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City-State Showdown Brewing Over Gay Marriage
Reuters ^ | Sat February 21, 2004

Posted on 02/21/2004 1:30:06 PM PST by demlosers

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general will go to court as soon as possible to defend a state law defining marriage as a union of a man and a woman, a spokeswoman said on Saturday. A lawsuit could pit the state against the city of San Francisco, which has sanctioned thousands of same-sex weddings since just before the Feb. 14 Valentine's Day weekend.

"We think it's very important to have this issue resolved as quickly as possible for the people of California, as well as for the couples who have obtained these marriage licenses," Hallye Jordan, a spokeswoman for a Attorney General Bill Lockyer, said. "We're going to court as soon as possible to defend state law."

On Friday, the state's Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger stepped up his rhetoric against gay weddings, sending Lockyer, a Democrat, a letter ordering him to take "immediate steps" to end same-sex matrimony.

A second Superior Court judge had refused on Friday to halt the weddings, authorized by newly-elected San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom.

Gay weddings have been a hot-button U.S. political issue in recent weeks. Besides the weddings in San Francisco, the highest court in Massachusetts issued a ruling compelling the state to recognize marriages between homosexuals.

Some conservatives have said that Republican President Bush, who is running for re-election this year, will push to amend the U.S. constitution to ban gay marriage. Sen. John Kerry, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination to run against Bush, is from Massachusetts.

Lockyer has 30 days to respond to Schwarzenegger's directive, released during California's Republican Party Convention last night, Jordan said.

He will argue that San Francisco's actions violate California's Proposition 22, which state voters approved in 2000 defining marriage as being only between a man and a woman, she added.

City officials have not yet decided how they would respond to a potential lawsuit, although San Francisco sued the state on Thursday saying the marriage law violated the California constitution.

"To the best of my knowledge the state hasn't initiated litigation," said Matt Dorsey, a spokesman for city attorney Dennis Herrera. "It's premature to comment."

There have been almost 3,200 gay marriages performed in San Francisco since Feb. 12.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: California
KEYWORDS: civilunion; gays; marrige; samesexmarriage; schwarzenegger; sf; stunt
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1 posted on 02/21/2004 1:30:07 PM PST by demlosers
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To: demlosers
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger stepped up his rhetoric against gay weddings

Lame lame lame.

Send the police in, arrest everyone and everyone participating in this. They're breaking the law, plain and simple.

2 posted on 02/21/2004 1:34:25 PM PST by angkor
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To: demlosers
Frisco Mayor Ousts Schwarzenegger
(2004-02-21) -- San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom today ousted California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger after the governor tried to order the mayor to stop violating state law by granting marriage licenses to homosexual couples.

"I have impeached Gov. Schwarzenegger and found him guilty," said Mayor Newsom. "He must vacate the governor's office and residence immediately."

In related news, the mayor replaced the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals with a panel of federal judges who are committed to accomplishing from the bench what liberals have failed to do through Congress and state legislatures.

3 posted on 02/21/2004 1:35:20 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Man rises to greatness if greatness is expected of him)
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To: demlosers
I have nothing against gay people marrying. A gay man has an equal right to marry a woman as a heterosexual man. The same applies for a lesbian woman marrying a man. However, gays should not have any special rights. A gay man has no more right to marry another man than I do to polygamy.
4 posted on 02/21/2004 1:36:33 PM PST by XHogPilot
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To: demlosers
does anyone know how much money SF has made off of these trick??
6 posted on 02/21/2004 1:39:52 PM PST by camas
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To: XHogPilot
You will, no doubt, get flamed by jerks who don't carefully read your statement.......but....you have it exactly right!
7 posted on 02/21/2004 1:43:50 PM PST by JimVT
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To: demlosers
Action is need oink, oink, er Arnold. Rhetoric is worthless.

Poor Arnold is sympathetic to gays and really doesn't want to do anything about this. He's your typical LIBERALtarian who is fiscally conservative and socially LIBERAL. Even for a Catholic ... his acceptance of this is obscene and that is what he is doing with his NOT taking action.
8 posted on 02/21/2004 1:46:42 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: camas
does anyone know how much money SF has made off of these trick??

Someone posted on another thread yesterday that it was $250,000+. That ain't a whole lot of money. Probably didn't even cover cost of keeping gov't open to perform these unions.

9 posted on 02/21/2004 1:49:41 PM PST by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: XHogPilot
I have nothing against gay people marrying. A gay man has an equal right to marry a woman as a heterosexual man. The same applies for a lesbian woman marrying a man. However, gays should not have any special rights. A gay man has no more right to marry another man than I do to polygamy.

Exactly correct.

To illustrate the truth of you comments, the polygamists in rural Utah are using precisely the same arguments as the homosexual mafia in their legal battles.

10 posted on 02/21/2004 1:51:17 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Man rises to greatness if greatness is expected of him)
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To: XHogPilot
You have it exactly right...

Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The homers have been denied the right to marry with due process of the law. They are protected under the established laws to marry as defined by due process.

11 posted on 02/21/2004 1:52:51 PM PST by telebob
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To: demlosers
Some conservatives have said that Republican President Bush, who is running for re-election this year, will push to amend the U.S. constitution to ban gay marriage. Sen. John Kerry, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination to run against Bush, is from Massachusetts.

Notice something interesting here? All they say about Kerry is that he is from Massachussetts. Nothing about his position. Very stark omission!

12 posted on 02/21/2004 1:56:20 PM PST by jwalburg (We CAN Question their Patriotism!)
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To: XHogPilot
A gay man could marry a lesbian also, so two gay people could marry each other if they wanted.
13 posted on 02/21/2004 1:57:47 PM PST by jwalburg (We CAN Question their Patriotism!)
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To: camas
does anyone know how much money SF has made off of these trick??

Here's the thread, Gay marriages bring big bucks to San Francisco business.

This little announcement is making the email rounds among the loony left (I saw it on a college alumni discussion board):

Today a coworker of mine had a thought to send flowers to a random couple waiting in line at SF city hall. He called a florist and they agreed to do it. He told them to deliver to any couple -- it didn't matter who -- standing in line to get married, with his blessing. The card will read simply "With love, from Minneapolis, Minnesota."

Once they understood, they were very touched and thought it was a great idea. He told another co-worker who did the same thing. And now we want to start a movement. Wouldn't that be cool if people from all over the country, gay, straight and otherwise, started sending flowers to the people waiting in line to get married.

Call it it Flowers from the Heartland. Call it whatever you want, but help us get this off the ground. Call Flowers on the Bay at 888-217-9119 and order a bouquet to be delivered tomorrow at noon. And Tell all of your friends to do it.

Because straight or gay, we believe and we know many people who believe, support and celebrate the right to marriage. And we'd like to show it. We'd like to see all of the people standing in line with flowers of support from all over the country.

PS. Flowers on the Bay seems like a small shop and might get overwhelmed if this really did catch on. I have a feeling that any Bay-Area flower shop, perhaps even doing FTD through your local florist, could work.

14 posted on 02/21/2004 2:01:09 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Gee, I wonder how much a dozen black roses costs?
15 posted on 02/21/2004 2:36:14 PM PST by upchuck (Ta-ray-za now gets to execute her "maiming of choice." I'm hoping for eye gouging, how 'bout you?)
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To: mountaineer
Gee, I wonder how much a dozen black roses costs?
16 posted on 02/21/2004 2:36:16 PM PST by upchuck (Ta-ray-za now gets to execute her "maiming of choice." I'm hoping for eye gouging, how 'bout you?)
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To: upchuck
Sorry about the double post. My finger slipped. Yeah, yeah, what a cheap excuse :)
17 posted on 02/21/2004 2:37:07 PM PST by upchuck (Ta-ray-za now gets to execute her "maiming of choice." I'm hoping for eye gouging, how 'bout you?)
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To: upchuck

I am a Narcissist!

Since the law now appears to be whatever you want, and since I am a narcissist deeply in love with myself, can I go to California and marry myself? Otherwise that would imply discrimination against singly love enable people. I want my rights upheld!

18 posted on 02/21/2004 2:52:16 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: umgud
Probably didn't even cover cost of keeping gov't open to perform these unions.

I think most, if not all, of the people that stayed at work over last weekend volunteered their time.
19 posted on 02/21/2004 3:09:46 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: FormerACLUmember
Why stop there? Newsom will just promote himself from Emperor of California to Emperor of the United States.
20 posted on 02/21/2004 3:11:59 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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