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Russia Says 'No' to Nuclear Fusion Plant in Japan
Yahoo! ^ | Thursday, January 15, 2004 | Reuters

Posted on 01/16/2004 3:56:05 PM PST by Willie Green

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia on Thursday declined Japanese pleas to back Tokyo's bid to host a disputed nuclear fusion reactor as the global contest for the multi-billion project threatened to hurt relations among the participants.

Japan and France are vying for the right to build the world's first such reactor, but the six members of the joint venture have so far failed to agree on the site. The plant would generate energy the same way the sun does.

Russia and China favor the French site of Cadarache. South Korea and the United States -- in a move seen in Paris as a bid to punish it for opposing the U.S.-led war in Iraq -- back Japan's fishing village of Rokkasho.

Japanese Science Minister Takeo Kawamura was in Moscow on Thursday for closed-door talks with Russia's nuclear top brass, but was given a firm 'no' mixed with diplomatic politeness from the Russian side, a source in Russia's Atomic Energy Ministry said.

"Our position is clear. They haven't been able to convince us, although we were really nice to them today," the source told Reuters after talks between Kawamura and Russian Atomic Energy Minister Alexander Rumyantsev.

"The French site is cheaper and thus more acceptable."

The decision on the $12 billion project, due to be taken by consensus among the participants of the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER), has been postponed until February.

Russia's staunch refusal could undermine the recently warming relations between Moscow and Tokyo. The two countries remain technically at war, with Russia refusing Japan's demand to return four small islands in the Far East seized in the final days of World War II.

Nuclear fusion has been touted as a solution to the world's energy problems, as it would be low in pollution and could theoretically use seawater as fuel.

Fusion involves sticking atomic particles together as opposed to existing nuclear reactors and weapons which produce energy by splitting atoms apart. Fifty years of research have so far failed to produce a commercially viable fusion reactor.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; Russia
KEYWORDS: energy; fusion; globalism; nuclear; nuclearfusion; nyet
Nuclear fusion is at least another 20 years away.
It was 20 years away 20 years ago and will probably still be 20 years away 20 years from now.
And with international "cooperation", it'll likely be ANOTHER 20 years behind schedule even AFTER it becomes feasible.

All the more reason we need to go our own way and build more state-of-the-art conventional nukes NOW.

1 posted on 01/16/2004 3:56:06 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
The plant would generate energy the same way the sun does

Concentrating a few million earth masses inside Tokyo city limits could have an effect on the Bullet Train.

2 posted on 01/16/2004 3:59:43 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Willie Green
The childishness of the reporters, who treat nations like kids. The competition "threatens to hurt relations" among thde participants. boo hoo. Should they all just forget it? Maybe they should each insist on letting another country have the project. These are modern nations and their "relations" will certainly survive this. Because that's what's in their own national interests.
3 posted on 01/16/2004 4:00:36 PM PST by Williams
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To: Willie Green
"The French site is cheaper and thus more acceptable."

Two words that should NEVER be used in the discussion of nuclear powered *anything*:

French, and Cheap.

4 posted on 01/16/2004 4:00:38 PM PST by Windsong
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To: RightWhale
They just don't understand the gravity of the situation.
5 posted on 01/16/2004 4:03:45 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Windsong
The French are just bribing the Russians. We should go our own way with the Japs and see if india and china wants to go (the Euros need us both money-wise and iterm of expertise.) This is another case of getting the US to fund EU science infrastraucture. Bet we cave though (sigh)
6 posted on 01/16/2004 4:07:20 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: Willie Green
Its closer than that. We've been able to produce more energy than we consume only within the past couple years. Its just a matter of scaling it up and making it affordable.
7 posted on 01/16/2004 4:12:45 PM PST by sigSEGV
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To: Willie Green
Gravity isn't an obstacle. It's the nuclear strong force.

The fusion reaction hasn't been sustained in any way that could justify even the design of a practical powerplant.

Somone's nuts.

8 posted on 01/16/2004 4:19:36 PM PST by onedoug
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To: sigSEGV
Don't we already have a laser based fusion reactor that's just about finished?
9 posted on 01/16/2004 4:52:10 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: onedoug
"The fusion reaction hasn't been sustained in any way that could justify even the design of a practical powerplant."

With our luck, Homer Simpson will be in charge of maintaining the magnetic bottle containing the fusion reaction. Maybe we're better off with it in southern France, when that sucker breaks containment. Bye-bye Frenchies.

10 posted on 01/16/2004 4:56:12 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Windsong
Yep. And America could just say no to the debts Iraq's former dictator ran up with them. Or, we could just repudiate what Iraq owes France and suggest Russia might wish to support the Japanese bid or be next on the list.
11 posted on 01/16/2004 5:02:51 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Willie Green
If they try to build the thing in france it'll never get built. The french are always on strike, only work 47 weeks a year, and have more protests then anyplace on earth.

We ought to build two plants. One in each place. The Russians, the Chinese and the French can finance that one, and the Japanese, the South Koreans, and the US can finance the other one.

12 posted on 01/16/2004 5:04:11 PM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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We ought to build two plants. One in each place.

No. We ought to build our own right here in the good ol' US of A,
independent of what the other nations do.
If any of 'em want to build their own, or cooperate with each other, that's fine by me too. As long as they pay for it themselves.

But as far as what WE should do, we should just do our own thing without 'em.

13 posted on 01/16/2004 5:23:08 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Better to buil din in US or Russia or Canada. There plenty of space.
14 posted on 01/17/2004 6:52:22 AM PST by RusIvan
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To: McGavin999
Remember the movie 'Contact'?

They had a nice line in there: "Why build one, when you can build two for twice the price."

15 posted on 01/17/2004 11:23:20 PM PST by solmar_israel (Break the alliance with Old Europe)
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