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To: Travis McGee
I'd also like to add that the NJSP has been a laughingstock among agencies for decades because of its inept firearms policies. It was one of very few agencies to purchase the grip-cocking, gas-delayed oddity, the H&K P7, and they proceeded to shoot themselves, each other, and the landscape frequently enough that they either had to change guns or begin training officers (or recruiting trainable ones, if that's the problem).

Choice was the S&W 99. The choice was made, as ever in New Jersey, on kickbacks and political backscratching -- in this case, it was a payoff for the S&W lawsuit deal with the Clinton administration. There was only one slight problem: the S&W was so unreliable that the troopers couldn't even shoot themselves, let alone their usual targets: innocent citizens, each other, floorboards and roofs of cruisers, and highway signs. Not to mention whatever was behind, around or nearby fleeing felons. About half of the troopers had jams with the Smith... so they rolled the dice again.

I believe they finally came up SIG, but you have to want to sell guns really badly to sell them to these bozos. I wonder if the NJSP's very clumsiness with their service weapons is why they are death on Joe Citizen owning a gun (it's certainly why they were nearly death on this Joe Citizen).

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

14 posted on 03/07/2004 12:52:07 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
This probably took place in PA unless NJ also has a Schuylkill County and a Morning Call newspaper.

Morning Call is an Allentown, PA paper and Schuylkill County is in eastern Pa coal country.

30 posted on 03/07/2004 2:09:10 AM PST by NEPA
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To: Criminal Number 18F
This occured in PENNSYLVANIA, not New Jersey.

It was the PA State Police who shot and killed a man with a deadly rake just a few months ago.

I can't figure out why two troopers need to have their guns drawn to take down one guy and handcuff him. Unless of course he was threatening them with the deadly loofa sponge or attempting to garrot them with his soap-on-a-roap.
97 posted on 03/10/2004 7:38:44 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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