[ConsistentLibertarian]

"to a liberal..The ends always justifies the means!...or...In a nut shell.. liberal morals are governed by their politics...as opposed to conservitives whose politics are governed by their morals..."

That explains what happened with Ambassador Wilson and Valerie Plume? You're thinking Nixon was a liberal?

Just checking.

Sometimes people get carried away and want to feel good about their home team and so they say outrageously false things, but if you talk them down a bit they start to come back to reality and shrug it off with a sheepish grin as hyperbole borne of enthusiasm gone wild. Good to have friends who can do that for you.

Other times people like the fantasy so much, they can't be talked down. They tend more than most to engage only with like-minded people. You can find them on the left. You can find them on the right. You can find them in Church and you can find them in front of the TV on Sunday.

I wonder if there was ever a time when that wasn't the sort of person they wanted to be, or whether they just never reflected on the question and drifted into bad habits that blind them to their present circumstances.

[M-cubed]

I wonder if there was ever a time when that wasn't the sort of person they wanted to be,"<<<<...IMHO..I doubt it...We all fall short in the glory of God...all the believiers ALWAYS fall short...it's the moral base to which they can "strive" to that's important!...>>> or whether they just never reflected on the question and drifted into bad habits that blind them to their present circumstances.<<<..Probably they "never reflected" on the question....drifted lower into bad habits intill circumstances made clear "the blindness" of their ways...Pretty philosophical dont ya think..IMHO..there is no perfection in this world!