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Myth and the Gospel: The Lord of the Rings' stroll with Screwtape
Razormouth.com ^ | 12/30/03 | John W. Whitehead

Posted on 12/30/2003 5:36:30 AM PST by rhema

Disgraced [man] may be, yet he is not dethroned, And keeps the rags of Lordship once he owned. —from the poem "Mythopoeia," by J.R.R. Tolkien

It was Saturday, Sept. 19, 1931. Oxford University English professors J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis had just finished dinner and decided to take a now-widely reported stroll with their friend Henry Dyson.

Fame had not yet touched their lives. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings was still some 20 years away from being written. And Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters had not yet seen the light of day.

As the story goes, on that warm, still night, as they wandered over Oxford’s green pastures, their talk turned to the subject of myths, which Lewis insisted were enjoyable but only to be believed by children. Adults knew better: myths were lies.

Tolkien was quick to disagree. He argued that however untrue myths might seem, they contained elements of truth. Unlike Lewis at the time, Tolkien was a Christian. Indeed, Tolkien asserted, the mythmaker was himself a creator, created as he was by God. Thus, when the mythmaker undertook to spin a tale, elements of truth inevitably found themselves interwoven with myth.

At a crucial point in the discussion, they found themselves distracted by a sudden gust of wind. Standing in the dark, they listened to the ensuing rain-like patter of falling leaves. By the time they resumed their walk, their conversation had turned to Christianity and its doctrines.

Lewis was having difficulty believing Tolkien’s argument for Christianity, particularly the doctrine of Christ’s redemption of mankind. He couldn’t understand “how the life and death of someone else (whoever he was) 2,000 years ago” could help them there and then—except insofar as his example helped them. Lewis had read the Gospels, but nowhere did he find this example business. Instead, he found “propitiation” and “sacrifice” and “blood of the lamb”—all expressions that Lewis could interpret only in the sense that seemed to him “either silly or shocking.”

“What is wrong with sacrifice?” asked Tolkien, a Roman Catholic. There was nothing wrong with sacrifice, Lewis had to concede. He had always liked “the idea of sacrifice in a pagan story,” he said, “the idea of a god sacrificing himself to himself” and “the idea of dying and reviving God.” But the idea of such notions of sacrifice was entirely out of place when it came to interpreting the Gospels.

If pagan stories were “God expressing himself through minds of poets, using such images as he found there,” Tolkien argued with vigor, then Christianity might well be construed as God expressing himself through what men call “real things.” And why couldn’t the story of Christ be construed as a myth that was true but with a tremendous difference—it really happened?

As the evening wore on, Lewis grew more certain that the Christian story had to be approached in the same way that he approached other so-called myths and that it was “the most important and full of meaning.” By three o’clock that morning, Lewis was almost certain that it had really happened.

In the days following, Lewis returned time and again to his talk with Tolkien. Twelve days after that memorable September night, Lewis wrote to a friend, “I have passed on from believing in God to definitely believing in Christ—in Christianity. My talk with Dyson and Tolkien had a good deal to do with it.”

Lewis would go on to become a staunch Christian apologist. He would also write the beloved children’s books The Chronicles of Narnia, as well as The Screwtape Letters, a series of letters from a senior demon to a junior demon.

Tolkien in a few short years would write The Hobbit and, at the urging of Lewis, later complete The Lord of the Rings, becoming one of the most read authors in history.

There is little doubt that the urgency of the Ring-bearers’ mission against the force of darkness was quickened by Tolkien’s sense, as he wrote, that “there will be a ‘millennium,’ the prophesied thousand year rule of the Saints, i.e. those who have for all their imperfections never finally bowed heart and will to the world or evil spirit.”

Such were the lives and works of Tolkien and Lewis—thanks to a September stroll.


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1 posted on 12/30/2003 5:36:54 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema
"The Screwtape Letters, a series of letters from a senior demon to a junior demon."


If you've never read 'The Screwtape Letters', get a copy and read it. Not too long, reads easily, and is one of THE classics of all time. Outstanding.

After you've read it, get a copy of C.S.Lewis' 'Mere Christianity'. All Christians (and non-believers) should read it. Lewis's supreme effort!
2 posted on 12/30/2003 5:44:52 AM PST by Maria S ("…the end is near…this time, Americans are serious; Bush is not like Clinton." Uday Hussein 4/9/03)
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To: ecurbh
Ping!
3 posted on 12/30/2003 5:48:00 AM PST by Lil'freeper (By all that we hold dear on this Earth I bid you stand, men of the West!)
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To: ecurbh; HairOfTheDog; xzins; Mudboy Slim
ping
4 posted on 12/30/2003 5:49:09 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Can I exchange this tagline without a receipt?)
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To: Maria S
I've read both, and you're right: they are outstanding. I try to read at least something by Lewis, whether fiction or nonfiction, every year. This year it was Perelandra.
5 posted on 12/30/2003 5:49:42 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema
He would also write the beloved children’s books The Chronicles of Narnia,

Children's books
I have read & enjoyed them throughout the last 35 years. First read when I was 35. As Lewis said - to me of course - in the preface to Lion Witch & Wardrobe you are now old enough to begin.

Thanks for the post, I had not heard it before.

6 posted on 12/30/2003 5:55:04 AM PST by Dahlseide (I love Lucy (& Peter & Edmund & Susan but most of all Aslan))
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To: shezza
Ping-a-ling-a-ling for LOTR
7 posted on 12/30/2003 5:58:33 AM PST by N8VTXNinWV
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To: Maria S
After you've read it, get a copy of C.S.Lewis' 'Mere Christianity'. All Christians (and non-believers) should read it. Lewis's supreme effort!

And if you have children, have them read (or read to them) 'The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe'.

8 posted on 12/30/2003 6:02:19 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse (Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.)
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To: rhema
Bump!
9 posted on 12/30/2003 6:05:49 AM PST by auboy (I'm out here on the front lines, sleep in peace tonight–American Soldier–Toby Keith, Chuck Cannon)
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To: BibChr; Caleb1411; The Big Econ
BUMP
10 posted on 12/30/2003 6:06:41 AM PST by rhema
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To: SpookBrat
ping!
11 posted on 12/30/2003 6:10:46 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: Maria S
Nicely judged and well said.
12 posted on 12/30/2003 6:16:34 AM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Look it up!)
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To: rhema
A BUMP for two of the greatest authors of the twentieth Century!
13 posted on 12/30/2003 6:19:10 AM PST by Gritty
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To: rhema
Saw The Return of the King yesterday afternoon with my younger boy. Fantastic movie. I loved the whole series which is permeated by the Spirit of Christ. Highly recommended.
14 posted on 12/30/2003 6:24:21 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: rhema
Lewis's trilogy, Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra and That Hideous Strength are books I'd also recommend highly. Each stands alone quite well, but taken in series they enhance each other.

Perelandra has the most chilling description of pure evil I've ever read.

Good morals, good stories - C.S. Lewis is well worth your time.

15 posted on 12/30/2003 6:26:27 AM PST by jimt
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Ring Ping!!
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16 posted on 12/30/2003 7:03:55 AM PST by ecurbh
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bookmark ping
17 posted on 12/30/2003 7:57:53 AM PST by ibheath (Born-again and grateful to God for it.)
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To: Maria S
"The Great Divorce" was a real gem too.
18 posted on 12/30/2003 8:13:47 AM PST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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19 posted on 12/30/2003 1:23:59 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: rhema
Tolkien was a catholic. Catholics don't believe in Millenialism, i.e. that there will be a thousand years of peace with perfect people. I haven't seen that quote before.

Most Catholics believe the millenium is the period of time that started with Christ's saving death, but that the war against evil will last til the end of time...in LOTR there is a quote where Gandalf says there are other threats that will come in the future: we cannot master all the evils of the world, but we only have to chosse what to do with the time we are given...(I don't have time to look up the entire quote, sorry, but Jackson's movie gives the shorter version: you only have to choose what to do with the time we are given.

Tolkien was a pessimist on human's ability to make a perfect world, but believed that the ultimate joy would be found at the end of time, meaning after the end of the world there would be a new world to come, an eternal world without death ("a new heaven and a new earth" is the bible quote)...this is not the same as a milleneum, which is assumed to occur BEFORE christ's return to earth.
20 posted on 12/31/2003 4:54:36 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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