Bush Backs Off Fingerprinting Mexicans

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[CWOJackson]

LOL!

I think they should all be required to carry a truth in advertising tag line.

"This is reason 2,416,812 why I won't be voting for Bush again."

[nopardons]

With the addendum : And I didn't vote for him the first time.

[Pa' fuera]

The facts are no one is getting a free pass with these VISAs

I never said they were getting a free pass. I understand perfectly well that these people have been fingerprinted, photographed, and have gone through a background check. I also know that the means by which these cards are issued are severely flawed:

The State Dept. presumes that the people who apply for these cards will not use them to immigrate to the United States. It is up to the applicant to defeat that presumption. 10 million Mexicans have been able to defeat that presumption and have been given the cards. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of them have used the card to enter the United States legally and have violated the terms of the visa by overstaying and working illegally in the US. The US Visit program would have been a check on all this misuse, and Bush's backtracking on this shows that he simply intends to make it easier for illegal immigrants to come into, and stay in, the country.

[Pa' fuera]

But keep on working your agenda there sparky...it's educational for the folks.

I will, as long as Bush follows his let-'em-all-in-if-they're-not-terrorists strategy

[CWOJackson]

Sure the process is seriously flawed...you say so.

Sparky, you're little agenda here is pretty evident. You're purposely ignoring the facts that have been placed on these threads so many times it's funny, and continue to try and twist your little rant around to stir the pot.

Look around you dude, the regular "Jorge Bush" folks aren't even cheering you on.

[kellynla]

Since you don't have any facts to back up your "Don't Question Anything Bush Does" fan club BS, here are some numbers you might want to study before you make a bigger ass out of yourself than you already have.

Mass Immigration Cost American Taxpayers $69 Billion Net and 2 Million Jobs in 1997

Study by Dr. Donald Huddle Reports Legal Immigration of over 1 Million Per Year Accounts for over 62% of Costs
State Costs to Taxpayers are Also Soaring (1996 Net Costs % up from 1992):

California: $28 billion up 35%

New York: $14 billion up 29%

Texas: $7 billion up 37%

Florida: $6 billion up 77%

The first study of the net cost of immigration to American taxpayers in 1997 conducted by Dr. Donald Huddle, Professor Emeritus of Economics at Rice University, found that:

The nearly 26 million legal and illegal immigrants settling in the United States since 1970 cost taxpayers a net $69 billion in 1997 alone, in excess of taxes those immigrants paid. This represents a cost of $260 in additional taxes paid by each U.S. resident or $1,030 in additional taxes paid by each family of four. This cost is a substantial increase over the net immigration costs of $65 billion ins 1996, $51 billion ins 1994, $44 billion in 1993, and $43 billion in 1992.

Over 62% of the net national cost of immigration in 1996, $40.6 billion, was attributable to legal and legalized (amnesty) immigrants. Illegal immigration generates about 38%, $24 billion of the total net cost. Legal immigration levels are over one million per year, and rising.

During 1996, approximately 2.3 million predominantly low-skill American workers were displaced from their jobs due to the continued heavy influx of immigrant workers since 1970. Taxpayers paid more than $15.2 billion in public assistance for those displaced workers in 1996, including Medicaid, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), unemployment compensation, and food stamps.

A net deficit of $8.5 billion dollars to the Social Security system in 1996 is attributable to the economic impact of the foreign-born population. Continued mass immigration threatens the solvency of the Social Security system.

Net cumulative costs for the 1998-2007 decade are projected to reach $932 billion, an average of $93.2 billion per year, even with recent changes in welfare and immigration policies and a prosperous economy, if current mass immigration trends are allowed to continue.

Breakdown for 1997 Costs of Legal Immigration
Public Schools (Primary, Secondary, Higher, etc) $22.5 billion

Bilingual Education, ESOL, ESL Education $ 3.3 billion

Medicaid $12.8 billion

AFDC (for legal and illegal immigrant's offspring) $ 2.4 billion

Social Security $24.8 billion

Supplemental Security Income $ 2.9 billion

Housing Assistance $ 2.6 billion

Criminal Justice $ 2.6 billion

Jobs Lost by Americans $10.8 billion

Other Programs $51.4 billion

1997 Total Costs for LEGAL Immigration: $136 billion

Add 1997 total costs for illegal immigration of $41 billion and subtract an estimated $108 billion in taxes paid by all immigrants (legal and illegal) in 1997 to obtain the overall net figure of $69 billion charged to you, and other American taxpayers.

Other key facts regarding immigration are:

1.) If current immigration trends continue, the current U.S. population of

274 million will nearly double to over 500,000,000 by 2050. (The U.S. was 135 million at the end of WWII.)

2.) Harvard Professor George Borjas demonstrated that mass immigration costs American workers $133 billion per year in wage depression and job loss.

3.) The prestigious National Research Council found at the state and local levels (which bear most of the burden for K-12 education) the net fiscal burden of the average immigrant-headed household (i.e., after subtracting state and local taxes the household paid) was:

$1,484 per immigrant-headed household in New Jersey (in the 1989-1990 fiscal year); and $3,463 in California (in 1994-1995)(p. 276-277)


And for even more recent facts read post#11.

You may not pay any taxes in America or care about America's security but those of who do are very angry at Bush and his failure to enforce the immigration laws in this country, secure the borders and deport the illegal aliesns. And until the borders are secured and the illegal aliens deported there is no "war on drugs", no "war on terrorism" and there is definitely no "homeland security."

[Iberian]

You don't deserve to understand the issue. Post the facts.
After all we have a few extraditions owed to folks who tried to kill thousands. (You know who they are).
We need Mexico for labor but we don't need the pajama crowd.

[CWOJackson]

Oh, I'd never deem to consider competing with you in the arena of making an a$$ of yourself...there's no way I could come close to the fine art you seem to have developed here sparky.

Nice numbers there guy. A person would think that if you were actually interested in stemming the flow of illegals immigrants you would actually welcome an initiative that would eliminate costly redundancy so we can divert more hours and dollars to the more important issues.

But if efficient isn't really your concern then of course you're simply going to try and make something out of this that it isn't.

I bow to your superior a$$hood.

[Pa' fuera]

Sure the process is seriously flawed...you say so. Sparky, you're little agenda here is pretty evident. You're purposely ignoring the facts that have been placed on these threads so many times it's funny, and continue to try and twist your little rant around to stir the pot. Look around you dude, the regular "Jorge Bush" folks aren't even cheering you on.

I'm not here to have people cheering me on. If you were cheering me on, I'd be concerned. I'm not ignoring facts. You'll have to take that gripe up with someone else.

I've never said that these people haven't been fingerprinted or photographed, obviously they have to have been for the US Visit screening to take place.

Are you also in favor of streamlining US Visit by not screening Middle Easterners? They, after all, have gone through probably a more strenuous process than the Mexicans have to get their visas?

[JackelopeBreeder]

From my local standpoint here in Cochise County, mojado capital of the world, this little issue is actually comical.

The vast majority of the thousands of illegals using us as their gateway do not pass through the official Ports of Entry. They don't have any legal documentation at all and hop over any stretch of border fence that looks unguarded.

Dubya and El Moocho Grande are just posturing and pandering for the masses on both sides of the border. And as usual, doing absolutely nothing to fix the underlying causes of the problem.

[CWOJackson]

LOL! Keep on twisting there guy. I don't know who you call to mind more, Chubby Checkers or John Kerry.

The simple issue is that this bogus thread tried to make the claim that Mexican nationals were going to be allowed to enter the country without being fingerprinted or photographed, and that lie has been exposed for the agenda it is.

But keep on trying to salvage something from it.

[kellynla]

Meanwhile "sparky" you can't contradict the facts and all you come up with is inane comments.

[Pa' fuera]

The vast majority of the thousands of illegals using us as their gateway do not pass through the official Ports of Entry. They don't have any legal documentation at all and hop over any stretch of border fence that looks unguarded.

well, it looks as if the way Bush wants to help you folks is to make it easier for them to enter legally so they don't have to hire polleros. They can use their pollero fee to buy false documents that will get them through their screening at the consulates.

[Iberian]

Good post, but the word immigration has to have specifics.
Immigrants to this country come from over 100 countries. Euros, Americas, and others, I ask how many are Mexicans.
Take the budget for immigrants brake it down and find out about the Mexicans, what they cost and figure out, what they contribute and figure out a balance.

PS: Don't forget who feeds us.

[Pa' fuera]

The simple issue is that this bogus thread tried to make the claim that Mexican nationals were going to be allowed to enter the country without being fingerprinted or photographed, and that lie has been exposed for the agenda it is.

I didn't address that issue. FWIW, it is misleading as stated - obviously anyone who has a clue about US Visit knows that there must be fingerprints and photos on file in order for the machine-read prints and photos at the port of entry to be compared against. My posting on this thread doesn't endorse that mis-statement any more than yours does.

[CWOJackson]

Sure thing there sparky...keep on trying, your handlers will be proud of you.

[Iberian]

What are you doing to fix the problem??. WHTAAA you going to vote for Kerry and let everybody in??. Or you can vote for Bush and let him and Fox get this done.
The Mexicans are not the problem, the Euros and the East is the issue.

But the infrastructure IS the Mexicans.

Can you put it together?

Islam is your clue, we are at war with them.

[JackelopeBreeder]

They can use their pollero fee to buy false documents that will get them through their screening at the consulates.

Good point. Any blanket exemption would render all cards meaningless. And face it, you and I can duplicate just about any card on the computers in front of us. I've actually done it, but had to mess them up to look authentic. Email me -- jackelopebreeder@hotmail.com -- and I'll send you a matricula consulares in the name of your choice that will pass muster in any of the misguided locales here in the States that decided to accept them. Just for fun I issued matriculas to both of my dogs.

Locally, most of the legal border crossers are well known to the agents at the Ports of Entry. Take my friend Hector as an example. He crosses three of four times every week. I even set up his daughter's wedding reception here on this side of the border.

But then Luis from Xoahaca shows up at the POE and wants to be just waved through...with the bed of his truck just a whisker away from erasing the tread from his tires. Hmmm. I personally would subject him to fingerprints, retinal scan, DNA testing and a body cavity search. Sorry, Luis, but we ran out of KY...take a deep breath and try to relax.

[JackelopeBreeder]

What are you doing to fix the problem??

Read my tagline, slick. It isn't a joke.

I actively hunt illegal aliens crossing the border in Cochise County, Arizona. I don't give a rat's ass what nationality they are. I haven't caught any Finnish reindeer herders or New Guinea headhunters yet, but it could always happen tomorrow. The first group I turned over to the Border Patrol included four Chinese.

Here's reality for you. We have one set of illegal alien trails here that everybody calls OTM alley. That's Other Than Mexican.

A good number of Middle Eastern types have been caught here. They pay anywhere from $30,000 to$50,000 to be smuggled in by Mexican coyotes. Somehow, I just don't think they paid that kind of cash just to get that dream job at a 7-Eleven in Nashville.

Do you think illegals just ghost through here with no impact on the local population? Let's see -- vandalism, theft, burglary, assault, car-jackings, rape. Our sheriff has an average of 250 new illegals charged with felonies in his jail every week.

There are only 120,000 of us legal locals here in the entire county. About 30,000 are Hispanic and most of them are just as pissed off as I am. We no longer give a sh!t if everyone else gets cheap lettuce, cheap lawn care, and cheap labor.

Finally, I really don't care which of the two losers ends up in the Oval Office next year. If Dubya had any cojones at all, he would have planted a boot tip in El Moocho Grande's crotch on Saturday and sent him crawling back to Mexico to fix his cesspool of a country. Yeah, I know, it'll never happen as long as that bunch of Spanish grandee wannabes are running the place.

Any chance you have an explanation for why a country with a $900 billion GDP has 40% of its population living in starvation? Or why us gringos are expected to bail them out?

[azhenfud]

"The migrants maintaining the infrastructure and the ones here to kill us."

I'm not referring to legal migrants - I'm referring to the Illegaliens - those who steal their way into the US and who steal some $40 billion annually from taxpayers in taxpayer funded services - from medical care to foodstamps for their anchor babies. Those, my friend, along with the felons who hire, support, encourage, and aid them, are destroying the infrastructure of America.