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(Islamic)Humiliation on fast forward
The Nation ^ | Jan-16-2004 | ABID ULLAH JAN

Posted on 01/15/2004 8:07:27 PM PST by USMMA_83

Humiliation on fast forward

ABID ULLAH JAN

Frequency and the number of times a subject appears in the New York Times, Washington Post, and Washington Times are good indicators for anyone to figure out the next victim on the imperial chopping block.

Stories highlighting Musharraf’s importance and exaggerating Pakistan’s nuclear threat, appeared simultaneously with the seeming surrender by Libya, mounting pressure on Iran and peace prospects between India and Pakistan.

These developments simplify the issue even for a layman in the street. The Taliban were not the threat, nor were their actions anywhere near to the level of human rights violations and atrocities committed by Israel (See this piece of evidence: http://www.palestinevideos.com/). Similarly, the whole world now knows that the most lied about Iraqi WMD were not the threat. Even the much trumpeted democracy was not the issue. The real threats in view of the global totalitarians from quite some time are Iran and Pakistan in the short and China in the long run.

Subsequently, Pakistan and Iran are there, right on the chopping block. After two years of unmatched lies, deception and barbarism, the stage is now set to deal with Pakistan, Iran and later on China.

As Eric Margolis nicely exposes, the Libyan surrender was no more than another drama, which the twin liars, Bush and Blair, were working upon since long. Margolis writes that “after eight months of secret negotiations” Qadaffi agreed to surrender “only small amounts of World War I technology mustard gas, a primitive battlefield weapon,” to give the liars a justification for confirming “the wisdom of invading Afghanistan and Iraq.” Libya, in Margolis words, with “a single elevator repairman in the country” had “no biological and nuclear weapons” at all. In this situation the “leaks” of Pakistan’s transfer of nuclear technology to Libya and Iran; US unofficial visits to North Korean nuclear facilities and Vajpayee’s peace overtures are all parts of the same unfolding drama.

It will give Musharraf some solid justifications for surrendering Pakistan’s nuclear weapons into “safe hands.” The hands in which the weapons are most probably already secured. Just a formal ceremony is left to glorify the ultimate surrender.

One minor intermediate step could be surrendering Pakistan nuclear weapons into “joint US-Pakistan” hands, but that is irrelevant in a situation in which Pakistan is set to lose the Kashmiri cause after bleeding Pakistan to death for more than 50 years.

British Foreign Secretary has recently declared that Israel is a “unique case” which deserves stockpiles of nuclear and biological weapons. So would declare the US for India, which already claims its using nuclear weapons as a deterrence against China, not Pakistan. So, it is China’s turn to worry about the US moves in its backyard. Pakistan has hardly anything left to lose. A people and its leaders – who surrendered their faith for secularism, who surrendered principles of justice and fair conduct for personal safety, who assisted the globalist totalitarians in the continued butchery of their fellow Muslims – deserve this treatment. Those who cannot keep their honour cannot keep their weapons. Nature makes them turn on each other to hasten further surrender and disintegration.

If Musharraf is saved like Gorbachov till the long awaited disintegration completes, then Pushtuns in the North West of Pakistan may have autonomy like Kurds in Iraq.

Pushtuns may also join their brethren in Southern Afghanistan so as to be under a more focused eye of the neo-imperialists, who would like to have different set of strategies for people from different backgrounds, such as those in “Sunni triangle,” “Kurdish North,” “Taliban-influenced South” and “Persian-speaking North.” It is just to mention a few terms to be used as a basis for future break-ups and convenient colonisation. Like every other conceivable thing, Musharraf’s surrendering Pakistan’s nuclear weapons is just a matter of time. This humiliation has come to pass. There will soon be no justification for keeping these weapons. Opposition to Musharraf’s policies is already absent in Pakistani government. It is as if every politician has joined Pakistan’s army.

Muslim Ummah is a lost cause, as Qaddafi declared the other day. Israel’s recognition is on cards. The sooner Musharraf surrenders, the better it is for completing the much deserved humiliation for the so-called Muslims. Also the better it is for those who are due to replace them.

Muslims do not require nuclear weapons to be good Muslims or to convert others to Islam. After all, Islam is not American democracy.

As far as defense is concerned, these weapons are not worth defending for defense against anything. Where secularism reigns supreme, where faith is lost, sovereignty curtailed and all principle of justice sacrificed, keeping a bomb or two or even the state established in the name of Islam, doesn’t make any sense at all.

When Muslims become Muslim in the Qur’anic sense, only then would they realise what they need to defend, why and at what cost. That would not happen until we hit the trough in this final phase of Muslim humiliation. If we don’t know how to end this humiliation, let us put it on fast forward as hitting the rock bottom of humiliation seems inevitable for a meaningful resurgence.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: islam; pakistan
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1 posted on 01/15/2004 8:07:27 PM PST by USMMA_83
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To: USMMA_83
LOL, Hilarious!
2 posted on 01/15/2004 8:10:24 PM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: USMMA_83
It appears another one has floated to the top of the bowl.
3 posted on 01/15/2004 8:12:13 PM PST by Not now, Not ever! (/o/o//oo (Oh Nooooooooo... It looks like somebody ran over it!!))
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To: USMMA_83
Muslims do not require nuclear weapons to be good Muslims or to convert others to Islam.

Just boxcutters, eh Ahmed?

4 posted on 01/15/2004 8:14:26 PM PST by Wormwood (Stand! Men of the West!)
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To: USMMA_83
Let this article kill any doubt that the left is in bed with the Jihadists.
5 posted on 01/15/2004 8:17:01 PM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah
Islamist drama queen, approvingly quoting Eric Margolis.
6 posted on 01/15/2004 8:21:26 PM PST by dighton
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To: Guillermo
As funny as this piece of garbage is, the truth is the "people" there belive this whole heardedly. The tin-foil people out number any sane individual there.
7 posted on 01/15/2004 8:21:45 PM PST by USMMA_83
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To: USMMA_83; swarthyguy; Cronos
Haven't heard from you guys in a while.
8 posted on 01/15/2004 8:22:59 PM PST by USMMA_83
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To: USMMA_83
Somebody's definitely off his feed today. A peaceful rapprochement between Pakistan and India is characterized as a disaster, a peaceful end to Libya's very real WMD programs is characterized as a lie and a failure, a peaceful transition to a non-theocratic government in Iraq is characterized as a horror - I think I'm happy when this guy's unhappy, and I suspect the normal world is as well.

What seems to be humiliating this individual isn't totalitarianism (he means us, which is the biggest hoot of the essay) or imperialism, but the failure of the Arab world to kill enough people to suit him. That should speak for itself.

Now about this "Qur'anic" business - here we have a fellow who thinks stonings and amputations are peachy keen complaining about human rights abuses in Israel and comparing the Taliban, of all people, to the former, admiringly. It should be clear here what standard this author is applying - it's laudable (in fact, quite in accordance with Shar'ia) to beat people for missing prayers, but an outrageous abuse to build a wall to keep homicidal mass murderers at bay. Clearly we are not dealing with a rational culture here. And our response to this individual and to people who are "humiliated" by the entirely just defeats that thugs, murderers, and despots are taking here is a simple one. It is force. This individual is not amenable to reason, is not responsive to a single set of laws for all, and will not cease inciting murder until the ground under his feet is wet with blood. The discourse he has chosen and the only one that he will recognize as legitimate, is blows. Blows he shall have.

9 posted on 01/15/2004 8:25:50 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: USMMA_83
Of course they believe it.

Most people in this world view Osama as a hero, not as a terrorist.
10 posted on 01/15/2004 8:26:34 PM PST by Guillermo (It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
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To: USMMA_83
Where secularism reigns supreme....keeping a bomb or two ......doesn’t make any sense at all.

But if we have an Islamic state,......

11 posted on 01/15/2004 8:42:11 PM PST by expatpat
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To: USMMA_83
"Islam" hits "Rock Bottom" when an "Erstwhile Islamic Leader" attempts to Impose his "Religion" on others--& Fails!

Those of us who were Born to "Western Values" CANNOT ACCEPT the "Tenets of Islam" unless we Abandon our Values.

"Islam" is INCOMPATIBLE WITH "Western Culture!!"

Until the "Purveyors of 'Islam'" can convince the "West" that "Islam" is a Better Way, "Islam" has NO CHANCE of supplanting Western Culture.

Most of Us "In the West," regard "Islam" as a Dangerous Cult, Capable of Producing "Homicidal Maniacs."

There is NO "Equivalent 'Death Cult'" in Western Culture!! Maybe "Islam" should Consider WHY it is the ONLY "Religion" which Glorifies Death (Suicide)!

Doc

12 posted on 01/15/2004 8:46:41 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: USMMA_83
Like every other conceivable thing, Musharraf’s surrendering Pakistan’s nuclear weapons is just a matter of time.

From this hemorrhoid's lips to God's ears.

13 posted on 01/15/2004 8:56:00 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: USMMA_83
Sounds like this guy has realized the jihad is almost over and he has to wait hundreds of years for another resurgence of islamism.
14 posted on 01/15/2004 9:33:57 PM PST by rllngrk33 (Liberals are guilty of everything they accuse Conservatives of.)
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To: Guillermo
Let this article kill any doubt that the left is in bed with the Jihadists.

The Left is on a jihad of their own, the enemy of my enemy...

15 posted on 01/15/2004 9:37:47 PM PST by StriperSniper (Mine the borders)
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To: USMMA_83
It will give Musharraf some solid justifications for surrendering Pakistan’s nuclear weapons into “safe hands.” The hands in which the weapons are most probably already secured. Just a formal ceremony is left to glorify the ultimate surrender.

If this is true and we already have de facto control over the Pak weapons, it is good news, very good news. Mushi probably realises that the Kashmiri terrorists and other Islamic terrorists encouraged by his predecessors want to get rid of him, so he's decided to give his nation another chance to redeem itself and develop.
16 posted on 01/15/2004 11:17:56 PM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: USMMA_83
people and its leaders – who surrendered their faith for secularism

huh? Pakistan's creation was the real factor that started the modern Islamic movement, it was the first state in modern times founded just for people of one religious group, no other common point.
17 posted on 01/15/2004 11:20:07 PM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: USMMA_83
Muslims do not require nuclear weapons to be good Muslims or to convert others to Islam.

We need to encourage this attitude.
18 posted on 01/15/2004 11:21:51 PM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: Billthedrill
"What seems to be humiliating this individual isn't totalitarianism (he means us, which is the biggest hoot of the essay) or imperialism, but the failure of the Arab world to kill enough people to suit him. That should speak for itself."

What speaks for itself is that a nominally "respectable journal of liberal thought" gave this Jan character a pulpit for his insane and thoroughly despicable preachings.

This is not the kind of article a magazine that wants to taken seriously should publish. The Nation should be ashamed of itself. Katrina Van Den Heuvel should join a convent. Or, better yet, break out her burqa and join a mosque.

19 posted on 01/15/2004 11:24:57 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: USMMA_83
The India-Pak reproachment is needed for South asia to grow. Right now Pakistan is a pawn in the CHinese game to prevent a threat on it's southern flank. This IS the new great game. China will grow in the next 50 years. H***, by 2050, they could challenge us. They'll wait, content in their belief that the earlier challengers to the middle kingdom have all disappearedd -- the Mongols, the Japanese, the Soviet Union. but the only thing that can scare them is an even older continuous civilisation rising as a threat. That's why they keep trying to emphasise that India is just a regional player, a desperate move to ignore a rival.

After all, they also do know that substantial points of their culture do have an Indian origin -- Buddhism, the martial arts, etc and it proves a marked contrast -- a democracy as opposed to a totalitarian communist state.

The chinese may never adjust to democracy -- they've never experienced it in their 2700 year old history while Alexander encountered old city republics when he invaded north west india.
20 posted on 01/15/2004 11:28:30 PM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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