drove a rented Ford Windstar 1,600 miles, from Palos Hills, Ill., to New York City and back. His only cargo on the return trip was a 2-foot, 200-pound beam that he had carefully draped with an American flag.

That section of steel, now installed in the narthex of St. Luke Orthodox Church, sits in front of a copper icon of St. Nicholas. (The New York church named after the saint was destroyed when the buildings fell.) A rectangular box on top of the steel holds taper candles, always lighted in remembrance of those who died on 9/11.

A month later, as part of his Eagle Scout project, Ben Narodick persuaded Federal Express to ship for free a 4-foot, 350-pound I- beam to Fountain Valley in Orange County.

That piece, now mounted atop a concrete base that he designed and built with his Boy Scout troop, was placed outside the Fountain Valley public library last October. It took seven members of Fountain Valley High School's varsity football team to lift the steel into place at the edge of a long, narrow reflecting pool.

"I think the best part about it is the size of it, the fact that it's intact," Narodick said. "People don't expect it....It brings to mind the first-hand experience. That's one of the reasons it's so important the pieces get spread out: to give a firsthand understanding of what happened."

As the beams crossed the country, on their way to presidential libraries and small-town firehouses, they were greeted with flag festooned parades and poignant ceremonies.

Father James Moore blessed two of the longest beams before they left New York on a freight truck bound for his church, Sacred Heart in Albuquerque. When they arrived, the Roman Catholic archbishop of Albuquerque consecrated the beams with sacred oil. Sacred Heart Church is in Barelas, one of Albuquerque's oldest and poorest neighborhoods, just south of downtown. Many of the area's buildings have been neglected, some abandoned altogether.

"Our neighborhood has kind of died," said the neighborhood association president, Robert Vigil. But by working together to build the belfry that will house the two World Trade Center beams, the residents of Barelas have become a community again, Vigil said. They are devoting time and energy to raising the $250,000 the church needs to complete the bell tower. They have planned that the beams, each almost 30 feet long, will stand on end, resting against two walls of the tower. So far, about $100,000 has been raised, most in small bills.

Moore marvels at the power the beams hold over all who see them.

When he just touched the beam, Vigil said, "9/11 came back once again. I could picture that day. I could picture everything happening. The fact that lives were lost."

Every day, three to 10 people visit Sacred Heart's courtyard, where a beam is on display until the bell tower is completed. Some visitors lay flowers or rosaries at the base of the steel. Others leave pictures and poems.

But most simply touch the beam, say a prayer, and walk away.

"The mixture of blood and bodies and steel and everything that was a part of the twin towers in that moment of horrible devastation ... led to a sacralization of all that material," Emory professor Laderman said.

These 9/11 memorials have become modern reliquaries: objects that might have been discarded but are now venerated as carriers of spiritual power.

Traditionally, such relics often became centerpieces for churches and temples. The small gothic Sainte-Chapelle in Paris, for example, was built by Louis IX to house what were believed to be the Crown of Thorns and a part of the True Cross.

But though most relics are the artifacts of a lifetime of struggle, the pieces of World Trade Center steel were imbued with historic relevance in a matter of moments.

In Fawnskin, on a small lot across from the North Shore Cafe, one of those pieces, a 2-foot length of I-beam, is perched on five large boulders. Nearby, a five-line poem is posted on a wooden display: "Swift, the unthinkable carnage; / Forever the fall-out of righteousness.... "

The poem was written by entertainer Marty Ingels, who with his wife, actress Shirley Jones, received one of the last pieces of steel from New York City for the park they have donated to Fawnskin, just north of Big Bear Lake.

Ingels said he designed the park to show his support for President Bush. The New York native plans to install a sign behind the beam that says, "Grief Is Not Enough."

In Martinet, Councilman Ross described the journey of his town's steel, from rubble to resurrection, as "miraculous." The afoot- long, 2-foot-wide beam was the focal point of the town's 9/11 commemoration.

For now, the piece sits in the most secure site in Martinet's Beaux-Arts City Hall: a police evidence locker. A committee will decide how, and where, to build a fitting tribute.

The memorial, Ross said, will serve as a powerful introduction to Martinet, which is the birthplace of Joe DiMaggio.

"We are a very diverse community, perhaps as diverse as the World Trade Center was in its occupants.... We just want people to know that we haven't forgotten. There's always time to pause and reflect on that moment, and what it means to us -- not just the past, but where should we go from here."



12 posted on 03/12/2004 7:14:24 PM PST by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: RWR8189

Eisenhower, Other US Generals Keep Mementos From Utah Beach

Should Supreme Commander be relieved?

In other news, President Roosevelt's new campaign ads are attacked for "insensitivity" towards Japanese-Americans...

13 posted on 03/12/2004 8:11:59 PM PST by an amused spectator (Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to be lied to by Democrats)
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To: RWR8189
Did Ted Kennedy keep Mary Kopechne's car?
Just curious....
14 posted on 03/12/2004 8:13:58 PM PST by mabelkitty (A tuning, a Vote in the topic package to the starting US presidency election fight)
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To: RWR8189
Of course, Solomon was a good Democrat (see, "good German") during the impeachment wars.

Lanny Davis:

"So we decided to call John Solomon at the AP and invited him to come over to the White House to look over the call sheets and to answer any other questions he might have. We had come to regard Solomon as the most factually-oriented, middle-of-the-road journalist of any on the scandal beat. He would kill us with stories, for sure; but they were always factual and he went the extra mile to be fair and complete in his reporting. Several members of the White House counsel's office, were present to help me walk Solomon through all the documents, explain the underlying laws and rulings, and respond to his questions. One other tactical decision needs mentioning: We called Solomon on Thursday, July 3 - so that the story would go out over the wires just in time for the Friday, July 4 newspapers."

"Solomon wrote the story as comprehensively and completely as we had hoped - and included comments from me that the calls would have been legal even if there had been a direct solicitation."

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Probably needed a little walking-around money from the DNC...

15 posted on 03/12/2004 8:20:31 PM PST by an amused spectator (Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to be lied to by Democrats)
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To: DonQ
I know someone who actually saw the plane dive into the Pentagon.

As they 'flew it in' - they took out some number of light poles along the way ... detailed extensively below ...

Spot the lamp poles

Debunking Alternative Pentagon Crash Theories

Pentagon/Eyewitnesses

16 posted on 03/12/2004 8:27:05 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: GreatEconomy
You're welcome.
18 posted on 03/12/2004 8:42:49 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
The info about the light poles was news to me and I am grateful that you provided these very telling details. I had not realized that the plane had come in such a low angle, altho it flew extremely close to the roof of the Navy Annex, about a half-mile from the Pentagon.

The jet hit the midpoint of the Pentagon wall adjacent to the Pentagon's helicopter landing pad, so the immediate area in front of that wall was relatively clear of obstructions such as power lines or trees.

19 posted on 03/12/2004 9:07:39 PM PST by DonQ
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To: RWR8189
The bureau announced it was banning agents from taking items from crimes scenes, but no agents were being charged with crimes because the bureau did not have such a policy during the Sept. 11 investigation.

So basic "theft" doesn't cover Our Esteemed Rulers, I suppose.

Screw Big Stupid Government.

20 posted on 03/12/2004 9:41:09 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never let your life be directed by people who could only get government jobs.)
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