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NASA: "A Chilling Possibility" Global Warming Could cause Deep Freeze!
NASA ^ | 3/5/04 | NASA

Posted on 03/05/2004 12:53:24 PM PST by Mark Felton

March 5, 2004:  Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.

That's the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast heat that these ocean currents deliver--comparable to the power generation of a million nuclear power plants--Europe's average temperature would likely drop 5 to 10°C (9 to 18°F), and parts of eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less. Such a dip in temperature would be similar to global average temperatures toward the end of the last ice age roughly 20,000 years ago.

see captionRight: Retreating Arctic ice, 1979-2003, based on data collected by the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) Special Sensor Microwave Imager (SSMI). [More]

Some scientists believe this shift in ocean currents could come surprisingly soon--within as little as 20 years, according to Robert Gagosian, president and director of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. Others doubt it will happen at all. Even so, the Pentagon is taking notice. Andrew Marshall, a veteran Defense Department planner, recently released an unclassified report detailing how a shift in ocean currents in the near future could compromise national security.

"It's difficult to predict what will happen," cautions Donald Cavalieri, a senior scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, "because the Arctic and North Atlantic are very complex systems with many interactions between the land, the sea, and the atmosphere. But the facts do suggest that the changes we're seeing in the Arctic could potentially affect currents that warm Western Europe, and that's gotten a lot of people concerned."

Ice is Key


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There are several satellites keeping an all-weather watch on ice cover in the Arctic. NASA's Aqua satellite, for instance, carries a Japanese-built sensor called the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer-EOS ("AMSR-E" for short). Using microwaves, rather than visible light, AMSR-E can penetrate clouds and offer uninterrupted surveillance of the ice, even at night, explains Roy Spencer, the instrument's principal investigator at the Global Hydrology and Climate Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Other ice-watching satellites, operated by NASA, NOAA and the Dept. of Defense, use similar technology.

The view from orbit clearly shows a long-term decline in the "perennial" Arctic sea ice (the part that remains frozen during the warm summer months). According to a 2002 paper by Josefino Comiso, a climate scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, this year-round ice has been retreating since the beginning of the satellite record in 1978 at an average rate of 9% per decade. Studies looking at more recent data peg the rate at 14% per decade, suggesting that the decline of Arctic sea ice is accelerating.

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Above: A global ocean circulation between deep, colder water and warmer, surface water strongly influences regional climates around the world. Image courtesy Argonne National Laboratory. [More]

Some scientists worry that melting Arctic sea ice will dump enough freshwater into the North Atlantic to interfere with sea currents. Some freshwater would come from the ice-melt itself, but the main contributor would be increased rain and snow in the region. Retreating ice cover exposes more of the ocean surface, allowing more moisture to evaporate into the atmosphere and leading to more precipitation.

Because saltwater is denser and heavier than freshwater, this "freshening" of the North Atlantic would make the surface layers more buoyant. That's a problem because the surface water needs to sink to drive a primary ocean circulation pattern known as the "Great Ocean Conveyor." Sunken water flows south along the ocean floor toward the equator, while warm surface waters from tropical latitudes flow north to replace the water that sank, thus keeping the Conveyor slowly chugging along. An increase in freshwater could prevent this sinking of North Atlantic surface waters, slowing or stopping this circulation.

see captionAMSR-E is collecting new data that will help scientists evaluate this possibility. For one thing, it provides greatly improved ground resolution over previous all-weather sensors. AMSR-E images reveal smaller cracks and fissures in the ice as it breaks up in the spring. This detail allows scientists to better understand the dynamics of ice break-up, says Cavalieri, a member of the AMSR-E team.

Right: Sea ice disintegrating off the coast of Greenland on March 15, 2003, as seen by the older Defense Meteorological Satellite Program SSMI sensor (14 km resolution) and the newer AMSR-E (~5 km resolution). Smaller cracks not visible in the left image show up clearly in the right one.

"Other important pieces of the puzzle, like rainfall, sea-surface temperatures, and oceanic winds, are also detected by AMSR-E. Looking at those variables together should help scientists assess the likelihood of a change in the Atlantic currents," adds Spencer.

Deja Vu?

Once considered incredible, the notion that climate can change rapidly is becoming respectable. In a 2003 report, Robert Gagosian cites "rapidly advancing evidence [from, e.g., tree rings and ice cores] that Earth's climate has shifted abruptly and dramatically in the past." For example, as the world warmed at the end of the last ice age about 13,000 years ago, melting ice sheets appear to have triggered a sudden halt in the Conveyor, throwing the world back into a 1,300 year period of ice-age-like conditions called the "Younger Dryas."

Will it happen again? Researchers are scrambling to find out.

see captionOn Feb. 13, an expedition set sail from Great Britain to place current-monitoring sensors in the Atlantic Ocean that will check the Gulf Stream for signs of slowing. The voyage is the latest step in a joint US / UK research project called Rapid Climate Change, which began in 2001. Another international project, called SEARCH (Study of Environmental Arctic CHange), kicked off in 2001 with the goal of more carefully assessing changes in Arctic sea ice thickness.

Above: The RRS Discovery, on a voyage to measure currents in the Atlantic Ocean. [More]

Much depends on how fast the warming of the Arctic occurs, according to computer simulations by Thomas F. Stocker and Andreas Schmittner of the University of Bern. In their models, a faster warming could shut down the major Atlantic current completely, while a slower warming might only slow the current for a few centuries.

And, inevitably, the discussion turns to people. Does human industry play a major role in warming the Arctic? Could we reverse the trend, if we wanted to? Not all scientists agree. Some argue that the changes occuring in the Arctic are consistent with large, slow natural cycles in ocean behavior that are known to science. Others see a greater human component.

"The sea ice thawing is consistent with the warming we've seen in the last century," notes Spencer, but "we don't know how much of that warming is a natural climate fluctuation and what portion is due to manmade greenhouse gases." If the Great Conveyor Belt suddenly stops, the cause might not matter. Europeans will have other things on their minds--like how to grow crops in snow. Now is the time to find out, while it's merely a chilling possibility.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; prozacchewables; whateverwesayitmeans
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To: searchandrecovery
I'd add ducks, geese (meat and eggs), horses (transportation and agriculture -- "tractor" analog, and fertilizer production), goats (meat, dairy), sheep (wool and meat), pigs (meat and waste recycling), and pigeons (squab is delicious, and very easy to raise, very efficient). And parrots and parakeets too, come to think of it. Very intelligent, nice birds to have around. There's something to be said for esthetics, after all.

PS: lobsters, tuna, and other "seafood" don't need to go on the ark, eh? (And anyway, you forgot calamari, clams, mussels, oysters, scallops, and crawdads -- the latter which might actually qualify for ark passage.)
81 posted on 03/05/2004 3:49:37 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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PS: add crabs, too. King, snow, blue, stone, dungeness.
82 posted on 03/05/2004 3:51:30 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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PPS: ducks, geese (meat, eggs, and down)
83 posted on 03/05/2004 3:52:44 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: searchandrecovery
Honey-bees, too. Just in case.
84 posted on 03/05/2004 3:56:42 PM PST by ahayes
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To: Mark Felton
Oh, man, this could really extend the ski season in the east!!! Can't wait!!!
85 posted on 03/05/2004 3:57:24 PM PST by Betteboop
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Don't forget the environmentally friendly foam on the shuttle.
86 posted on 03/05/2004 3:59:33 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Don Joe
I'd add ducks,...
ducks - no
geese - no
horses - maybe
goats - no
sheep - yes!
pigs - yes! (ham sandwiches)
pigeons - you must be kidding.
parrots - oh please, you're killing me here.
calamari, clams, mussels, oysters, scallops, and crawdads - lobster trumps all of the above; might have room in the cooler for clams or mussels or oysters, but I'm not sure.
87 posted on 03/05/2004 4:05:50 PM PST by searchandrecovery (Do as I say, not as I do.)
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To: brownsfan
You're absolutely right...I use some mean stats for my work.

There are all kinds of "creations" of means. I used the mean of the mean which equates more or less to an average. There were two spike years in that 10 year group and I would call them significant. Interestingly, they were within a three year period and one might equate them with global warming (if someone was so bent)...except there were no cars, etc. back then so we gave due credit to mother nature and the vastness of the universe.

Their stats are a baseless composition of too many unknowns and unsolvable. Mother nature pulls her own balancing act.

88 posted on 03/05/2004 5:14:53 PM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
I wrote :
Homo sapiens has never experienced an ice age. You wrote :
Homo sapiens have been around for about 75,000 years.
First of all, I see absolutely no proof for your statement. The fact is : we don't know.
89 posted on 03/06/2004 1:54:21 AM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666
Proof you say......

Facts any grammar school child knows

The First Humans: Cro-Magnon Man Biologically modern human beings (species Homo sapiens) first appear about 120,000 years ago. Cro-magnon man, with prominent chin, a sharply rising forehead, and a gracile skeleton existed some 40,000-10,000 years ago. Remains were first found in France in 1868 and then throughout other parts of Europe.

Cro-Magnon man was anatomically identical to modern humans and differed significantly from Neanderthal man, who disappeared in the fossil record shortly after Cro-Magnon's appearance. They were skilled hunters, toolmakers and artists. Their upper Paleolithic culture produced a markedly more sophisticated tool kit, using a wider variety of raw materials such as bone and antler, and containing new implements for making clothing, engraving, and sculpting. They produced fine artwork, in the form of decorated tools, beads, ivory carvings of humans and animals, shell jewelry, clay figurines, musical instruments, and polychrome cave paintings of exceptional vitality.

90 posted on 03/06/2004 5:48:09 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/wardhunt/
91 posted on 03/06/2004 1:30:08 PM PST by Truth666
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

the article gives the answer to both subjects :


- the pace of the ongoing climate change
- the issue of knowing for how long has homo sapiens been around.
92 posted on 03/06/2004 1:32:37 PM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666
Sea....senor
93 posted on 03/06/2004 1:58:46 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
I' m glad to see that you understood it.
94 posted on 03/06/2004 2:00:49 PM PST by Truth666
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To: 68skylark
Every day we see articles here about the end of the world.

I'm sick of catastrophe. If it's going to happen, I say bring it on!

I'm with Ya! Enough already! ;-)

95 posted on 03/06/2004 2:07:14 PM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: Truth666
I' m glad to see that you understood it.

Homo sapiens have lived through 3 ice cycles

96 posted on 03/06/2004 2:07:35 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
In that case I'm sad to see that you didn't get it.
97 posted on 03/06/2004 2:19:47 PM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666
In that case I'm sad to see that you didn't get it.

Sorry, but the story of the "great wall of ice" has been told in my family, from generation to generation, back thousands of generations.

My 18 year old son learned about this when he was 10.

The wooly mammoth story is a hoot.

98 posted on 03/06/2004 2:25:34 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: Mark Felton
Global cooling was all the rage a few decades ago. These "scientists" clearly have latched onto


99 posted on 03/06/2004 3:04:47 PM PST by xp38
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
The article was obvious written by someone that can't reveal the information he has and doesn't want to lie.
This is a common situation today - just think about a researcger that has facts that would contradict evolution theory, but he knows he can't tell you about them, because he knows he will loose his job otherwise.
From the link : When the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf originally formed, it blocked the mouth of Disraeli Fiord, cutting it off from the Arctic Ocean. In the process, the ice shelf trapped driftwood inside the epishelf lake and kept other pieces of driftwood from entering. Pieces of driftwood found along the shores of Disraeli Fiord have been there since the ice shelf formed, and by radiocarbon dating the wood, researchers have been able to estimate the minimum age of the ice shelf. “There simply are no radiocarbon dates more recent than 3,000 years before present,” said Jeffries. This ice shelf, in existence for at least three millennia, has now encountered conditions it can no longer survive.
Q : So why isn't the information given about the most recent radiocarbon dates that were found ?
A : For the same reason that "minimum age" is used instead of what you would expect, i.e. "maximum age".
100 posted on 03/06/2004 3:57:48 PM PST by Truth666
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