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To: Elle Bee
I wish I could find the comment by a thoughtful FReeper on one of the Super Bowl Boob threads. It pointed out the mother of all ironies. The same folks who produce this trash are generally the ones who hate W and are against the War on Terroism. At the same time, those who want us dead, want us dead because of the folks who produce this trash.

2 posted on 02/04/2004 3:14:00 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
At the same time, those who want us dead, want us dead because of the folks who produce this trash.

Yep, and the world's eyes were on us Sunday night.

3 posted on 02/04/2004 3:18:32 AM PST by The Duke
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To: leadpenny
I guess it was to be expected that all of the media would focus on the "breast" when in fact the whole damn half time show was pathetic. It really makes you despair about the future.

MoodyBlu

4 posted on 02/04/2004 3:21:46 AM PST by MoodyBlu
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To: leadpenny
That is a profound irony.
5 posted on 02/04/2004 3:22:11 AM PST by leadpencil1
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To: leadpenny
those who want us dead, want us dead because of the folks who produce this trash.

I'm afraid you're right. MTV USA promotes a sort of debased trash that no sane person would want in their home, either here or abroad. It's quite perverse.

But MTV produces separate regional feeds for Europe, SE Asia, and South Asia which do NOT stoop to the same carnal level as MTV USA. Entirely different formats, "DJs", music, and cultural approaches.

MTV Europe still has the semi-artsy sense of the original MTV; MTV Singapore is cutesy adolescent (the most daring thing I saw recently was an MTV Singapore host asking to be kicked in the butt in public, and everyone was wearing their clothes); MTV India is into silliness and yuk yuks.

Unfortunately, the trashiest and most perverse MTV material is reserved for American youth, by huge and inarguable margin. Along with the unique and healthy dose of gangsta rap which is not shown on any other MTV regional outlet.

7 posted on 02/04/2004 3:41:35 AM PST by angkor
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To: leadpenny
The same folks who produce this trash are generally the ones who hate W and are against the War on Terrorism. At the same time, those who want us dead, want us dead because of the folks who produce this trash.

This was exactly what went thru my mind when I witnessed the boober bowl halftime show. I also thought that the radical muslims will be all the more incited due to the incident happening at the climax of EID.

11 posted on 02/04/2004 3:52:59 AM PST by mylife
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To: leadpenny
"the mother of all ironies."

Satan is nothing if not subtle.
13 posted on 02/04/2004 4:05:10 AM PST by dsc
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To: leadpenny
We're pretty sure the kids will survive it, but we're less sanguine about the long-term effects of the daily sex diet that Ms. McGrath is feeding poorly supervised youngsters.

I think many folks will be surprised to read the following information. It seems as if the daily sex diet is more interesting to one group of poorly supervised youngsters, than it is to other groups. What is the agenda of Ms. McGrath and VIACOM?

Excerpt from an USATODAY article:

SOURCE: http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2003-04-15-black-white_x.htm

15 posted on 02/04/2004 4:11:52 AM PST by ResistorSister (The Dems are being given enough rope to hang themselves.)
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To: leadpenny
Remember only a short time ago when Peter Jennings decided it wouldn't be proper for Toby Keith's Angry American song? What is Peter's opinion on Super Bowel?
18 posted on 02/04/2004 4:20:13 AM PST by 6AL-4V
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To: leadpenny
those who want us dead, want us dead because of the folks who produce this trash.

Not to defend MTV, but those who want us dead want us dead because they want us dead. Hollyweid is only one manifestation of why we are the infidels.

They want us dead because they are uncivilized murderous barbarians. They don't respect life, not even their own. Don't forget that.

That said, it is ironic that "the same folks who produce this trash are generally the ones who hate W and are against the War on Terrorism" and the terrorists would revel in killing them.

20 posted on 02/04/2004 4:28:28 AM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: leadpenny; Miss Marple
The same folks who produce this trash are generally the ones who hate W and are against the War on Terroism. At the same time, those who want us dead, want us dead because of the folks who produce this trash.

The subculture [which is more and more prominent in the US] which hates W hates and the War, and wants our foreign policy U-turned into a globalist erasure of national boundaries and all that makes America distinctive, also wants W's tax hikes to fail and people to lose jobs so W will not be re-elected. This crowd also directs the media and the entertainment industries. Their direction is aimed at an essential part of the same agenda: undermining the sesne of masculinity in young men so that self-control and the transcendance of sensual and sexual impulses is marginalized. This is why Heffner and the playboy philosophy was always intrincsically related to the leftward tilt in politics. [This is the real reason for the assault against men meeting in private, witness the attack on the boy scouts, private clubs, etc. The whole point is to destroy masculine identity. This is why the all-boys school has been eliminated. Even the supposed champions of the blacks will not allow an all boys school in the ghetto. The left fears masculine purpose and identity above all else. This is why it tries to smear any meeting of men as potentially homosexual. The left's use of homosexuality is a large topic. ]

[ A distraction which obscures seeing this is the fact that healthy masculine sexuality, of course, involves the exercise of sensuality and sexuality. It is the loss of self and purpose in sensual excess that the playboy philosophy (and the leftist counterculture's attack on western purpose, especially transcending purposes) espouses as the new "ideal". ]

The complicated fact here is that the trend of western civilization has in recent modernity been engaged in a self-critique of its purposes, which has cut the moorings out from under much of the ordinary [institutional] cultural guidelines. This chaotic usurpation of masculine purpose appears to the Islamist as a destructive and sinful exhibition. From the simple-minded Islamist point of view, this is why the West should be destroyed. Accordingly, the West's cultural influence is the most alarming and terrible thing that could happen.

Regretfully, the West's self-critique has been subject to being appropriated and subverted by the post-modernist [leftist] fakirs who have captured the western academic structure. Nonetheless, the critical impulse of the west is its only salvation. This fact creates a terrible tension between the traditionalists [of both Islamist and Christian culture] and the critical rationalists. Largely, the traditionalists want to take the fruit of an earlier age of rationalist spiritual inquiry and solidify those fruits by a mistaken intolerance to critique. The post-modernists [essentially leftist] try to opportunistically profit off of the clash of tradition and modernity and cynically cheer chaos in all its forms. This is why the left paradoxically supports the Palestinians, the Jihadists and the totalitarians of every stripe--who would instantly wipe out the left if they had power.

This is the underlying basis for the paradox which is described in the post. The terrorists hate us for our cultural left which hates us for warring on the terrorists. The left hates this war, most of all, because it and W as its symbol, represent a restoration of masculine purpose. That purpose is of debatable depth, however, and the depth of the restoration is open to the same question. In any case, the left knows what it must fear. That is why the commercials at the super bowl, and of course more widely, continually undermine men and have these almost obligatory shots to the male crotch and references to toilet paper and other bowel functions [ these delinquents are always pushing their limits, witness the horse fart]. These aims of the left often hook up with and subvert other unrelated movements: liberalism, feminism, civil rights, legal reform, ....

There are no perfect vehicles in this world and W is certainly not perfect. However, we do need to recognize what's what and where the essential forces are. The left will use any instrument of confusion to evoke chaos. Hence the media is its most useful and most cynical weapon. The attacks are never consistent and do not need to be. A thousand cuts are its goal. Thus the left would never change course if you were to show it that the terrorists would line them up first if they were to win. Individuals, of course, are a different story than any abstration such as "the left". But individuals have many motives and rational self-critique [and thereby, self-knowledge] is usually not a very strong motive.

37 posted on 02/04/2004 6:23:23 AM PST by ontos-on
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To: leadpenny
"those who want us dead, want us dead because of the folks who produce this trash."

The Muslim terrorists who want us dead, want us dead because we are not Muslim period. However, this type of behavior does not help.
45 posted on 02/04/2004 6:48:47 AM PST by PreviouslyA-Lurker
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To: leadpenny
Good point...If you find the comment please ping me.
61 posted on 02/04/2004 7:03:03 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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