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Toxins lead to healthier lives?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, January 3, 2003 | John Pike

Posted on 01/03/2004 6:43:01 AM PST by JohnHuang2

By John Pike
© 2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

Hormesis, the scientific theory that humans actually need small amounts of poison in their diets, could be the most important environmental event of the 21st century if proved valid. Billions of dollars could be saved in environmental cleanup costs, say researchers, while at the same time improving the health of all organisms, including humans.

But at first examination, hormesis appears kooky. The knee-jerk reaction is to reject this phenomenon as pseudoscience or propaganda by polluters, and a few uninformed observers have done just that.

But hormesis is a possible, if not highly probable, iconoclastic notion, first postulated either in the 16th century or the 1880s but gaining flattering attention within the last decade.

According to the theory, a little arsenic, dioxin or radiation peppered on the spaghetti sauce may be just what we require to live long and healthy lives. And since humans need more toxins in our environment than allowed under current government regulations, so the theory goes, future efforts to clean up the environment could be greatly reduced.

The idea is that poisons such as arsenic are, of course, poisonous – that is, if one ingests too much they will produce sickness or death. But arsenic and other toxins in very low doses, below an amount deemed harmful, repeatedly have been shown to benefit the functions of organs, the optimal growth of the organism or longevity.

According to scientists who favor this theory, when the human body, or cell, becomes stressed or damaged by a small amount of poison, it not only repairs the damage but overcompensates and becomes stronger than it was. The phenomenon is similar to exercise; by jogging or lifting weights, one may stretch and exhaust the muscle tissue, which causes soreness. But later the muscle not only repairs itself but overcompensates and improves to the point where one can lift more weight or run longer and faster.

Chon Shoaf, a scientist with the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA, at Research Triangle Park, N.C., says recent work on hormesis "is revolutionary and we want people to be aware of it. It has the potential to generate substantial savings."

The persons most responsible for conceptualizing and exalting this pioneering research since the 1990s, and who may flip EPA policy upside down to the benefit of taxpayers and every organism down to the last menacing insect, is Edward Calabrese, 56, a toxicology professor at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his longtime assistant Linda Baldwin. He has been described as "one of the leading toxicologists in the country." Speaking to Insight in his messy office, whose floor for the last three years has featured what appears to be the largest malfunctioning air conditioner ever seen on planet Earth, Calabrese explains his breakthrough research. These are ideas, ironically, that were generated not by an elite Massachusetts university with posh paraphernalia on the banks of the Charles River, but rather from the "70 to 80 hours weekly" this scientist toils at his lunch-pail university that the elitists sometimes refer to as "Zoo Mass."

"I believe there is not a single chemical that does not" exhibit patterns of hormesis, Calabrese says. It is a general response that is shown with mercury, lead, components of cigarette smoke, cadmium, marijuana, cocaine, alcohol and "everything that is regulated by the EPA."

One example is the first time Calabrese witnessed hormesis as an undergraduate student at Bridgewater State College in Massachusetts in 1966. He had been assigned to retard the growth of peppermint plants with high doses of a growth-retardant chemical. Not only did the plants not die, they grew taller than normal – a result, Calabrese says, that comes from mistakenly treating the plants with what proved to be too little growth-retardant.

The policy implication for this work, if proved valid, is stratospheric. It means the EPA could permit higher concentrations of so-called toxins in the environment, actually encouraging healthier lives and simultaneously saving money by not cleaning "toxic" sites. After all, the EPA now assumes the optimal level for a vast majority of carcinogens is zero parts per billion – in other words, none at all.

What makes the work of Calabrese and Baldwin especially credible as these things go is that their research is not uniquely their own, but an analysis of thousands of toxicology studies done by others the world over.

"We evaluated about 21,000 cases, using 2 percent on which the data were most complete," Calabrese says. "Of those 2 percent, 40 percent showed hormesis." Most toxicology studies are not helpful in analyzing for hormesis because the doses of toxins used are too high since researchers are studying a poison's threshold of lethality and not its potential beneficial properties. According to Calabrese, "The model showing hormesis has a huge amount of data, more than any other competing model. This is so overwhelmingly convincing I do not think anyone rational could deny that hormesis exists."

That said, another reason scientists are taking the work of Calabrese so seriously is the environmental cleanup and expense implications of work he has done in the past. At one point his studies drew the wrath of the chemical industry, the same circle now delighting in his conclusions on hormesis.

This Massachusetts scientist was in fact the primary proponent of the "single-exposure carcinogen theory," which says that humans sometimes can contract cancer with just one exposure to a carcinogen, a theory with the potential to add millions to the cost of chemical manufacturing.

It also was virtually his testimony alone in the 1990s that forced the government to spend millions of additional dollars cleaning a toxic site in Colorado to a much higher standard than previously expected, and contrary to the testimony of others and at least one irate newspaper.

"I am nonideological," Calabrese says. "But my work on hormesis is a little like President [Richard] Nixon going to China."

Calabrese is the first to say more research needs to be done "before we start handing out radiation pills," though some researchers seem more cautious. Nonetheless, this reporter was unable to find any toxicologist who substantially disagreed with Calabrese's work on hormesis, including officials at the Sierra Club, a prominent environmental advocacy group.

At the same time, "There are trade-offs in hormesis that we cannot forget about," warns Michael Davis, an EPA scientist also in North Carolina. "I do not believe all organisms share the same mechanical basis of hormesis. I see it as a variety of things." Thus, each poison must be evaluated separately because each particular toxin may affect different parts of an organism differently.

For example, a toxin at low doses may help a person grow taller, but also damage his liver. Another difficulty is the possibility that a particular poison at a certain dose may help one individual, yet hurt another.

"But I am not ruling out that hormesis could have significant EPA policy implications," says Davis.

According to Calabrese, hormesis also has an ugly side for some drugs prescribed by physicians. It means some pharmaceuticals that might cure a sickness at high doses could hurt at low doses. "The effects flip," he says. "So I want my doctor to know about hormesis, though unfortunately most are unaware of it."

One who apparently did not know about hormesis, or at least whose office refused to respond to repeated messages about it, was recently resigned EPA administrator Christine Todd Whitman, who would not comment even on the work of her own people on this matter.

"The EPA does not want the American people to become cognizant of good environmental news, or potential savings in environmental cleanup, because in part they view the agency as a jobs program," says a scientist who often engages the EPA. "If the American people realize the environment is getting cleaner and healthier, they might seek to cut the funding of the EPA because much of its purpose has been accomplished. They seem to be afraid of losing their jobs."

Although properties of hormesis have been documented for many years, Calabrese says there are several reasons why it took the scientific community so long to examine hormesis and his research about it seriously. The EPA controls a large part of the funding, and therefore how the research is conducted, he says. Since the government is interested in saving lives, the research it funds in this area is almost always to study a toxin's lethal effect, as opposed to its beneficial side, so the research is not generated.

In addition, the beneficial effects of a poison tend to be less dramatic than its deadly results, he says, so it is less noticeable. It may benefit a plant in small amounts by only 30 percent, but in larger doses its pernicious effect may be a factor of 10 times. Scientists also often will see a benefit of only 1 percent of the time in a study because most of the research involves much higher doses, and "they blow it off," according to Calabrese.

"They think it is a freak thing. They have to learn to think out[side] of the box," he says.

But thanks in part to Calabrese and Baldwin, that box now has been broken wide open and good news is spilling all over the ground. It is a toxic spill with which we all can learn to live.




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1 posted on 01/03/2004 6:43:01 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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2 posted on 01/03/2004 6:44:02 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Hi Mom! Hi Dad!)
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To: JohnHuang2
It's a yin/yang thing.
3 posted on 01/03/2004 6:45:37 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: JohnHuang2
Sounds like a variant of homeopathy. Which I have evidence often works, although I cannot account for it based on standard biochemical models.
4 posted on 01/03/2004 6:56:24 AM PST by Restorer
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To: JohnHuang2
I will test this theory by ingesting a couple ounces of a toxin while watching football today.

C2H5OH

5 posted on 01/03/2004 7:06:09 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Plate Teutonics: The theory that Germans are moving the continents.)
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To: Restorer
That's what I was thinking also. We use homeopathy quite a bit. It has worked for us many times.

6 posted on 01/03/2004 7:28:44 AM PST by ToKillaMockingbird
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To: JohnHuang2
"The EPA does not want the American people to become cognizant of good environmental news, or potential savings in environmental cleanup, because in part they view the agency as a jobs program," says a scientist who often engages the EPA. "If the American people realize the environment is getting cleaner and healthier, they might seek to cut the funding of the EPA because much of its purpose has been accomplished. They seem to be afraid of losing their jobs."

Well, DUH!!!

The EPA IS nothing more than a government bureaucracy.

All bureaucracies are metastasized cancers whose sole purpose is to consume resources and grow larger.

7 posted on 01/03/2004 8:33:28 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: JohnHuang2
The most fastidious clean careful people that I have met are also the sickest!

I have consumed huge amounts of asbestos, lead (siphoning gas, chewing it for gum, breathing lead oxide and paint, sanding body lead before bondo, etc.), trichlorethlene, and the vapors from spraying around 1000 gal. of paint yearly, dust from construction and anything else you might think of including DDT which I love the smell of and i've smoked since I was 11.

It's now been 57 years since i've been sick, had the measles when I was 8, and have never had the flu.
8 posted on 01/03/2004 8:50:56 AM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: farmfriend; editor-surveyor
ping
9 posted on 01/03/2004 8:54:41 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: JohnHuang2; *puff_list; Just another Joe; SheLion; Max McGarrity; Conspiracy Guy; metesky; ...
The EPA controls a large part of the funding, and therefore how the research is conducted, he says. Since the government is interested in saving lives, the research it funds in this area is almost always to study a toxin's lethal effect, as opposed to its beneficial side, so the research is not generated.

It seems we're not the only ones who have been saying the same thing for quite some time!!!

10 posted on 01/03/2004 9:25:28 AM PST by Gabz (smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
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To: Restorer
My sister gets asthma and cough each winter. Last year she took a common homepathic lung formulation and her problems ended
11 posted on 01/03/2004 9:28:07 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Gabz
"The EPA does not want the American people to become cognizant of good environmental news, or potential savings in environmental cleanup, because in part they view the agency as a jobs program," It isn't just the EPA, it's all government agencies!
12 posted on 01/03/2004 9:28:24 AM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: dalereed
Agreed.
13 posted on 01/03/2004 9:29:59 AM PST by Gabz (smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business -swat'em)
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To: dalereed
You SMOKE DDT? Wtf?!
14 posted on 01/03/2004 9:32:45 AM PST by rebelyell
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To: Gabz
It appears that the dose may make more than the poison.

It's just possible it could keep you healthier.

15 posted on 01/03/2004 9:41:23 AM PST by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: rebelyell
I've smoked cigarettes since I was 11 and breathed DDT daily during the summer in the 40s and early 50s spraying the back patio where we cooked and ate dinner most evenings.

Sorry for the bad grammar in the prior post.
16 posted on 01/03/2004 9:42:07 AM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: dennisw
For almost a year when she was two, my daughter had severe exzema, with only the soles of her feet and her scalp clear. We had to tie socks on her hands to keep her from clawing herself bloody. It got to where almost all my wife could do was rock her all day long while she cried. (Needless to say, Mom also almost went crazy.)

We tried every imaginable form of therapy, from cortisone injections to nutrition to acupuncture. Nothing worked, at all, and some of the side effects were nasty.

We finally located a homeopath 4 hours away. We drove there, went through the whole interview process, and he gave her a tiny amount of sulphur. At this point, she hadn't really slept in two days and nights. Within about 30 seconds of the sulphur entering her mouth, she went right to sleep. She slept all the way home and for almost 24 hours straight. When she woke up her eczema was almost entirely gone, and with one relapse has never come back.

This was over 20 years ago, when homeopathy was almost an underground movement.

I can't explain these results by standard science. The classic AMA explanation for the successes of homeopathy is "placebo effect." I defy anyone to get placebo effect to work on a 2-year old!

17 posted on 01/03/2004 9:45:13 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
I'm glad you got such happy results with homeopathy. It doesn't work for all but then neither do conventional medicines (drugs) and doctors have no qualms, no shame in prescribing them anyway on the theory they hopefully they will work.
18 posted on 01/03/2004 9:51:36 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dalereed
My neighbor, who is also my cousin, is absolutely anal about food and environmental toxins. It's painful to have a meal with her because she talks non-stop about the "good" and "bad" properties of the food we are eating. I always find delight in informing her about the latest study that controverts the conventional "wisdom" that she so stringently lives by.

Oh, and she is a strict vegetarian who has thyroid, glaucoma, high cholesterol and heart problems.

19 posted on 01/03/2004 9:55:45 AM PST by hobson
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The EPA IS nothing more than a government bureaucracy

Just like the Sugeon General. He is neither a Surgeon OR a General. heh!


20 posted on 01/03/2004 9:58:56 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: hobson
I completely understand your problem.

I went out to eat with someone last night.

I ordered the Tuna sandwhich. They then told me that it was best "not to eat that" because there is a risk that the Tuna might be bad.

And this wasn't at some 2 bit restuarant either!
21 posted on 01/03/2004 9:59:09 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (You know how those liberals are. Two's Company but three is a fundraiser.)
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To: Gabz; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; ...
It seems we're not the only ones who have been saying the same thing for quite some time!!!

Oh yes! They sure know how to spin it. They don't want to tell the truth for fear of losing their jobs and/or funding. Just like the Anti-Tobacco Coalitions.

You got it, Gabz!

What a total waste of tax payers money!

22 posted on 01/03/2004 10:01:04 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: KarlInOhio
If the Packers lose, I'll drink a bottle of Clorox.
23 posted on 01/03/2004 10:01:10 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: rebelyell
You SMOKE DDT? Wtf?!

OH MY GAWD HE SMOKES!  THROW HIM INTO A HOLDING CELL!

My goodness!  It IS legal you know. heh!

24 posted on 01/03/2004 10:03:06 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Restorer
"Small doses stimulate, moderate doses poison, large doses kill." That observation is hundreds of years old.

25 posted on 01/03/2004 10:37:37 AM PST by Trickyguy
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To: SheLion
As a 71 year old smoker I tend to agree. Kids are sicker now than 30-40 years ago when many of their parents smoked.

I've heard it called "lazy lung" in that the lungs never breathe anything even slightly toxic and therefore can't fight off lung disease.

26 posted on 01/03/2004 10:44:32 AM PST by Mears
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To: SheLion
As a 71 year old smoker I tend to agree. Kids are sicker now than 30-40 years ago when many of their parents smoked.

I've heard it called "lazy lung" in that the lungs never breathe anything even slightly toxic and therefore can't fight off lung disease.

27 posted on 01/03/2004 10:44:44 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
Sorry for the duplicate post----new computer with very sensitive keys.
28 posted on 01/03/2004 10:46:20 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
I consider all the "toxics" and other bad things that I consume and breath to be immune system stimulants that not only enhance the imune system but keep it on ready allert!
29 posted on 01/03/2004 10:47:16 AM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: KarlInOhio
Well, did it work?
30 posted on 01/03/2004 10:49:32 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: Mears
I tend to agree with your assessment. Most of the younger people I meet get ghastly allergic to anything and everything under the sun. A consequence of too much protection from things in the world when kids are young, I postulate.

Larger issue here is, of course: women. (Dons flame-retardant material). Ever since they got uppity with this women's lib crap (not to mention getting the vote), they do what women do: worry and fret and try to keep their kids safe from anything and everything. I mean, it's a natural instinct, there is no faulting that. The fault is the excesses this has been carried to through overempowerment. Oh, and certain geldings like Ralph Nader.

Kids are gonna get sick, skin their knees, break an arm climbing a tree, run through poison oak. That's what they do. That's what they HAVE to do, and aren't being allowed to do by a combination of government regulation, state education, and a de-balled society in general.

There's a whole Taoist discussion that could be brought in here, but basically, it can be summed as: we've lost our natural balance. If it's not regained one way, nature has a way of correcting us in another.

31 posted on 01/03/2004 11:00:47 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Dr.Deth
I agree with everything you said,we can't hover over kids and expect them to grow into healthy human beings.

Kids need to explore and experiment,fight with eachother,and yes,get hurt,or how are they going to get along in the larger world.

I live in a city with neighborhood elementary schools so that kids can walk,but that's not done anymore. The mothers are there with the SUVs waiting every day,and the kids never walk to or from school.

Kids need to roll in the dirt more,forget these scheduled "play dates",and learn to get along without adult supervision.


32 posted on 01/03/2004 11:20:35 AM PST by Mears
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To: JohnHuang2
My sis-in-law is the type who not only doesn't allow smoking in her house, but also loads her kids up on a pharmacy's worth of medicines, won't have a pet, and (I'm not joking) literally wipes her kitchen and bathroom down with BLEACH every time she uses it.

Guess what?

Her kids (and she) are sick ALL THE TIME. They have spent the entire winter fighting coughs, colds, flus, and other assorted viruses. But they CAN'T fight them (especially the kids), because she hasn't allowed their little immune systems to GROW. The instant the children get even the teeniest bit dirty (like when playing with MY kids, for example), she rushes them off to the anti-bacterial soap factory that is her bathroom.

She is shocked (SHOCKED, I tell you!) to find that I do not own one single bar of the nasty orange stuff (Ivory for us, thanks).

Now, while my house isn't dirty, I confess to not being the "I've got to dust, vacuum and sterilize this place every day" type. Having a sterile house is fine if you never plan to go OUT, but unless you are a hermit, you will go out and get exposed to all kinds of nasty little bugs. With no natural immune system upon which to rely, you may as well be wearing a great big bulls-eye for the germs on your back.

As far as I'm concerned, the best way to keep everybody healthy is to OPEN THE DOORS or CRACK THE WINDOWS to let fresh air in.

Sis-in-law insists on an hermetically-sealed house. It's clean, but it smells like a dentist's office...

Regards,
33 posted on 01/03/2004 11:33:31 AM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Mears
As a 71 year old smoker I tend to agree. Kids are sicker now than 30-40 years ago when many of their parents smoked.

I was brought up in the 50's and 60's. ALL THE ADULTS SMOKED! I worked in a nightclub, where everyone smoked. Other jobs I had.........everyone smoked. Going out to nightclubs at night with friends, drinking and smoking and NO smoke eaters!

I could go on and on but you already know what I am going to say.............there was NO ASTHMA back in those days. NONE. And kids weren't so sickly either.

The anti's today would have everyone believe that asthma and all the ill health of kids are blamed on smoking. But I don't think there are many today that smoke around their kids, do you? The Health Department has embedded guilt in responsible adults so deep that they don't DARE smoke around their kids.

I'm sick of this War on the Smokers and I sure am sick of TRUTH and all the Partnership for a Tobacco Free Coalition across the U.S. (I need a cigarette to calm down...........)

34 posted on 01/03/2004 11:47:00 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: JohnHuang2; AAABEST; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

35 posted on 01/03/2004 11:50:02 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: SheLion
I'm with you,let's light up and think about it.

The vet that I use for my dog even has a sign on the wall saying that smoking is bad for pets.Try to explain that to my 12 year old Sheltie who was preceded by another Sheltie who lasted 15 years.(Of course they were both non- smokers so the antis would say that's why they lived so long)

I've said it before,we are living in a world gone mad with junk science.
36 posted on 01/03/2004 11:58:08 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
Sources of Indoor Air Contaminants

Source: OSHA  http://www.osha-slc.gov/FedReg_osha_data/FED19940405.html
A wide variety of substances are emitted by building construction materials and interior furnishings, appliances, office equipment, and supplies, human activities, and biological agents.

For example, formaldehyde is emitted from various wood products, including particle board, plywood, pressed-wood, paneling, some carpeting and backing, some furniture and dyed materials, urea-formaldehyde insulating foam, some cleaners and deodorizers, and from press textiles. Volatile organic compounds, including alkanes, aromatic hydrocarbons, esters, alcohols, aldehydes, and ketones are emitted from solvents and cleaning compounds, paints, glues, caulks, and resins, spray propellants, fabric softeners and deodorizers, unvented combustion sources, dry-cleaning fluids, arts and crafts, some fabrics and furnishings,
stored gasoline, cooking, building and roofing materials, waxes and polishing compounds, pens and markers, binders and plasticizers. Pesticides also contain a variety of toxic organic compounds.

Building materials are point sources of emissions that include a variety of VOCs (Table
III-1).

Some of these materials have been linked to indoor air quality problems. The probability of a source emitting contaminants is related to the age of the material. The newer the material, the higher the potential for emitting contaminants. These materials include adhesives, carpeting, caulks, glazing compounds, and paints [Ex. 4-33]. These materials, as well as
furnishings can act as a sponge or sink in which VOCs are absorbed and then re-emitted later.

Appliances, office equipment, and supplies can emit VOCs and also particulates [Ex.
4-33]. Table III-2 lists the many contaminants that can be emitted from these point sources.
There is an indirect relationship between the age of the point source and the potential rate of
contaminant emission [Ex. 4-33].

It goes on to list all the "evils" in our home.

37 posted on 01/03/2004 12:02:15 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: *all
Here is the link. I forgot to add the other link.

Sources of Indoor Air Contaminants

38 posted on 01/03/2004 12:03:49 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
That's unbelievable.

And many of these toxins are in buildings where you can't even open a window and have to breathe re-circulated air all day.

THe antis never look at those facts,though,it might dilute their agenda.
39 posted on 01/03/2004 12:06:15 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
The vet that I use for my dog even has a sign on the wall saying that smoking is bad for pets.Try to explain that to my 12 year old Sheltie who was preceded by another Sheltie who lasted 15 years.(Of course they were both non- smokers so the antis would say that's why they lived so long)

Oh yes! The Coalition of PAID Anti's have gotten to the medical society, that's for sure.

I always have pets in my home. Mostly cats. But they ALL live well past 14 years old. And they are indoor cats. In the summer, I might take them in the yard on a leash, but not that much. They are completely indoor pets. None of them wheeze and cough and have watery eyes, not ever.

What does THAT tell you?

And before Ralph died recently, there was always at least two smokers in this house. My daughter smokes, and SHE smoked in this house before she got married. So, that was THREE smokers in this house. Never bothered our beloved pets one bit.

Just another saga for the War On The Smokers.

40 posted on 01/03/2004 12:08:55 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: VermiciousKnid
Just read your post about your sister-in-law.

What a way to live! She will drive herself and her kids crazy if she doesn't lighten up.

Too much use of anti bacterials are proving to be harmful.
41 posted on 01/03/2004 12:11:59 PM PST by Mears
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To: JohnHuang2
This theory is not as wacky as it sounds. Take vaccines for example: A vaccine is simply the very disease you want to innoculate yourself from - only in a small amount. For example, a smallpox vaccination consists of a small dose of smallpox itself. The body is thus able to handle this small dose and develop resistance to it so that a full-blown case further down the road is avoided.
42 posted on 01/03/2004 12:12:11 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Mears
And many of these toxins are in buildings where you can't even open a window and have to breathe re-circulated air all day.

Here's another thing I will tell you:  I was a Travel Agent when Northwest, in all their glory, was the first airline to go smoke free and proud of it.  That opened the door to the rest of the airlines being forced into going smoke free............now the AIRPORTS are smoke free.

Well, Northwest said that their FILTERS in the PLANES were FILTHY from the smoke.  After a few years, one brave soul came forward and said that THEY ARE STILL FILTHY!  That re-circulated  air is just full of pollutants.

Why?  Because when the airlines went smoke free, they thought they didn't have to change the filters as much. Heh! And people are breathing in that foul, bacteria laden air, and all the non-smokers think that the air in planes are just fine, because gee whiz................NO ONE IS SMOKING.  Wake UP people! SARS ANYONE?

43 posted on 01/03/2004 12:13:42 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
My daughter smokes & she has 2 indoor cats. When she lights up one cats eyes water & the other cat doesn't. Like I have been telling ya She, we are all different.
44 posted on 01/03/2004 12:16:24 PM PST by Ditter
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How work can make you sick

Excerpt:

Offices can make you sick, according to the British Allergy Foundation.

A survey by NOP found at least 40% of office workers have symptoms which have been linked to sick building syndrome, such as sore eyes and throats, headaches and tiredness.

Many workers would put those symptoms down to the stress of poring over a complex report.



45 posted on 01/03/2004 12:17:01 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
Not only are the airlines not changing filters as often but they have cut down on the actual circulation of fresh air since smoking was prohibited.

As a result people are more like to get diseases. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'd rather put up with a smokey atmosphere than contract TB,than you very much.
46 posted on 01/03/2004 12:18:41 PM PST by Mears
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To: Ditter
My daughter smokes & she has 2 indoor cats. When she lights up one cats eyes water & the other cat doesn't. Like I have been telling ya She, we are all different.

My daughter and son-in-law smoke. But since they had the baby, they go outside on their balcony to smoke. They have three cats. The one cat always had watery eyes. And it hasn't let up the past two years since they have been smoking on the balcony. I dunno............I guess there is an argument to everything.


47 posted on 01/03/2004 12:23:17 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Mears
As a result people are more like to get diseases. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'd rather put up with a smokey atmosphere than contract TB,than you very much.

"THEY" say that smoking is the root of ALL evils. Well, I think people are finding out that this just isn't true.

48 posted on 01/03/2004 12:25:28 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Mears
Health Alerts

You Don't Smoke?  Guess You're Safe?  Think Again.   And Then Stop Wasting Your Life Worrying.

Also...  You think someone else's cigarette smoke is killing you? Check out what the real threats are.

49 posted on 01/03/2004 12:27:48 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Mears
The EPA Fraud Alert

THE WORLD HAS BEEN CHEATED BY THE ANTI-TOBACCO CARTEL

USA Federal Court Judge Osteens Rulings
THE DAMNING DECISION

Here is the whole US Federal Court decision. This decision makes liars of all those "professionals" who have exposed themselves by stating that ETS hurts children and adults. It severely questions the integrity of our institutions, and those ministries and department of health who have promoted smoking bans, and manipulated the public opinion into the perception that "smokers are killers". It accuses politicians, health activists, certain doctors, and whoever else has engaged in the persecution of smokers of being corrupted. The anti-smoking cartel has been officially stamped with the truth. But this will not deter it from proceeding with its agenda of repression and deceit. In fact, the cartel has already announced that this decision will not alter its agenda.

When exposed for what it is, the cartel shows no modesty, but it even accelerates the suppression of liberties and its criminal promotion of deceit for as long as it is not stopped by the force of those who are the oppressed.

THE TEXT OF THE DECISION OF THE US FEDERAL COURT ON THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE EPA

"EPA publicly committed to a conclusion before research has begun; excluded industry by violating the [Radon] Act's procedural requirements; adjusted established procedure and scientific norms to validate the agencies public conclusion, and aggressively used the Act's authority to disseminate findings to establish a de facto regulatory scheme intended to restrict Plaintiff's products and to influence public opinion" "The Court is faced with the ugly possibility that EPA adopted a methodology for each chapter, without explanation, based on the outcome sought in that chapter"

"The Court is disturbed that EPA and Kenneth Brown [one of the EPA report's authors] buttress the bioplausibility theory with epidemiological studies. EPA's theory must be independently plausible"

JUDGE OSTEEN'S ORDER

Judge Osteen granted Plaintiff's (the tobacco industry's) motion for partial summary judgement, ordering that Chapter 1 to Chapter 6 and appendices in the EPA's "Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders," (December 1992), be vacated. According to Black's Law, Fourth Edition, the term "vacated" means:

To annul; to set aside; to cancel or rescind; to render an act void; as, to vacate an entry or record, or a judgement.

In layman's terms, Chapters 1 to 6 and appendices to that 1992 EPA secondhand smoke report no longer exist. Therefore, the following conclusions, as taken verbatim from Chapter 1, page 1, of the report, do not exist, and must be disregarded:

THE EPA STATED:
("1.1 Major Conclusions:") THE US FEDERAL COURT RULED:
"Based on the weight of the available scientific evidence, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has concluded that the widespread exposure to environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) presents a serious and substantial public health impact." VACATED

In adults: "ETS is a human lung carcinogen responsible for approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths annually in the U.S. nonsmokers." VACATED

In children: "ETS exposure is casually associated with an increased risk of lower respiratory tract infections LRIs) such as bronchitis and pneumonia. This report estimates that 150,000 to 300,000 cases annually in infants and young children up to 18 months of age are attributed to ETS." VACATED

"ETS exposure in casually associated with increased prevalence of fluid in the middle ear, symptoms of upper respiratory tract irritation, and small but significant reduction in lung function." VACATED

"ETS exposure is casually associated with additional episodes and increased severity of symptoms in children with asthma. This report estimates that 200,000 to 1,000,000 asthmatic children have their condition worsened by exposure to ETS." VACATED

"ETS exposure is a risk factor for new cases of asthma in children who have not previously displayed symptoms." VACATED

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USA Federal Court Judge Osteen's Decision. The EPA ETS Fraud. (1998)

The full 93-page decision document is a synopsis of that decision. This judge vacated all the EPA scientific findings on ETS as fraud and lies and states that passive smoking is not a carcinogen. Vacated means that the science involved no longer exists. The antis are still using this unavailable struck down bullshit against the smoker and the media lets them. WHY???

The decision accuses politicians, health Nazis, certain doctors, and whoever else has engaged in the persecution of smokers of being corrupt. In other words this learned and respected judge is informing you dumbass reporters that anti-smokers lie their bloody pants off, but is this newsworthy, hell no, you lot just keep taking the crap off the antis with no investigation into its being factual and print it. Are you a bunch of spineless jellyfish? Why are you frightened to go against the health Nazis? If I as a factory worker can see through the crap why cant you??

I need say no more about this decision it speaks volumes for itself, take the time to find the full court transcript and ask yourself why this was not the biggest news story of the 20th century. ANTI-SMOKING CARTELS AND HEALTH ACTIVIST, GOVERNMENT LIED. The general public and even the smoker have been lied to and brainwashed on this subject through the media for so long now that they believe anything they hear because they never or rarely hear anything pro-smoking. Like the juror on the latest 173billion dollar lawsuit in the state believed that a smoker couldn't get throat cancer any other way but from his smoking, his work didn't matter and now anything the tobacco industry says is seen as a lie without any research into the matter. If you smoke by association that is what you die of. It's a lie a damned lie and there are many scientists and doctors who would back me up on that.

And the anti-smoking lies go on as they still try to tell whoever is silly enough to listen that Judge Osteen did not deal with asthma and ETS. Bloody lying bastards!!!!!

Joy Faulkner

50 posted on 01/03/2004 12:31:33 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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