Selling Homosexuality to America

Further, NAMBLA is despised by most of the homosexual community.

Maybe in public. In private, it's a different matter. If you press most gays, they'll tell you that they think the age of consent ought to be lowered... to 12 or lower.

Occasionally, when I want to go shopping, I express Narcissistic Personality Disorder (DSM 301.81), and overindulge in expensive clothing. The Big Guy, seeing the checkbook, experiences a Partner Relational Problem (DSM V61.1), expresses his displeasure via Oppositional Defiant Disorder (DSM 312.81), and goes out and buys himself something expensive, too! I then pout, and allow my Avoidant Personality Disorder (DSM 301.82) to surface. Finally, we both figure out that our Adult Antisocial Behavior (DSM V71.01) is just another Phase of Life Problem (DSM V62.89), and chalk the whole thing up to an Impulse-Control Disorder (DSM 312.30).

P.S. I never could balance that darned checkbook (Mathematics Disorder DSM 315.1) The shrinks would have a field day with me, I guess!

Don't read too much into this; it's late and I'm tired (and I don't know the DSM billing code for that one.)

The vast majority are simply cultural relativists--many of whom have serious "issues" themselves. These are NOT the kind of folks I want defining what is or is not a mental illness.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/720282/posts?page=84#84 (see comment about Division 44 at end of reply)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/720282/posts?page=96#96

Thanks!

... they'll tell you that they think the age of consent ought to be lowered... to 12 or lower

Documented in reply 26 above.

... any piece that apparently advocates for homosexuality to have remained in the DSM is a bit much for me... I've got issues with Gay Marriage and such, but...

Why?

"note to gays: you've had your day in the sun. now get back in the closet"

How I wish it was that easy.

But of course, the author didn't mention that. Nor did the author mention that hundreds of studies over 20 years were looked at and debated and discussed before the decision was made.

Let's look at what MIT Psychologist, Gerald E. Zuriff, Ph.D has to say:
Psychology's sexual dis-orientation

"Although the gay liberation movement's arguments were based mostly on the social implications of the diagnosis, the board tried to limit its consideration to scientific and medical arguments. The "scientific" considerations were based on two kinds of evidence. One was a body of research strongly pointing to a major biological basis for homosexuality. This included ethological studies finding homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom, cross-cultural investigations indicating homosexuality is a human universal (and in some cultures, socially accepted), and neuroendocrinological studies showing the effects of hormones on brain development. The implication was that homosexuality is not simply the result of childhood trauma. It is neither freely chosen nor "unnatural."
The more important evidence came from psychological studies of gay men and lesbians in the general population. A major criticism of pathological theories of homosexuality was that they were derived from observations of homosexual patients who were seeking professional help. Not surprisingly, they found that homosexuality was closely associated with a variety of psychopathologies. However, when nonpatient homosexual populations were studied, it was found that many homosexual adults were leading well-adjusted, fulfilling lives. In general, homosexuality was not associated with any increased incidence of psychopathology.
Neither of these bodies of evidence is decisive. To be sure, findings supporting a biological contribution to homosexuality undermine the early psychoanalytic explanations. But the evidence is not all in, and even today it is too early to prejudge the issue. More important, even if homosexuality is shown to be genetically based, biological determination does not preclude a condition from being a disorder or from being treated. Some forms of depression and anxiety are known to have biological causes but are nevertheless considered psychiatric disorders and are often effectively treated, both biologically and psychologically.
The second argument, that homosexuality is not associated with other conditions recognized as psychopathologies, also falls short. It begs the question as to whether homosexuality in and of itself is a psychopathology. From the fact that a person can be perfectly healthy except for a broken bone, we would not argue that fractures are not medical problems. One could just as well argue that because many people with phobic anxieties manage to cope well, live full lives, and show no symptoms other than their narrowly focused anxiety, phobias are not psychopathologies. Furthermore, several of the disorders retained in DSMII also do not necessarily involve subjective distress (e.g., fetishism).
The scientific evidence is not decisive because it is irrelevant. Whether something is a psychopathology can be judged only relative to standards of mental health, and these, in turn, depend on our societal conceptions of healthy functioning, the good life, and the purposes of human existence. What is considered healthy functioning in one society may be viewed as an illness in another. Clearly, there is an evaluative dimension in deciding what is healthy and what is a disorder, and this dimension involves our deepest values as a society. Science can provide information, but it cannot decide questions of values. It can tell us what we are, not how we ought to be. Psychopathology is thus necessarily a matter of social construction, subject to historical, cultural, as well as political forces.

They ain't selling there cramming this crap down America's throat

It is also a hard sell. Ever notice that in a debate between a pro and anti gay topic, the pro gay guest is usually rude, nasty, obnoxious, trying to put down the opponent by "quips," saying the other person must be gay because he/she is not "secure" and "comfortable in their skin", et al. The most prevalent attack method in their debate, after using "hater" and "bigot," is to attempt to turn the tables around and make the opponent possibly unsure of their sexuality. It is all psychology and nastiness.

The gays online are also known to go to conservative or christian forums and spam the crap out of them until

(1) they get a TOS [terms of service] rep to ban the person they think is making "homophobic" remarks

(2) they get a thread they hate deleted or hidden from view.

(3) they shut the website down entirely (that is what occured in 2001, when Delphiforum's "Fox News National and Views" forums were shut down after an attack in January by gays consistantly making reference to VP Dick Cheney's daughter, and threatening the brass. Fox did not want to get bad PR so they took their forums off the Delphi system).

(4) they persecute the anti gays with "trolls," to harass him or her until he/she had enough and leaves the forums entirely.

The gay lobby is full of scheming and plotting BULLIES with vicious attitudes who are FORCING their lifestyle on us.

...believe me, the issue of gay marriage and its attempts at legalization on the state level was calculated NOT to enduce "tolerance", but "acceptance" and worst of all "edification of the masses."

PS: They are petty and have an obsession with grammar and spelling and will harp on that, instead of the contents of a post.

I am a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner and a Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner.

Perhaps you'd be interested in this article:

Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered A Disorder On The Basis Of Its Medical Consequences? by By Kathleen Melonakos, M.A., R.N.

I do know that the DSM is backed up by very good science, and that there are very good reasons why homosexuality is not a diagnosis.

Then why was homosexuality originally included? Was the science not so good before a certain point? If so, what was the watershed event?

Please be specific. You wave the word "science" like a magic wand, but anyone familiar with the history of science knows the principle and the practice are seldom equally pristine.

I know that NAMBLA has marched in many gay pride parades. To say the gays "despise" this group is a laugh.

When I bought up Jesse Dunkhursing in another forum (for anyone who does not know, he was the young boy raped and murdered by two gay men) and the David Curley incident in Boston (the gay who killed this boy was a member of NAMBLA) they claim that this poor 11 year old boy was gay himself and came to them under his own free will! This is why I once tolerated homosexuality but now am less apt to do so.

"The APA leadership was co-opted and through political maneuvering a resolution was put forth. Of the 30,000 APA members only a third responded to the resolution and the DSM change was adopted. Concurrently, the author asserts that the NGTF (National Gay Task Force) paid for a mass mailing urging a "yes" vote on the subject to all members."

TJ: You can also add that the reason why homosexuality was dropped from list of mental illnesses in 1973 was that the gay lobby disrupted their hearings for years to get it removed, and there were so many gay psychiatrists by that time that that was a goner anyway!

If people would just admit homosexuality is a mental illness, maybe curable, maybe not, there would be more compassion with them. To turn this into a "lifestyle" is a calculated effort to induce "acceptance" by the larger straight world.

I do know that the DSM is backed up by very good science, and that there are very good reasons why homosexuality is not a diagnosis.

Would you please cite the specific articles from the refereed journals that have this information? Thanks.

I just pointed that out as well, LJ (the 1973 dropping of homosexuality from the list of mental disorders.) Did you know that some members of the APA are now attempting to take pedophilia off the list as well?

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Mass. Supreme Court Rules - Gay Couples have the Right to Marry

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Throughout history, the major civilizations major religions condemned homosexuality.¹ Until 1961 homosexual acts were illegal throughout America.

Gays claim that the "prevailing attitude toward homosexuals in the U.S. and many other countries is revulsion and hostility....for acts and desires not harmful to anyone."³The American Psychological Association and the American Public Health Association assured the U.S. Supreme Court in 1986 that "no significant data show that engaging in...oral and anal sex, results in mental or physical dysfunction."⁴

What Homosexuals Do

The major surveys on homosexual behavior are summarized below. Two things stand out 1) homosexuals behave similarly world-over, and 2) as Harvard Medical Professor, Dr. William Haseltine,³³ noted in 1993, the "changes in sexual behavior that have been reported to have occurred in some groups have proved, for the most part, to be transient. For example, bath houses and sex clubs in many cities have either reopened or were never closed."

Homosexual Activities (in %)

		US¹⁶ US¹³US    US¹⁸ Denmark²⁰ US¹⁹  London²⁷  Sydney/London²⁶                                                            Canada²⁵                                                      
		1940s1977 83/84  1983  1984   1983    1985       1991                       
		ever ever  ever in yr in yr  in mo   in mo   last 6mo                                                                                  
oral/penile       83   99  100/99  99    86             67                 
anal/penile       68   91   93/98  95    92     95     100                 
oral/anal         59   83   92/92  63           69      89       55/65       
urine sex         10   23    29/                                              
fisting/toys      22   41/47 34                                       
fecal sex-eating        4     8                                                       
enemas        	       11    11                                               
torture sex       22   37    37                                              
public/orgy sex   61   76    88                                               
sex with minors   37   23    24/

ORAL SEX Homosexuals fellate almost all of their sexual contacts (and ingest semen from about half of these). Semen contains many of the germs carried in the blood. Because of this, gays who practice oral sex verge on consuming raw human blood, with all its medical risks. Since the penis often has tiny lesions (and often will have been in unsanitary places such as a rectum), individuals so involved may become infected with hepatitis A or gonorrhea (and even HIV and hepatitis B). Since many contacts occur between strangers (70% of gays estimated that they had had sex only once with over half of their partners^17,27), and gays average somewhere between 106 and 1105 different partners/year, the potential for infection is considerable.

RECTAL SEX Surveys indicate that about 90% of gays have engaged in rectal intercourse, and about two-thirds do it regularly. In a 6-month long study of daily sexual diaries,³ gays averaged 110 sex partners and 68 rectal encounters a year.

Rectal sex is dangerous. During rectal intercourse the rectum becomes a mixing bowl for 1) saliva and its germs and/or an artificial lubricant, 2) the recipient's own feces, 3) whatever germs, infections or substances the penis has on it, and 4) the seminal fluid of the inserter. Since sperm readily penetrate the rectal wall (which is only one cell thick) causing immunologic damage, and tearing or bruising of the anal wall is very common during anal/penile sex, these substances gain almost direct access to the blood stream. Unlike heterosexual intercourse (in which sperm cannot penetrate the multilayered vagina and no feces are present),⁷ rectal intercourse is probably the most sexually efficient way to spread hepatitis B, HIV syphilis and a host of other blood-borne diseases.

Tearing or ripping of the anal wall is especially likely with "fisting," where the hand and arm is inserted into the rectum. It is also common when "toys" are employed (homosexual lingo for objects which are inserted into the rectum--bottles, carrots, even gerbils⁸). The risk of contamination and/or having to wear a colostomy bag from such "sport" is very real. Fisting was apparently so rare in Kinsey's time that he didn't think to talk about it. By 1977, well over a third of gays admitted to doing it. The rectum was not designed to accommodate the fist, and those who do so can find themselves consigned to diapers for life.

FECAL SEX About 80% of gays (see Table) admit to licking and/or inserting their tongues into the anus of partners and thus ingesting medically significant amounts of feces. Those who eat or wallow in it are probably at even greater risk. In the diary study,⁵ 70% of the gays had engaged in this activity--half regularly over 6 months. Result? --the "annual incidence of hepatitis A in...homosexual men was 22 percent, whereas no heterosexual men acquired hepatitis A." In 1992,²⁶ it was noted that the proportion of London gays engaging in oral/anal sex had not declined since 1984.

While the body has defenses against fecal germs, exposure to the fecal discharge of dozens of strangers each year is extremely unhealthy. Ingestion of human waste is the major route of contracting hepatitis A and the enteric parasites collectively known as the Gay Bowel Syndrome. Consumption of feces has also been implicated in the transmission of typhoid fever,⁹ herpes, and cancer.²⁷ About 10% of gays have eaten or played with [e.g., enemas, wallowing in feces]. The San Francisco Department of Public Health saw 75,000 patients per year, of whom 70 to 80 per cent are homosexual men....An average of 10 per cent of all patients and asymptomatic contacts reported...because of positive fecal samples or cultures for amoeba, giardia, and shigella infections were employed as food handlers in public establishments; almost 5 per cent of those with hepatitis A were similarly employed."¹⁰ In 1976, a rare airborne scarlet fever broke out among gays and just missed sweeping through San Francisco.¹⁰ The U.S. Centers for Disease Control reported that 29% of the hepatitis A cases in Denver, 66% in New York, 50% in San Francisco, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal and 26% in Melbourne in the first six months of 1991 were among gays.¹¹ A 1982 study "suggested that some transmission from the homosexual group to the general population may have occurred."¹²

URINE SEX About 10% of Kinsey's gays reported having engaged in "golden showers" [drinking or being splashed with urine]. In the largest survey of gays ever conducted,¹³ 23% admitted to urine-sex. In the largest random survey of gays,⁶ 29% reported urine-sex. In a San Francisco study of 655 gays,¹⁴ only 24% claimed to have been monogamous in the past year. Of these monogamous gays, 5% drank urine, 7% practiced "fisting," 33% ingested feces via anal/oral contact, 53% swallowed semen, and 59% received semen in their rectum during the previous month.

OTHER GAY SEX PRACTICES

SADOMASOCHISM as the Table indicates, a large minority of gays engage in torture for sexual fun. Sex with minors 25% of white gays¹⁷ admitted to sex with boys 16 or younger as adults. In a 9-state study,³⁰ 33% of the 181 male, and 22% of the 18 female teachers caught molesting students did so homosexually (though less than 3% of men and 2% of women engage in homosexuality³¹). Depending on the study, the percent of gays reporting sex in public restrooms ranged from 14%¹⁶ to 41%¹³ to 66%,⁶ 9%¹⁶, 60%¹³ and 67%⁵ reported sex in gay baths; 64%¹⁶ and 90%¹⁸ said that they used illegal drugs.

Fear of AIDS may have reduced the volume of gay sex partners, but the numbers are prodigious by any standard. Morin¹⁵ reported that 824 gays had lowered their sex-rate from 70 different partners/yr. in 1982 to 50/yr. by 1984. McKusick¹⁴ reported declines from 76/yr. to 47/yr. in 1985. In Spain³² the average was 42/yr. in 1989.

Medical Consequences of Homosexual Sex

Death and disease accompany promiscuous and unsanitary sexual activity. 70%25 to 78%x,¹³ of gays reported having had a sexually transmitted disease. The proportion with intestinal parasites (worms, flukes, amoeba) ranged from 25%¹⁸ to 39%¹⁹ to 59%.²⁰ As of 1992, 83% of U.S. AIDS in whites had occurred in gays.²¹ The Seattle sexual diary study³? reported that gays had, on a yearly average:

fellated 108 men and swallowed semen from 48;
exchanged saliva with 96;
experienced 68 penile penetrations of the anus; and
ingested fecal material from 19.

No wonder 10% came down with hepatitis B and 7% contracted hepatitis A during the 6-month study.

Effects on the Lifespan

Smokers and drug addicts don't live as long as non-smokers or non-addicts, so we consider smoking and narcotics abuse harmful. The typical life-span of homosexuals suggests that their activities are more destructive than smoking nd as dangerous as drugs.

Obituaries numbering 6,516 from 16 U.S. homosexual journals over the past 12 years were compared to a large sample of obituaries from regular newspapers.²³ The obituaries from the regular newspapers were similar to U.S. averages for longevity; the medium age of death of married men was 75, and 80% of them died old (age 65 or older). For unmarried or divorced men the median age of death was 57, and 32% of them died old. Married women averaged age 79 at death; 85% died old. Unmarried and divorced women averaged age 71, and 60% of them died old.

The median age of death for homosexuals, however, was virtually the same nationwide--and, overall, less than 2% survived to old age. If AIDS was the cause of death, the median age was 39. For the 829 gays who died of something other than AIDS, the median age of death was 42, and 9% died old. The 163 lesbians had a median age of death of 44, and 20% died old.

Two and eight-tenths percent (2.8%) of gays died violently. They were 116 times more apt to be murdered; 24 times more apt to commit suicide; and had a traffic-accident death-rate 18 times the rate of comparably-aged white males. Heart attacks, cancer and liver failure were exceptionally common. Twenty percent of lesbians died of murder, suicide, or accident--a rate 487 times higher than that of white females aged 25-44. The age distribution of samples of homosexuals in the scientific literature from 1989 to 1992 suggests a similarly shortened life-span.

The Gay Legacy

Homosexuals rode into the dawn of sexual freedom and returned with a plague that gives every indication of destroying most of them. Those who treat AIDS patients are at great risk, not only from HIV infection, which as of 1992 involved over 100 health care workers,²¹ but also from TB and new strains of other diseases.²⁴ Those who are housed with AIDS patients are also at risk.²⁴ Those who are housed with AIDS patients are also at risk.²⁴ Dr. Max Essex, chair of the Harvard AIDS Institute, warned congress in 1992 that "AIDS has already led to other kinds of dangerous epidemics...If AIDS is not eliminated, other new lethal microbes will emerge, and neither safe sex nor drug free practices will prevent them."²⁸ At least 8, and perhaps as many as 30 ²⁹ patients had been infected with HIV by health care workers as of 1992.

The Biological Swapmeet

The typical sexual practices of homosexuals are a medical horror story --imagine exchanging saliva, feces, semen and/or blood with dozens of different men each year. Imagine drinking urine, ingesting feces and experiencing rectal trauma on a regular basis. Often these encounters occur while the participants are drunk, high, and/or in an orgy setting. Further, many of them occur in extremely unsanitary places (bathrooms, dirty peep shows), or, because homosexuals travel so frequently, in other parts of the world.

Every year, a quarter or more of homosexuals visit another country.²⁰Fresh American germs get taken to Europe, Africa and Asia. And fresh pathogens from these continents come here. Foreign homosexuals regularly visit the U.S. and participate in this biological swapmeet.

The Pattern of Infection

Unfortunately the danger of these exchanges does not merely affect homosexuals. Travelers carried so many tropical diseases to New York City that it had to institute a tropical disease center, and gays carried HIV from New York City to the rest of the world.²⁷ Most of the 6,349 Americans who got AIDS from contaminated blood as of 1992, received it from homosexuals and most of the women in California who got AIDS through heterosexual activity got it from men who engaged in homosexual behavior.²³ The rare form of airborne scarlet fever that stalked San Francisco in 1976 also started among homosexuals.¹⁰

Genuine Compassion

Society is legitimately concerned with health risks-- they impact our taxes and everyone's chances of illness and injury. Because we care about them, smokers are discouraged from smoking by higher insurance premiums, taxes on cigarettes and bans against smoking in public. These social pressures cause many to quit. They likewise encourage non-smokers to stay non-smokers.

Homosexuals are sexually troubled people engaging in dangerous activities. Because we care about them and those tempted to join them, it is important that we neither encourage nor legitimize such a destructive lifestyle.

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If people would just admit homosexuality is a mental illness, maybe curable, maybe not, there would be more compassion with them.

What's the basis for admitting it's a mental illness?

Thanks for the info!