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Grand Blanc considers adding Bible, creationism to curriculum
mLive ^ | February 09, 2004 | Bob Wheaton

Posted on 02/10/2004 7:38:38 PM PST by yonif

Grand Blanc - Creationism and the Bible would be taught in Grand Blanc public schools under separate proposals that school officials said they will consider.

Superintendent Gary Lipe also has approached other Genesee County school chiefs to ask them to consider jointly offering an online course on the Bible as literature or history.

Lipe and other school officials said it's possible to teach about the religious topics in a nonreligious way, but a spokeswoman for the ACLU said it would likely challenge the school district in court.

"We know the Bible cannot be taught as theology in public schools," Lipe said. "It can be taught as history and literature through a humanities perspective."

As for creationism, Lipe said he's unsure if the district would spend as much time teaching it as evolution - as requested in a petition signed by about 85 high school students.

"I'm sitting here saying, How much evidence is there (for creationism), and how do you go about doing that, and is there enough to justify equal treatment?' " Lipe said. "I don't know. We'll have to look into it."

Wendy Wagenheim, spokeswoman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan, said the organization is watching the situation in Grand Blanc. She said the ACLU had already heard of the Bible proposal but not about the creationism request.

"The teaching of creationism is an issue that the ACLU watches very carefully, and we hope that the school board will act wisely," Wagenheim said. "(The Bible curriculum) is clearly a religious curriculum and should be taught in church if they want to teach it, but not in public schools."

Wagenheim said the ACLU is familiar with the Bible curriculum that Grand Blanc is considering, and the group has successfully challenged it in other states.

But Lipe said the school district isn't considering any particular curriculum.

He said he proposed the online Bible class to county school chiefs during a meeting last week because the number of students who would sign up in individual schools might not be enough to justify scheduling the course.

Kelly Edwards, a junior at Grand Blanc High School, submitted the creationism petition to the Board of Education last week . She said her teacher mentioned creationism in her biology class, but she thought it deserved as much attention as evolution.

"Just the basics - God created the heavens and the earth," she said. "There's a lot of things that just don't make sense about evolution, things that are missing, things that can't be explained."

Edwards is the daughter of Susan Edwards, a school board member who said she supports her daughter but wasn't responsible for her decision to collect signatures.

"She didn't do this because of my beliefs," Edwards said. "I've read pretty extensively on evolution, and there's some holes in it. I'm not sure it has the weight that people give it."

Dr. Robert Bouvier, a Grand Blanc parent who proposed the Bible curriculum to the school board last month, couldn't be reached for comment.

According to minutes from the January school board meeting, Bouvier said 35 states have adopted a Bible curriculum in their schools. Lipe spoke at a Jan. 24 "Religious Expression in Schools" conference that Bouvier also attended.

Clio Superintendent Fay Latture attended the same conference. Latture said she's a Sunday school teacher, but wants to make sure any Bible course is legal.

She said Lipe's proposal for online courses through GenNet went over well during the Thursday meeting of county superintendents, but that more work needs to be done to find an appropriate curriculum.

"No one's interested in breaking the law or the separation of church and state or the establishment clause (of the Constitution)," she said.

Lipe said a curriculum subcommittee of the superintendents' group will discuss components of the Bible curriculum and materials that could be used. It's likely one school district would sponsor the course, with others allowed to sign up their student to take it online.

Approval of curriculum changes usually takes about a year, he said.

Grand Blanc's school board is interested in considering both the creationism and Bible proposals, Lipe said.

All proposed curriculum changes are reviewed by teachers who serve on the district's advisory council, Lipe said.

Grand Blanc and the ACLU have been at odds previously. The ACLU and a former student challenged the school district's student-athlete drug-testing policy, but a Genesee circuit judge ruled last year that the policy was allowable under the Michigan Constitution.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: bible; creationism; curriculum; education; god; humanities; scienceeducation

1 posted on 02/10/2004 7:38:40 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
The myth of evolution came from an old Babylonian religion. If you look at an embryo, you'll see at first a human looks like a fish ( the arms and legs look like fins), then it looks like a lizard (it has a tail), then moves onto a monkey-like figure, then human form. The Babylonians saw the miscarriages of their day, and assumed man came from a fish. That's where Darwin probably got the idea. He was an Atheist, and detested the concept of morality like his Marxist followers today.
Who says which religion is correct? The pagans and their fish people, or the Christians and their creator of the human species?
The ACLU has the right to choose our beliefs for us? Who are they to "know" exactly where man kind came from? Were they there? Unless the ACLU was there to know the truth, they should have no argument over how it actually happened. All sides should be considered.
2 posted on 02/10/2004 8:05:01 PM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: yonif
The ACLU is bigoted. They discriminate against a certain group of the American populace to support their own fascist agenda. They use litigation via activist judges to get their dictations obeyed.
Years ago, the Jew was the scapegoat. Today, the fascists have targeted the Christians.
3 posted on 02/10/2004 8:13:39 PM PST by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: yonif
Get your kids out of that school system asap. Creationism as sicience...man what has American come to? Next we'll be teching dancing around a fire and smoking pot as an equivilant medical degree (witch doctor)!
4 posted on 02/10/2004 8:44:21 PM PST by USMMA_83
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To: yonif
SPOTREP
5 posted on 02/10/2004 10:22:20 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: yonif
This in Genessee Couty???!!!
6 posted on 02/11/2004 9:49:34 AM PST by Dan from Michigan (Hey John F'n Kerry - "WE WILL WE WILL ROCK YOU!!!!!")
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To: Dan from Michigan
Make that Genesee County
7 posted on 02/11/2004 9:50:13 AM PST by Dan from Michigan (Hey John F'n Kerry - "WE WILL WE WILL ROCK YOU!!!!!")
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