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Ridge Holds Briefing at 3:30 EST
Fox Cable News | 12/29/2003 | FNC

Posted on 12/29/2003 10:21:03 AM PST by Semper Paratus

Sec. Ridge will hold a briefing at 3:30 PM EST.
Nothing follows.


TOPICS: Announcements; Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armedmarshals; dhs; dulcinea; homelandsecurity; orangealert; orangealert4; sancho; tomridge
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To: cajungirl; MEG33
Thank for your common sense, ladies.

I am trying to make my way through the thread and I see there was a heavy presence of supercilious nincompoops here.
481 posted on 12/29/2003 4:10:01 PM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: Mo1; Pete-R-Bilt
I think they check the logs and hours on the road also

generally correct. most importantly, they check the weight and tags/permits/registration. If they want to go into more detail, they check the logs, medical, licenses, insurance. If they are really grumpy, they'll inspect the truck (that's a kali revenue thing) and find something wrong.

the pro is on the road until wednesday... I'm pinging him, and he'll let us both know when he gets home.

482 posted on 12/29/2003 4:10:19 PM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: smith288
Clearly a tough cat :)
483 posted on 12/29/2003 4:12:03 PM PST by pointsal
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To: Mulder
The only people who consider you a peasant are democrats (that would not be any of the good people you are addressing here whose words you are twisting), and evidently you.

So sad you have that inferiority complex. President Bush does not consider you a peasant, Tom Ridge does not consider you a peasant, I do not consider you a peasant, though I have a considered opinion about what type of person you are.
484 posted on 12/29/2003 4:18:13 PM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: cyncooper
The only people who consider you a peasant are democrats .

Democrats that are anti-gun, pro big gov't, and anti Bill of Rights? Sounds a lot like the jokers running the GOP right now.

So sad you have that inferiority complex

Another personal attack. I'm overwhelmed by your logic.

President Bush does not consider you a peasant, Tom Ridge does not consider you a peasant

Have you read Patriot Act 2? Not even King George tried that crap.

I do not consider you a peasant, though I have a considered opinion about what type of person you are.

So come out and say it.

485 posted on 12/29/2003 4:27:22 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: HarryCaul
It's obvious that these so-called warnings with no real information behind them don't do a lot for national security. Even among freepers they're seen as pointless

They werent created for you, they were created for law enforcement. If you dont like the alerts, then ignore the changes in status. If you really, really dont like them, write a nasty note to the media and DEMAND that they not publish the information. There is no way that Ridge or anyone else is going to have knowledge of potential attack and not issue some kind of warning, that is political suicide. Leave it up to the individual to decide whether its helpful or not.

486 posted on 12/29/2003 4:30:25 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Mulder
When they denied ANY prior knowledge, that is lying.

By THEY, I assume you are referring to the FBI. The administration didnt know. The FBI couldnt connect the dots and present the info to the white house.

487 posted on 12/29/2003 4:35:12 PM PST by Dave S
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To: FreeReign
Vagueness in law is actually a good thing

"Vagueness" means the rich and powerful can get away with anything, while the rest of us are at the mercy of corrupt judges and prosecutors.

It's also the exact opposite of the "rule of law", which is one of the foundations of a Constitutional Republic.

Vagueness actually leaves more descretion to common law and the people of the jury in determining what is reasonable and what is not resonable than actually putting in hard firm guideless for what is an offense.

Do you live in fantasy land?

Jurors who actually think for themselves are gotten rid of during voir dire.

And those that do make the cut, are told they cannot apply ANY reasoning except that which stated in the law as interpreted by the judge.

Furthermore, information is frequently witheld from jurors, as is the potential sentence for someone if found guilty.

Basically, what your "vague" system has gotten us is a quasi-police state environment, where there are so many laws that no one can obey them all. Where there are so many lawyers and politicians that if someone has it out for you, you are screwed unless you have money. Where minor infractions are now felonies. And where our Supreme Court no longer follows the Constitution.

Which of the two examples better leaves the verdict closer to common law and what is reasonable??

Well, the 30 MPH sign is pretty much meaningless since it was set by a bureaucrat who has never driven that road, and since most people do 40-45 in 30 MPH zones. And the "do not drive fast" is almost as equally subjective.

So I say "not guilty" on both.

488 posted on 12/29/2003 4:36:01 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Dave S
By THEY, I assume you are referring to the FBI. The administration didnt know. The FBI couldnt connect the dots and present the info to the white house

So what happened to these FBI supervisors who stood in the way? I believe many of them were promoted.

All the administration had to do was say: "the FBI screwed up. We're going to sack those bureaucrats who impeded progress of legitimate investigations. We're going to stop wasting time on victimless crimes. And we're going to ask Congress to repeal many of those laws."

Instead they said: "The gov't is perfect. The reason 9/11 happened is that we "allow" you too many freedoms. Therefore we need more police powers and a bigger gov't. Now shut up and get in line".

489 posted on 12/29/2003 4:39:06 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Mulder
Vagueness actually leaves more descretion to common law and the people of the jury in determining what is reasonable and what is not resonable than actually putting in hard firm guideless for what is an offense.

And those that do make the cut, are told they cannot apply ANY reasoning except that which stated in the law as interpreted by the judge.

You just made my point without even knowing it.

490 posted on 12/29/2003 4:41:55 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Amelia; OrangeDaisy
***Why don't you go over to CHAT and start a cat picture thread? What do cats have to do with Ridge's press conference?***

Well, they just brought down my blood pressure. And the tag lines with them were appropriate.
491 posted on 12/29/2003 4:42:20 PM PST by kitkat (Purr, purr)
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To: dixie sass
It's to bad that containers can't all be opened and examined when they arrive.

Importers, especially electronics manufacturers, definitely don't share your disappointment. It would mean a massive increase in "shrinkage" of in-transit inventory. US Customs is increasingly moving to a known-shipper system whereby importers that voluntarily implement more procedural and security controls will be able to more easily import goods, leaving scrutiny to the other manufacturers. Search on C-TPAT for additional info.

492 posted on 12/29/2003 4:42:56 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Mulder
You will find no one saying the government is perfect.Have you had a big problem with the law?
493 posted on 12/29/2003 4:47:52 PM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: kitkat

Meow! Ha ha ha :}

494 posted on 12/29/2003 4:48:10 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ("were it not for the brave , there would be no land of the free")
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To: FreeReign
You just made my point without even knowing it.

Actually, I didn't.

Having a vague law is a very bad idea since it's too easy to run afoul of it. The phrase "appears to be intended...." opens up a can of worms, such that gov't can use it to apply to a wide spectrum of crimes.

This vagueness allows the gov't to charge a defendant, and use that charge to get them to plead guilty to lesser crimes to avoid the chance of a jury convicting them of "terrorism".

Also, another intent of vague laws is to instill fear into the populace.

495 posted on 12/29/2003 4:50:42 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: NittanyLion
Thank you Nittany, I will.
496 posted on 12/29/2003 4:51:30 PM PST by dixie sass (Meow, pfft, pfft, pfft - (hmmmm, claws needed sharpening))
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To: Mulder
I don't have fear instilled.
497 posted on 12/29/2003 4:51:51 PM PST by MEG33 (We Got Him!)
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To: Mulder
How does it feel to get up every morning and know that everything sucks and nothing will ever get better? Must be a drag?
498 posted on 12/29/2003 4:52:06 PM PST by Dave S
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To: cajungirl
Logical, thoughtful, and concise. Your post was a textbook example of the best in FR posts generally. Thank you.

Congressman Billybob

Click here to stick a thumb in the eye of CFR, "Hugh & Series, Critical & Pulled by JimRob."

499 posted on 12/29/2003 4:54:27 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: MEG33
You will find no one saying the government is perfect.

That's pretty much what the Bush administration said after 9/11.

Have you had a big problem with the law?

My problem is that there are so many laws, no one can know them all, and therefore every American is guilty of breaking some law or another.

By expanding the police powers and their budgets, it simply increases the likelihood of Joe Q. Citizen becoming the target of a politically motivated prosecution.

And by federalizing the police powers, it makes it MUCH more difficult to hold the offending parties accountable at the ballot box.

500 posted on 12/29/2003 4:54:55 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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