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Rep Ron Paul Letter about Mexicans and Social Securtiy
Email | 1-06-04 | Rep Ron Paul

Posted on 01/07/2004 3:15:01 PM PST by GetUsOutOfTheUnitedNations

Return of the Great Social Security Giveaway

by Rep. Ron Paul, MD by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

Last year around this time I wrote about a serious threat to Social Security that was moving ever closer – a threat so great that it could truly break the bank of our already dangerously fragile Social Security system. The threat is the ongoing "totalization" negotiations between the US and Mexican governments. An agreement on "totalization" would make hundreds of thousands of Mexican citizens eligible for American Social Security. Press reports just last month reminded us that these talks are continuing and will likely be completed this year.

As I wrote last year, under such a "totalization" agreement, even if a Mexican citizen did not work in the United States long enough to qualify for Social Security, the number of years worked in Mexico would be added to bring up the total and thus make the Mexican worker eligible for cash transfers from the United States. To qualify for American Social Security, a Mexican citizen would need to work in the US as short as just 18 months!

Totalization is nothing new. The first such agreements were made in the late 1970s between the United States and several foreign governments to help American citizens who were sent abroad by their companies. From there we have come, nearly 30 years later, to the point where an estimated 160,000 Mexican citizens would be eligible for US Social Security in the next five years.

Ultimately, the bill for Mexicans working legally in the US could reach one billion dollars by 2050, when the estimated Mexican beneficiaries could reach 300,000. Worse still, an estimated five million Mexicans working illegally in the United States could be eligible for the program. According to press reports, a provision in the Social Security Act allows illegal immigrants to receive Social Security benefits if the United States and another country have a totalization agreement.

Those in favor of sending US Social Security benefits to Mexican citizens argue that the crushing poverty in Mexico demands some form of US assistance to that country's aged. While the poverty in Mexico is truly deplorable and saddening, the fact remains that the US Congress has no Constitutional authority to enact what is essentially another foreign aid program. I would applaud any private citizen who wishes to help his fellow man living in poverty, whether in the US or Mexico or wherever he wishes. But for the US government to force this kind of "charity" is both immoral and illegal.

When Congress returns late this month, it should take the opportunity to re-affirm that Social Security is an American program designed to benefit American retired workers. That is why I introduced HR 489, the Social Security for American Citizens Only Act, in the current Congress. This act forbids the federal government from providing Social Security benefits to non-citizens. It also ends the practice of totalization.

Bringing hundreds of thousands of impoverished foreign workers into the Social Security system will surely break the bank, depriving millions of our seniors who contributed to the system all their working lives of that which is rightly theirs. That is no way to treat our seniors, be they from this generation or coming generations. As I said last year, we should be shoring up the system for those Americans who have paid in for decades, not expanding it to cover foreigners who have not.

January 6, 2004

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; mexicans; mexico; ronpaul; socialsecurtiy
Lets hear if for Rep Ron Paul for trying to get the news out
1 posted on 01/07/2004 3:15:02 PM PST by GetUsOutOfTheUnitedNations
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To: All
Are we there yet?
2 posted on 01/07/2004 3:15:48 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Freepers post from sun to sun, but a fundraiser bot's work is never done.)
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To: Support Free Republic
I am listening to Lou Dobbs and I have never seen Lou Dobbs lose it before but tonight he is showing anger talking to Lulac who.......guess what he said........thats Lulac..
he said "we are spending to much in Iraq and not taking care of the illegal alien problem"
OMG my oh my thats gratitude for you.
"we are spending to much on Iraq" wow!

Dobbs asked why they aren't going after Fox the el presidente about this problem, GOOD point Dobbs!
He said "why aren't you going after Fox about the state of affairs in mexico why is this our problem".

Why isn't Bush going after Fox like he has the Terroists and dictators. Instead of taking away from Americans.

3 posted on 01/07/2004 3:32:07 PM PST by stopem
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To: GetUsOutOfTheUnitedNations
we've been sending foreign aid since Madison's administration. Why Paul thinks he knows better than Madison what is constitutional is beyond me but I'm convinced by now that he does indeed think so.


Right now illegal aliens are contributing between .5 to one billion dollars a year to Social Security.

4 posted on 01/07/2004 3:34:47 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
They may be contributing that much, but how much social services are they using? The other side of the equation seems to get lost in the politics.
5 posted on 01/07/2004 3:38:11 PM PST by CherylBower
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To: CherylBower
Yeah we obviously come out ahead on SS, but everything else is up in the air IMHO, and there are social costs besides financial ones.
6 posted on 01/07/2004 3:45:35 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: GetUsOutOfTheUnitedNations
"While the poverty in Mexico is truly deplorable and saddening.."

While I don't disagree, the problem is not that Mexico is poor it's the disparity in income between the rich Castillion Mexicans and the poor. When Bush meets with Fox he should address THIS issue.. get Mexico to fix THEIR problems and not let Fox send his problems to us to repair.

7 posted on 01/07/2004 4:31:26 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: Zipporah
This issue may cause sufficient numbers of conservatives to stay home in November to make Bush a one-term president.
8 posted on 01/07/2004 4:47:03 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Joe?? From MSNBC?
9 posted on 01/07/2004 4:50:07 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004 Primary)
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To: GetUsOutOfTheUnitedNations
Wait till these new citizens find out about getting on the Social Security dissability roles...
This should pretty much collapse the system...probably the plan anyway...
Adios Social Security...AARP is gonna have a stroke...
10 posted on 01/07/2004 4:52:13 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: GetUsOutOfTheUnitedNations
If the Dems support this...and it threatens Social Security then the Dems are in favor of collapsing Social Security...kinda steals their thunder...when it comes to the elderly vote..
If the Dems oppose this ..then they are screwing over the Hispanics...and could lose their vote to..
Tic Tac Toe
11 posted on 01/07/2004 4:57:04 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: mrsmith
Madison's opinions about the Constitution certainly carry a lot of weight, but they're just as certainly not infallible, especially once he became a politician under the Constitution and thus had political interests to protect. Remember, the very first SCOTUS ruling that struck down an act of Congress had Madison on the losing side.

As for the constitutionality of foreign aid, the 10th amendment spells it out pretty well: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

So let's see how foreign aid checks out: Delegated to the United States? No. Prohibited to the states? No. Then reserved to the states or to the people.

12 posted on 01/08/2004 8:00:48 AM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: inquest
Ditto for Social Security, by the way.
13 posted on 01/08/2004 8:03:17 AM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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To: inquest
Ever seen any quote from a Founder against foreign aid? You know me, I'm impressed by what the Founders said and did.

Beside such a strict guy as Madison approving it, we were giving other countries gifts and bribes from our beginning. It's tough to see a difference between a gift or bribe and "foreign aid" LOL!

Anyway, if you run across any Founder quotes let me know. I looked once and couldn't find Madison's remarks on the Venezuela foreign aid bill he signed.

14 posted on 01/08/2004 3:14:56 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
You know me, I'm impressed by what the Founders said and did.

I didn't say I could give you something that would satisfy you personally. All I did was quote the Constitution and draw the appropriate logical conclusion. You're free to do the same. That method shouldn't give you any different result.

15 posted on 01/08/2004 8:20:27 PM PST by inquest (The only problem with partisanship is that it leads to bipartisanship)
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