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Boy Found Dead Near Pit Bull Chained in Yard
fox ^ | 1/14/04

Posted on 01/14/2004 1:10:48 PM PST by knak

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:38:23 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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41 posted on 01/14/2004 4:02:08 PM PST by kanawa (48*26'06.6" 83*30'00.2")
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To: JudyB1938
It's breeds that have been BRED to kill

That is false.

42 posted on 01/14/2004 4:06:27 PM PST by kanawa (48*26'06.6" 83*30'00.2")
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To: sinful_luv
attractive nuisance doctrine

There is normally no particular care required of property owners to safeguard trespassers from harm, but an attractive nuisance is an exception. An attractive nuisance is any inherently hazardous object or condition of property that can be expected to attract children to investigate or play[emphasis mine -- hedgie] (for example, construction sites and discarded large appliances). The doctrine imposes upon the property owner either the duty to take precautions that are reasonable in light of the normal behavior of young children--a much higher degree of care than required toward adults--or the same care as that owed to "invitees"--a higher standard than required toward uninvited, casual visitors (licensees).

See: degree of care, invitee, licensee , negligence, nuisance, trespasser



from Rupp's Insurance & Risk Management Glossary. © 2002, NILS Publishing. All rights reserved.

43 posted on 01/14/2004 4:38:08 PM PST by hedgie
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To: I still care
am I wrong, or are the a breed created with terrier and some kind of bulldog?

The ancestor of the modern Pit bull is the Bull dog and the White Terrier. The White Terrier had such a bad reputation in England in the 1800's, i.e. it bit so many people, that it was considered a public menace and it was...liquidated. They are an extinct breed. But the psychotic genes go marching on in the Pit Bull.

Pit Bull Delenda Est

44 posted on 01/14/2004 5:03:11 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: sinful_luv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058122/posts

CDC's 10 Most Dangerous Dogs List
45 posted on 01/14/2004 5:18:19 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Freedom is a package deal - with it comes responsibilities and consequences.)
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To: sinkspur
The father is over in Iraq fighting our war on terror. He expected that his wife would be able to handle the home front. A 3 year-old should be supervised at all times by an adult. She failed in her responsibilities, and unfortunately, she may be able to deny this and blame her neighbor.

A typical 12-year-old is very unlikely to be killed by a chained dog. A 3-year-old who loves dogs is at far greater risk. The breed is a bad news breed, but in this case I'm inclined to put far more blame on the mother, though I'm sorry for her too. Still. We're now a soldier short on the front, because either Mom didn't get enough support from her neighbors and family to take proper care of her kids, or she was just out and out neglectful, or a combination of the two.
46 posted on 01/14/2004 5:31:31 PM PST by Triple Word Score
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To: sinful_luv
My three year old and six month old have been raised with a pit bull, rotweiller and three other large dogs. Not one of the dogs has even growled at one of my kids.

Of course they haven't--your kids and dogs are part of the same "pack", hence your dogs protectiveness of your kids. Everyone else isn't part of your dogs' pack and hence suspect, just like the 3 year old kid in this story.

47 posted on 01/14/2004 6:58:25 PM PST by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: knak
The problem with people owning dogs that are by disposition agressive is that they don't train the animal much beyond house breaking. This creates a situation were you have a living self propelled anti personel mine . Add to the problem of puppy mills that bread indiscriminately you can get some very very dangerous animals.
48 posted on 01/14/2004 7:35:08 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal. Browning reach out & crush someone)
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To: sinkspur
That aside, any mother who doesn't know where her three-year old is for TWO HOURS is neglectful.

I agree. My son is 4 -- we have a mixed-mutt horse of a dog who thinks he is a puppy. He's very loving, but forgets that he weighs a ton therefore he's chained when my son was outside this summer. Our yard is fenced as well.

And speaking of our son being outside -- never for more than 15 or 20 minutes alone PERIOD inside the fenced-in back yard. With the gates locked. And me watching from my kitchen window pretty much the entire time. And he's 4.

This is just such a tragedy, yet I've seen it over and over. People send their 3/4 year olds out into the yard/street to play...or let them go to someone's house to play never having even met the playmate's parents. I just don't understand. Everything else in life can be replaced, but those babies are so precious. Irreplacable.

Sorry to 'rant' but I've had a long day, and after reading this I quite frankly just want to have a good cry.

49 posted on 01/14/2004 8:45:11 PM PST by kimmie7 ("Cleaning with the kids at home is like shoveling during a snowstorm." -- Phyllis Diller)
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To: thedugal
I had some white trash folks next door to me for a while and inbetween "soupin up the 'monte" they were planning on getting a pit bull.I was fully ready to kill the dog BEFORE it killed my sons aged 2 and 4. Preemptively, unilateraly and without UN approval. I've argued with the "no bad dogs only bad owners" crowd before so to any Freepers who feel that way here is my challenge: For every Golden retriever who kills I'll give you $100, for every **it bull that kills you give me $100. The wager is for 1 year starting now. Retrievers are by far the most popular breed in the nation so the "point spread " is in your favor. ....or are there NO bad owners on golden retrievers?
50 posted on 01/14/2004 9:05:45 PM PST by singletrack (..............................................................................)
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To: muleskinner
Found this on the internet - Old English White Terrier

I swear, freepers are the best educated people on the internet.

51 posted on 01/14/2004 10:04:59 PM PST by I still care
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To: knak
I am always amazed at how quick the average person & usually it's those uneducated person(s) who are quick to place blame on the poor beast...whether there is or isn't an eyewitness account of such mishaps. We ALWAYS blame the animal...when the fault or blame is that of those person(s) with the ability of fore-thought (or ability to premeditate) yet fail to use their god-given ability such as good or better judgment aka horse-sense in order to prevent the obvious from happening.

It is a cop-out & simplemindedness at it's most simplest form for ANYONE to blame ANY breed or ANY kind of animal...EVER! When an animal acts aggressive or better yet...like an animal is suppose to act it cannot be blamed. [Key or simply said: because it knows NO Better!] The blame or responsibility should fall back on the higher intelligence & that my friends is "humans" (or suppose to be...anyway I wonder these days). Human(s) in this case once again are to blame for this child's death for not acting or thinking responsibly.

Again...it is never the fault & we can never place blame on ANY animal who acts (or is trained to act) aggressively, we CAN make better judgment or decisions where all animals are concerned & we can & should have more respect for ALL animals...because all living things, including A.P.B.T. dogs (slang name- Pit Bull dogs) have just as much right to be here as PEOPLE do! PEOPLE JUST ACT LIKE THEY ARE THE ONLY SPECIES THAT MATTTER!!

Fault the dog owner & yes...defiantly fault the parent who failed to watch this young child adequately! NOT THE ANIMAL'S FAULT!!
52 posted on 01/18/2004 11:22:01 PM PST by BlameDeedNotBreed (ZERO TOLERENCE FOR BREED (or animal) BIGOTRY!!!)
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To: singletrack
YOU CAN'T BLAME ANY DOG OF ANY PARTICULAR BREED FOR AGGRESSION OR ATTACKS! BLAME THE IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS! AND IN THIS CASE BLAME THE LAME PARENT WHO LEFT THEIR CHILD UNSUPERVISED FOR 1 MINUTE!! WHILE WE'RE PLAYING THE BLAME-GAME...BLAME YOUR LAW-MAKERS FOR PASSING LAME & WORTHLESS B.S.L. TYPE LAWS INSTEAD OF LAWS THAT REALLY WORK TO BENEFIT BOTH PEOPLE & PETS!

AND RIGHTFULLY...

NOT YOU OR ANY ONE PERSON CAN DECLARE A BREED OF DOG TO BE ELIMINATED, BANNED & EXTINGUSED FROM THEIR EXISTENCE ON EARTH...UNLESS YOUR GOD, and then I stand corrected, Dear Singletrack~!

Solution: People & Dogs
Need Training To Prevent Future
Dog Attacks

The following taken from various dog breeders, dog trainers & dog behavioralists who all agree that there is no acuracy to dog attack statistics or data, mainly due to the media making false reports where the dog attacking was a mutt or unknown breed...media reports almost always the dog in question was "Pit Bull" because the name "Pit Bull" alone sells papers...fear sales papers. With this in mind...


Experts & Researchers say: People are mostly to blame for the 27 deaths from dog attacks that occurred in 1997 and 1998 citing a common failure to train dogs correctly and ignorance of how to behave around them. Despite inaccurate statistics, the solution is people--parents and kids--and dogs need training to prevent future dog attacks.

Rottweilers have become America's deadliest dog breed, surpassing pit bulls, according to a study by the American Veterinary Medical Association. The researchers say dogs are not to blame. Rottweiler owners strongly agree that people are to blame, but question the accuracy of the study's numbers concerning the Rottweiler breed.

During 1997 and 1998 Pit bulls were involved in 21 mauling deaths according to the study. During 1997 and 1998, the Pit bull breed was responsible for the most fatal attacks over any other according to the study. It is completely unfair to make a comparison between Pit bulls and Rottweilers as Pit bulls have been targeted and banned from many of our communities reducing their numbers to an unbalanced ratio between Rottweilers and Pit bulls.

"The most important factors missing were the amount of Rottweilers registered during that period of time and the fact that Pit bulls have been banned all over the country. How could a fair comparison be made?" questions Grace Acosta, Rottweiler breeder licensed by AKC and President of the Gulfstream Rottweiler Club. She points out that between 1991 and 1998 the Rottweiler jumped in popularity to number two over all. To be fair to the Rottweiler breed the study fails to give the number of Rottweilers registered with AKC.

In comparison, the numbers don't add up. During 1999 the American Kennel Club registered 41,776 Rottweilers compared to 0 Pit Bulls, because Pit Bulls are not a registered breed.

"The Rottweiler was not bred to be a pet. Surprised? Don't be. Most dogs weren't bred to be pets. People that desire these dogs for pets must work at teaching their dogs the rules of society, then these frightening statistics will go away," says Pete Dettori, Rottweiler owner, trainer, and writer for Canine Workshop.

Between 1991 and 1998, thirty-three fatal attacks involved Rottweilers according to the study.

Nashville Attorney and longtime Rottweiler owner Michael J. Love says he, "has never encountered any problem with the breed. I have never seen any behavior with the Rottweiler that is different than other dogs. However, they are generally far more athletic."

"It would be interesting to see further research on those deaths to see how many were abused dogs, unsupervised, and untrained or at least only shown violence. Personally, I have only had great experiences with both breeds and my only death-fear has been of being kissed or licked to death, "says Sheyrena Boswell, Neenah, Wisconsin.

Dog bite fatality rates are less than one in 10 million according to the study. Over all in 1997 and 1998 there were 27 dog attack deaths including 19 children.

"Where are the parents when these attacks occur? People get these dogs for the wrong reason. Most of them don't know anything about the breed. They don't realize how big & powerful they can be. I own three Rottweilers & they have never bitten anybody. They were raised with children. It's all in the way they are raised. If any dog is abused, they will eventually bite. The parents of these victims should have better supervision over their children. Most of the kids are latchkey children. No supervision at home until the parents get home from work," says Quinn Webb, Orlando, Florida.

Pit bulls still have the lead in fatal attacks at 66 mauling deaths between 1979 and 1998 involving at least one pit bull according to the study. Rottweilers were recorded for 37 mauling deaths mostly during the 1990s. German shepherds followed with 17, Huskies at 15, Malamutes at 12, and Doberman pinschers with nine.

During the past 20 years, annually the number of fatal attacks has not differentiated much, according to the study, yet attacks have climbed on an over all basis.

"The Rottweiler as well as any other breed of dog is not to blame here. This falls on the responsible shoulders of the owner. However, a dog is going to be a dog in any given situation. If they are provoked into a defense situation, that is just what they are going to do. I have seen on my local news where Rottweilers as well as other breeds have attacked children. If a parent knows there is a Rottweiler, Pit bull, or even a mix breed dog near where a child is playing, why are these children left unattended? A child is going to be a child. To them it is all in the fun of playing to pull a dogs tail, ears, hair, just as they would do to 'Lil Susie in school."

"My property is well posted with Beware of Dog signs, not Bad Dog signs--I don't consider Tequila a bad dog. I also have No Trespassing signs posted as well. Therefore, if a person read the sign and chooses to come through my gates, this is poor judgment on their part," says Patty Johns, Hilliard, Florida.

The researchers say the numbers point out the following: 1) a growing public ignorance of how to behave around dogs; 2) extensive mistreatment of dogs; and 3) adults not instructing their children to stay away from unfamiliar dogs. The study stresses this is a people problem, not a dog problem. The number one rule parents need to teach their children is never to approach an unfamiliar dog, because not all dogs are friendly. If a child wishes to pet a dog, the child must be taught to ask permission from the dog's owner first.

"Rottweilers can live in harmony with children, as long as all parties are taught mutual respect. Children need to learn that all dogs need to be respected. Dogs that are eating or sleeping are never to be disturbed. Dogs should never be subjected to abusive behavior, including ear pulling, eye poking, blowing in the face, etc. If any dog is abused enough, it will eventually defend itself if it feels as though it has no alternative. A Rottweiler is normally a very tolerant dog, but all animals have their limits as to how much nonsense they will take before they issue a correction. It is the responsibility of the dog owner to protect the dog from the misbehavior of children, and it is the children's parents responsibility to teach them proper dog etiquette."

"When properly bred, exercised and trained with positive reinforcement, Rottweilers are extremely loving, calm, stable companion dogs. People have created this situation, and it is up to people to take responsibility for the situation and change it. They also don't understand the strength of an 85 lb. one-year-old puppy," says Tonia Ellsworth, aerobics instructor and Rottweiler owner, Colorado Springs, Colorado.

"Obviously, a dog that weighs over 100 lbs. and has defensive instincts needs to be trained and monitored properly. This kind of dog needs training starting immediately upon arriving at home. Positive reinforcement works extremely well with this breed, as it is a very intelligent breed of dog that wants to work with its human. I recommend any owner to thoroughly research the breed, understand how large it will grow to be, and commit to taking the puppy to puppy-kindergarten classes, as well as at least two more basic obedience classes. This breed needs a lot of mental stimulation. It needs to have a job to be happy and well-adjusted."

"Rottweilers also need a lot of exercise and safe space to play. All owners should have access to a large, fenced yard. The fence should be a privacy fence. The fence should be high and wooden, so that the dog has less of a chance of escaping, and less of a chance of neighborhood kids being able to stick hands, sticks, etc., through the fence to torment the dog. Rottweilers should never be chained in a yard. This scenario leads to disaster, as the dog becomes more aggressive the longer it is chained. Neighborhood kids can come and taunt a chained dog and the dog has no place to retreat to. A fenced yard is the only way to go. A Rottweiler should never be allowed to roam the neighborhood. If any dog thinks someone is invading his territory, he may bite. If a Rottweiler bites, the person may be literally scarred for life. Worst-case scenario is when more than one Rottweiler is allowed to roam the streets. This is just asking for a dog bite to occur."

"The Rottweiler breed is not more vicious or more aggressive than the Chihuahua breed or any other Terrier breed. The difference between these is the size of the animal. A bite from a Chihuahua can be treated with a Band-Aid, but a bite from a Rottweiler or any larger breed of dog usually needs medical treatment.

Just Food for thought, perhaps some of the above will help to educate NOT speculate!
53 posted on 01/19/2004 2:53:06 AM PST by BlameDeedNotBreed (ZERO TOLERENCE FOR BREED (or animal) BIGOTRY!!!)
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To: BlameDeedNotBreed
THEN WILL YOU PUBLICLY ACCEPT MY BET? ONE YEAR, $100 FOR EVERY GOLDEN RETRIEVER MAULING VS $100 FOR EVERY PIT BULL MAULING. A SIMPLE YES OR NO? I'VE YET TO HAVE ONE pb OWNER SHOW SOME NUTS...............
54 posted on 01/19/2004 7:11:31 AM PST by singletrack (..............................................................................)
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To: singletrack
THEN WILL YOU PUBLICLY ACCEPT MY BET? ONE YEAR, $100 FOR EVERY GOLDEN RETRIEVER MAULING VS $100 FOR EVERY PIT BULL MAULING. A SIMPLE YES OR NO? I'VE YET TO HAVE ONE pb OWNER SHOW SOME NUTS...............

I don't think you'll get any takers. In case anyone does, you should define "mauling". How about a bite that requires a visit to a hospital, or a bite the renders the victim deceased? Good luck.

55 posted on 01/19/2004 7:15:51 AM PST by Snowy
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To: I still care
I don't blame a dog chained in it's own yard.

I would blame the owners. Anyone stupid enough to have a dog this dangerous --- that would kill a 3 year old child --- which any dog with a brain would know is no threat --- then they need to be locked up for manslaughter.

56 posted on 01/19/2004 7:20:14 AM PST by FITZ
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To: BlameDeedNotBreed; sauropod; dighton; Tijeras_Slim
(ZERO TOLERENCE FOR BREED (or animal) BIGOTRY!

YOU CANNOT BE FOR REAL. lol

57 posted on 01/19/2004 7:20:21 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: DooDahhhh
What mother would let a 3 year old be unsupervised for 2 hours.

She probably didn't --- the kid probably went directly over to pet the doggie --- and was killed, for 2 hours the mother was probably frantically searching the house and neighborhood before calling the police.

58 posted on 01/19/2004 7:22:57 AM PST by FITZ
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To: BlameDeedNotBreed
A dog should be able to size up a threat --- a baby shouldn't be a threat to any dog --- why have a dog that is so insane that it would kill a human child? If you have to have such a dog, then you should have that dog in the strongest fence possible.
59 posted on 01/19/2004 7:25:46 AM PST by FITZ
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To: hellinahandcart; BlameDeedNotBreed
I have a rottie..and our vet told us that she is socialized very well. I trust her opinion. The rottie is trained, and knows her place in the family. She's a big teddie bear... Would I walk up and pet a strangers rottie..no way in heck!!
60 posted on 01/19/2004 7:26:59 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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