Man kills intruder in gunbattle

Sacramento Bee ^ | January 8, 2004 | M.S. Enkoji

[eastforker]

Could be the grandson owed someone some money, had felony warrant for check fraud. Good shootin pops, tell grandson to quit endangering you and your wife.

[Maigrey]

If you are concerned about firearm ownership, might I suggest some things for you to research, and make your own decision.

1. Why is it that the city (county wide area) of Chicago, Il, which has state and local laws prohibiting firearm ownership (even within the home) has the highest murder rate (per capita poluation)in the nation?

2. Why is it that the states that have no or virtually no restrictions on firearm ownership have the lowest crime rates in the nation (Alaska, Texas, etc.)

These are some things to ponder in wondering if gun control doesn't work?

Best of luck, and Welcome to Free Republic!

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

This happens on average, two and a half million times a year.

But there's no anti-gun bias in the media,

[Chewbacca]

I have always wondered in cases where an intruder is shot, just who gets to keep the intruders firearms or weapon?

Can the homeowner claim rights to the intruders firearms/weapons if no rightful owner is found, or do the cops keep it and have it destroyed or sold?

If the cops get to sell it and keep the money, why is that? The homeowner did all the work.

If someone broke into my house and I shot and killed them I would lay claim on the dead mans belongings (wallet, cash, firearm) to compensate for any damage done to the house and for mental anguish, and as a combat trophy.

[FreedomPoster]

Those stories are everywhere, you just have to look for them, as they aren't propagated by the anti-gun lamestream media. Go read the NRA's magazine, they publish a page os summaries of stories like this every month, with 12-15 items. And I'm sure they have even more.

Question what you've been conditioned by the media and schools to believe, which is apparently, "guns are bad".

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum
est"

"A sword is never the killer, it is a tool in the hands of the killer."

--Lucius Annaeus Seneca the younger

[Gritty]

A handgun believed to belong to the unidentified dead man was found inside the house, he said.

Wanna bet it's not "registered"?

investigators had not determined who is the registered owner of the gun Grayson fired.

Oh, oh. It seems Mr. Grayson may not be out of the woods yet. After all, we can't have all these nasty, unregistered guns lying around, tempting people to become criminals!

The authorities would much rather come to the crime scene, take their reports from the victims (if still alive) and solve the crime in their own good time - if they solve them at all. Otherwise, this sort of vigilanteism could get out of hand.

[cpdiii]

The best police force in the world will not get to your house in time to stop the bad guys from having their way with you if you are not armed.

1. Arm yourself.
2. Learn to use the weapon with profciency.
3. Have a plan of action.
4. Know what the second amendment is and why we have it.

[cpdiii]

oops, I meant to send that post to independent thinker

[yarddog]

At one time the gun would likely have ended up in the police chief's personal collection. Nowadays in most places it will probably eventually be destroyed.

[Independentamerican]

Thanks for the link. I grew up in a conservative christian household but growing up in typical suburbia I really never thought too much about the right to bear arms. You basically are told your whole life to stay away from them and the media constantly reports on shooting deaths or kids that were playing with guns having accidents so you really do not hear the other sides of the gun issue unless I guess you search for them. This is probably the first time I can recall hearing a story where a regular citizen was able to save the lives of his family..

[Jaxter]

Second Amendment bump..

[libstripper]

The surprising thing about stories concerning "kids playing with guns having accidents" is how rare those incients actualy are. To get a good handle on this you need to read John Lott's two books, "More Guns, Less Crime" and "The Bias Against Guns."

These books show most of what you have been taught is dead wrong. For example, the legal use of firearms stops four times more crimes than are committed using firearms, and, in 1999,the last year for which there are currently available statistics, only 34 children under age 10 were killed in accidental shootings involving other children. Tragic as that is, it's fewer kids than drowned in bath tubs during the same year.

The social good produced by responsible gun ownership goes on and on. In Britian, which outlaws almost all effective self-defense, about 53% of the home burgularies and "hot," meaning the lawful residents are present when the burgulars strike. In the U.S. the number's about 13% because potential burgulars are afraid of getting shot. Thus, if you responsibly keep a readily available loaded gun in your home, you not only protect yourself and your family, you also protect the rest of the community.

[Seamus Mc Gillicuddy]

Did the Kalifornia Keystone Kops arrest the homeowner for violating the perp's civil rights?

[xsrdx]

You basically are told your whole life to stay away from them

Guns are just tools. They are well developed and effective for the most part, but no more inherently "dangerous" than a bathtub or automobile - both of which kill and injure more people every year than guns.

Like any other tool, guns can be dangerous when PEOPLE use them irresponsibly, or for criminal gain.

You can be a liberal, and believe that people are inherently flawed, stupid, and untrustworthy - in which case gun control makes sense - or you can be a conservative, and believe that the citizen is the foundation of an honest society, in which case gun control is tyranny.

[ChefKeith]

hci can kiss My butt and I've personally told sara nazi brady that years ago.

[absalom01]

Heh. At best, the chair would be concealment, not cover, but that's a point that only a FReeper is likely to notice in this particular news story.

Of course, there's the old wheeze about cover: "You know the difference between cover and concealment, right? What you think is cover, isn't".

[Travis McGee]

What?? That opinion is heresy. All your profs will assure you that only the police and military need guns.

History bears proof, over and over again.

Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro and the rest all agree with your profs on this point. Ordinary civilians have no need to own guns.