Yishai calls for Gibson's Jesus film to be banned in Israel

Haaretz Israel ^ | 26 February 2004 | Amiram Barkat

[judicial meanz]

Excellent posts!

[Mr.Atos]

Indeed! And Welcome, Sir, to the Republic.

Atos

btw... Excellent tagline!

[Paved Paradise]

Why would you believe the satanic element was over the top? I mean, do you not recognize that all the anger and hate and filth that is being spewed about this film and Gibson is from the evil one himself?

[windcliff]

ping

[onedoug]

Ger Tzedek for Gibson and his film.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

The movie has brought out the anti-Semites.

As it brought out the Abe Foxman crowd.

I think maybe most Christians - not to be confused with anti-Semites - just get tired of being told we have to keep our Lord in the closet. Please forgive us if it's a little frustrating.

[missyme]

Oh of course I do, I just mean that the little demons chasing Judas around seemed real although not biblical.

I realize that evil is present how it manifests itself is subject for debate..

[Imal]

"Jews would want all men to become Jews."

You clearly don't have the first clue about what Jews want, or what Judaism is about. I recommend educating yourself more, and embarrassing yourself less by doing so.

Posts like that are painful to read.

[jeremiah]

Actually Yeshua's last statement, was a pointed quotation for the Jewish leadership. He told them who he was by quoting scripture "My God My God, why has thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46-Mark 15:34 ....Compare that to Psalms 22. It is a clear prophecy of the crucificion.

I am sure you know of this, but I wrote it for others to see.

[FrankR]

These folks need a reference check...it's call the Holy Bible.

(Note to liberals and Jews...Mel didn't write this movie as a work of fiction...he's just acting out what has been written for a couple of thousand years.)

[jeremiah]

It is not anti-Semitic, to state the facts of the case. It is not anti-Aryan to state the facts of the holocaust either. The Jews rejected the promised Messiah, it was prophesied to happen. Jesus died for all mankind, but he came first to the Jews, their leadership had him put to death. The Romans were but the arm that was used to do the job. With that said, they are still Gods children, but no longer are they a preferred people, but just one of the family of us all. It does not help the cause of Zionism to let them try to change what is history to the Christians. They must come to terms with it someday, just as the Germans have to come to terms with their sins, and I with mine.

[jeremiah]

That review was of course excellent, as were the insights into the fallen nature of ALL mankind. I saved it to send to my friends and family.

[Imal]

"Where do you get you (mis)information?"

As I mentioned above, the reason he won't tell you has to do with what else you'll find on the websites he is quoting, which also peddle white supremacy and Nazism.

One of the more prominent sources of this sort of "Talmudic scholarship" is Michael A. Hoffman II, whose website Campaign for Radical Truth in History, bills itself as "Your source for suppressed information on Judaism's strange gods, secret societies and psychological warfare and radical history."

His "definitive work" on the Talmud, The Truth About the Talmud, has been used as a source for other "Talmudic scholars" associated with white supremacy groups like Aryans Nations and various neo-Nazi, anti-Jewish social clubs, who distribute his and other works intended to "expose the Jewish conspiracy".

Guillermo, instead of telling you his source directly, suggests searching the Internet. On that point, I agree. You probably should have a better idea of where he is getting his information, and thus better understand why he is injecting it into this thread.

I encourage anyone following this little subtopic of the thread to see for themselves what I am talking about. A Google search of the terms "talmud truth jesus" is a good starting point.

For some specific links demonstrating what I am talking about, see the following:

Aryan Nations: Literature

Resistance Records: Hidden Facts

Stormfront.Org: The Truth about the Talmud

These are just the barest sampling, as even a casual search will reveal.

You'll notice Guillermo has, so far, not disputed what I posted above. I doubt it's due to an oversight, but acknowledge the possibility (it's a busy thread) and urge him to prove me wrong -- I would very much prefer to be wrong about this, believe me.

The whole subject turns my stomach, but I refuse to ignore it, because it's real, these people are real, their websites are real, and they are spreading their "truth" as I write this, and as you read this, and it is right here in this thread.

As painful history has demonstrated time and again, when people tell you who they are, it's best to listen to them.

[Imal]

Excellent points, excellent post.

[judicial meanz]

Thanks

[Natural Law]

Does this mean that Israel does NOT have religious freedom?

[safisoft]

All agree that the word “Jesus is a transcription or a copy of the Greek name … which is a derivation of the Hebrew Ieshoua, a common Jewish name” according to the book The Names and Titles of Jesus by Leopold Sabourin, S.J.

The "Hebrew Ieshoua"? Please. Stick to English, and tell ol' Leopold the same.

First, no "i". The letter is a yod, and better transliterated by "y". To spell Mr. Sabourin's Ieshoua would be yod, shin, vav, vav, ayin. Nonsensical. About as silly as people trying to pronounce the Tetragrammaton as "Yah-way" (in Hebrew, this word cannot be pronounced this way, because there is no silent hey there).

As Cris Talk correctly pointed out, it is yod, shin, vav, ayin. Pick up a Hebrew translation of the "Gospel of Matthew". Hundreds of times it is spelled yod, shin, vav, ayin.

[AlbionGirl]

Once they actually start shooting the antisemitism salvos, however, it gets pretty dangerous. That's the only weapon they hold, and once it's gone there's no reloading.

Now that dynamic has changed though, and it's been changing for a while because misuse and/or overuse devalues all.

With the widespread viewing of this movie, and from the tenor of most of its reviews, the charge that this movie is anti-semitic is false.

As a consequence, Foxman, who has been the ring leader here, has devalued the epithet of anti-semite enormously. Because now he's the man who not only cried, but flailed wolf, and continued, and continued to flail wolf. He's now like Jesse Jackson when he cries racism. He's hurt his cause immeasurably, but he's too paranoid to know it or care, I guess.

Couple that with the fact that you had a protester in NYC dressed in Holocaust garb (according to an article posted here yesterday) implying that this movie was the equivalent of that which led to Aushwitz (sp?) and/or Aushwitz itself.

I understand the fear and the paranoia that persecution can cause, but these instances that I've referenced indicate a derangement.

It wouldn't surprise me at all, if instead of some act of violence purpetrated against a Jewish person, one is purpetrated against Gibson and/or someone in his family.

Let's hope this ugliness catches a glimpse of itself and fades away.

[patriciaruth]

you think that the normative Catholic thinking of the 19th century was that it was better to forcibly remove an ailing Jewish child from his loving parents because his nurse had baptised the child against his parents' will?

On reflection, I do believe that church leaders believed that Salvation was the most important thing, eclipsing all other considerations.

[adam_az]

"As I mentioned above, the reason he won't tell you has to do with what else you'll find on the websites he is quoting, which also peddle white supremacy and Nazism."

I know - that's precisely why I want Guillermo to post the link.

He doesn't have the stones to do it.

Guillermo == racist coward (aren't they all)