[JohnnyZ]

10,200,000 unemployed Americans. Who held all these jobs before the waves of illegals entered?

Nobody. You realize, of course, that our unemployment rate is fairly low historically.

NO HONESTY ON YOUR SIDE OF THE DEBATE.

This is also NOT amnesty, slow-motion or otherwise.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

This is also NOT amnesty, slow-motion or otherwise.

It's an anmesty, slow motion and otherwise. There's nothing more permanent than guest workers.

[adam_az]

You're right in that the labor market is not static.

Jobs are constantly created or eliminated.

Unfortunately, both sides of the debate are being shouty and oversimplifying the issue and turning their opponents into straw men.

Since there isn't a specific written proposal so far, just the Presidents speech, I'm willing to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt, so far. Especially since the ideas were, from what I understand, largely crafted by Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) whose ACU rating last year was 96%. Flake has been pushing for a guest worker program for years. http://acuratings.com/acu.cgi?ACT=1&USER_ID=239&YEAR=2002

[JustAnAmerican]

" This is also NOT amnesty, slow-motion or otherwise."

Websters Dictionary.
(1)n. pl. am·nes·ties
A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.
(2)tr.v. am·nes·tied, am·nes·ty·ing, am·nes·ties
To grant a general pardon to.

il·le·gal
adj.
1. Prohibited by law.

n.

An illegal immigrant.

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[IGOTMINE]

"This is also NOT amnesty, slow-motion or otherwise."

And social security IS NOT the nation's retirement plan!
And I'll eat my hat if this civil rights legislation ever leads to quotas!

[FITZ]

You realize, of course, that our unemployment rate is fairly low historically.

Not really --- combine all those on welfare programs, SSI, NAFTA displaced worker prgrams, and unemployment. It's not low at all.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

First off, national security is Number 1. This plan will encourage more cars driving back and forth across the border. That will only make Homeland Security more dangerous, and it displays a very poor sense of priorities. WMD are supposed to be Priority 1. Wrong. The Hispanic Vote is Priority 1. Why? Because no one has the guts to control our borders the way they need to be controlled. When that Mexico ambassador was caught helping Mideast terrorists get phony passports, we had every right to seal the Mexican waterways up with fixed sea mines and only allow shipping traffic in and out of Mexico at various checkpoints where we could fingerprint and photo ID everyone on board the ships. We had every right to destroy every Mexican airport that Mexico forbids us from having our own screeners in their country.

Even Rush Limbaugh doesn't buy the "Americans aren't willing to do certain jobs" line. He read an articulate account of how ultra-cheap labor causes nations to lose their technological edge: in particular, US vs. Canada in raisins. Here is an even more clear example. When did the US agricultural revolution really take off? After we abolished slavery. Machinery and innovation is always the key. Throwing extra bodies at the problem is the traditional formula for short term profits and a longterm innovation plateau.

[CaptIsaacDavis]

Your crude attempts at anti-conservative propaganda are not working.