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Law firm cuts rates by outsourcing to India
Pioneer Press ^ | March 3, 2004 | JULIE FORSTER

Posted on 03/03/2004 4:36:25 PM PST by sarcasm

How about this deal? Get legal work typically billed at $200 an hour for just $50.

It's an attractive rate that could get better, a Minneapolis-based outsourcing firm said Tuesday. But it's a pitch that comes with controversy attached: the outsourcing of U.S. jobs overseas.

Intellevate, which outsources legal support services, said its India-based operations have received economic incentives from the Indian government.

The incentives include a seven-year "tax holiday" and exemption from India's import and export duties.

The result: Intellevate's costs will get lower, allowing it to pitch even lower prices for legal work to its customers — U.S. law firms and corporations.

"We contract with a law firm to do their work in India for them at a significant cost savings," said Leon Steinberg, Intellevate's CEO.

Offshoring, the term used to describe the outsourcing of work from the United States to foreign countries, has come under fire from politicians and critics as the practice spreads to service industries looking to cut costs and gain a competitive edge.

Intellevate hopes to cash in big. It's majority owned by shareholder attorneys at Schwegman Lundberg Woessner & Kluth, a 55-lawyer patent firm in Minneapolis. Schwegman also uses Intellevate's services.

Right now, Intellevate's reach is limited. The firm — formed last summer — counts a dozen law firms as customers. Schwegman is the lone Minnesota law firm using its bookkeeping, paralegal and technical research services.

Intellevate has two corporate clients, including one in Minnesota. (The client declined to be identified.)

By tapping the discounted outsourced services, law firms like Schwegman pitch services to clients at cut-rate prices. The services range from basic proofreading to specialized technical analysis.

The firm claims that higher-level work, such as assessing the coverage and scope of patents held by clients and their competitors, is performed by scientists with doctorate degrees who are paid much less than their U.S. counterparts.

The law firm doesn't outsource the writing of patents or anything that allows an in-depth knowledge of patent law or communication with clients, said Steve Lundberg, managing partner of Schwegman.

About 20 Intellevate workers in India work on Schwegman projects. Six are patent engineers, the rest are proofreaders and paralegals.

Lundberg said the work being outsourced to New Delhi and Bangalore is difficult to do cost effectively in the United States.

Not many patent firms use scientists because of the high cost and their clients' unwillingness to pay. "Unless the price is low, people don't want to pay for it," Lundberg said.

When Schwegman first started outsourcing patent work a few years ago, the practice was limited to simple tasks like proofreading published patents for errors and inconsistencies.

It was difficult to get anyone to do the often tedious, mind-numbing work.

In India, there were willing workers. "We started feeling our way through it," Lundberg said. "We said, if something works, we keep doing it and, if it doesn't, we stop."

The firm ramped up its outsourcing about a year ago; about $1 million of its $20 million in revenue comes from work outsourced to Intellevate's India operation.

Close to 80 percent of the law firm's services involves writing patent applications and getting them approved. Most of that work is done in the United States.

Lundberg said he doesn't think that there will ever be a time when patent applications will be drafted in India.

Not all law firms are sold on outsourcing.

Merchant & Gould, a Twin Cities patent law firm with more than 100 attorneys, isn't considering outsourcing to India because the firm's clients haven't asked, said Randy King, the firm's CEO.

King said he thought the arrangement could be tough to manage, and quality could be tougher to maintain.

"Quite frankly, it is so politically sensitive," he said. "I don't know that one wants to get out in front of that issue. Until our clients drive us in that direction, it is unlikely that we will look at it seriously."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: india; outsourcing; trade
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1 posted on 03/03/2004 4:36:25 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
We could use a "tax holiday" here in the US. Better yet, how about downward evolving tax reform?

If Kerry's elected, good bye to any future tax cuts. Tax increases will be the policy of choice in a Kerry administration.

Vote Bush-Cheney.

2 posted on 03/03/2004 4:43:58 PM PST by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY in 2004)
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To: sarcasm
.....he, he, he.....just one rung left on the ladder....
You will not see outsourcing stopping anytime soon....until lawyers themselves, are offshored.....
3 posted on 03/03/2004 4:44:52 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
U.S. jobs are either being offshored or taken by illegal aliens.

Bush needs to get his arms around this issue fast...
4 posted on 03/03/2004 4:47:37 PM PST by TSgt (I am proudly featured on U.S. Rep Rob Portman's homepage: http://www.house.gov/portman/)
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To: sarcasm
Intellevate, which outsources legal support services, said its India-based operations have received economic incentives from the Indian government. The incentives include a seven-year "tax holiday" and exemption from India's import and export duties.

But...but...I thought India was free traders. This means not only they're protectionist, but they subsidize market-share grabbing schemes too?

I suppose if we outsource even more jobs to India they'll feel guilty and mend their ways...

</ sarcasm>

5 posted on 03/03/2004 4:50:54 PM PST by Shermy
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To: MikeWUSAF
BTTT
6 posted on 03/03/2004 4:51:37 PM PST by international american (Tagline for lease......no down payment@ OAC!!)
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To: sarcasm
Well that ought to do it. As soon as lawyers start seeing their jobs outsourced, you can bet their will be some laws passed.
7 posted on 03/03/2004 4:53:19 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: sarcasm
Lawyers are truely the work of the Devil. Instead of getting one bloodsucker for $200 per hour we can now get four for the same price. And the worst part is you have to travel 12,000 miles to tar and feather the b@st@ard.
8 posted on 03/03/2004 4:53:34 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: MikeWUSAF
Bush needs to get his arms around this issue fast...

As long as the government continues to oppress business with regulations, taxes, and strictures, outsourcing will continue. There's nothing Bush, or Kerry, or anybody else can do about it.

It's called "the cost of doing business."

9 posted on 03/03/2004 4:58:44 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
You have named or alluded to the basic causes for outsourcing, but that doesn't make it any the less harmful and dangerous. Atlas is shrugging, just not as Ayn Rand envisioned.
10 posted on 03/03/2004 5:07:36 PM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: sarcasm
The incentives include a seven-year "tax holiday" and exemption from India's import and export duties.

Gee, low or no taxes and India's economy is booming...what genius thought that not taxing businesses was a good idea for the economy?

11 posted on 03/03/2004 5:14:33 PM PST by xrp
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To: xrp
If America had no taxes they would still outsource. The root of outsourcing is differential labor costs, a cost always sought to be cut regardless of other costs.

12 posted on 03/03/2004 5:16:58 PM PST by Shermy
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To: sarcasm
Outsourcing started LONG TIME AGO. The day someone
went out and bought a Volkswagen, a Toyota, a Sony
walkman....you name it, jobs in US were instantly
outsourced.

I will bet any money all those who are squealing like
woundeded pigs now about outsourcing drive a foreign
car, buy foreign made electronics, and buy clothes
made in China.

All these people are phonies, hypocrites, cry babies
and Kerry voters.
13 posted on 03/03/2004 5:28:40 PM PST by gwbiny2k
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To: taxed2death
until lawyers themselves, are offshored.....

The deeper the ocean trench, the better.

14 posted on 03/03/2004 5:31:12 PM PST by Alouette (Mitul d'min kadam Shemayo malchusa v'shalim b'ammaya)
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To: Iwo Jima
You have named or alluded to the basic causes for outsourcing, but that doesn't make it any the less harmful and dangerous.

That's a given, but the fact is that these jobs will continue to offshore until the United States government decides that its policies are the cause of this, and not selfish corporations.

15 posted on 03/03/2004 5:33:23 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sarcasm
Is it just me, or is it a really, really bad idea to have sensitive legal information in a foreign country not restricted by our laws to stop it from being misused?

What next to save money? Legal work done cheap in Afghanistan or who knows what lowest bidder with what connections?

This can't go anywhere good in the long run.

16 posted on 03/03/2004 5:40:02 PM PST by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: grania
> Is it just me, or is it a really, really bad idea to have sensitive legal information in a foreign country

Hahahahahahahaha! Are the lawyers starting to get theirs? Watch for some very SPECIAL LAWS soon, everybody!
17 posted on 03/03/2004 6:09:14 PM PST by old-ager
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To: grania
I worry more about offshoring of financial information.
18 posted on 03/03/2004 6:10:15 PM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Lawyers are truely the work of the Devil. Instead of getting one bloodsucker for $200 per hour we can now get four for the same price.

Oh please, what do you do for a living --- teach school, hold public office, work as a tax accountant, or perhaps you're an engineer who sucks bllod on the local zoning code?

19 posted on 03/03/2004 6:17:21 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: sarcasm
Bush needs to get us back to doing tedious mind-numbing work?
20 posted on 03/03/2004 6:26:40 PM PST by redbaiter
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