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US in row with France over terror operation
The Telegraph ^ | 12/25/03 | Telegraph

Posted on 12/25/2003 7:28:07 PM PST by Mark Felton

American and French officials yesterday traded mutual recriminations over the failure to snare any terrorists in the security operation that grounded six Air France flights in and out of Los Angeles.

Bush administration officials expressed frustration that al-Qa'eda operatives might have escaped capture after word leaked, early this week, of American concerns about flights from France to the United States over the Christmas period.

One official said Washington had been hoping to keep the US-French negotiations confidential, adding that the hope was that "we would be able to lure some of these people in".

However, a French interior ministry spokesman said little evidence of a terrorist plot had been found.

French authorities released seven men - one French, one American and several Algerians - whose names were found to be on US watch-lists.

The seven men were all due to board a flight on Wednesday and had been briefly questioned. French authorities found nothing to suggest the men had terrorist links.

A spokesman for the French prime minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin, said the decision to cancel the flights came early on Christmas Eve after American authorities notified France that "two or three" suspicious people, possibly Tunisian nationals, were on the manifests of three Los Angeles-bound flights.

M Raffarin's spokesman added that the United States had threatened to refuse the planes permission to land if they took off.

A French judicial official said the name of a Tunisian national with a pilot's licence had appeared on the American list of suspicious people who might attempt to board a flight. But French intelligence officials determined that the man was in Tunisia and had no plans to leave the country.

The official added that the Tunisian had no criminal record and did not belong to any Islamic radical groups.

The cancellations, on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, stranded hundreds of passengers on both sides of the Atlantic.

US sources hit back at French scepticism, saying American intelligence agencies had intercepted e-mails from the al-Qa'eda terrorist group suggesting another September 11-style attack was being plotted for the Christmas holiday.

The al-Qa'eda messages referred specifically to Air France and even gave a flight number, officials said. Other warnings have been issued about flights by the Mexican carrier, Aeromexico, it was reported.

US officials said they fear Air France has been infiltrated by Islamic extremists and have criticised French co-operation in providing details of passengers on US-bound flights.

On Monday, the US homeland security secretary, Tom Ridge, raised the nation's terrorist-attack warning level to it's second-highest stage, orange - "high" alert.

Mr Ridge said terrorist "chatter" indicated that "extremists abroad" are anticipating "near-term attacks" that they believe will "rival or exceed" those experienced in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001.

Following the cancellations, Los Angeles airport, the nation's second busiest, was put under an extraorinary security clampdown.

Private cars were banned from dropping off passengers or picking them up at terminals and vehicles entering the complex were searched by armed police who used mirrors to inspect the undersides of cars.

The airport was the target of a millennium bomb plot almost four years ago, which was thwarted when one of the bombers was arrested after crossing into the United States from Canada with explosives in his car.

Mobile anti-aircraft missile systems have been deployed around Washington DC, and US and Canadian fighter pilots remain on high alert.

In London, police boosted security around the US embassy. Vehicles more than 7ft wide were restricted from entering surrounding streets late on Christmas Eve.

The precaution was introduced as lorries have been used in suicide attacks around the world, and against British targets in the bombings in Istanbul last month.

A Scotland Yard statement said: "This measure is being carried out in the light of worldwide events, particular current concerns about US interests and the fact that security in London remains at a high level. We would stress that this restriction is being put in place on a precautionary basis.

"We would reiterate our earlier appeals for the public to remain vigilant and aware and report anything suspicious to police."

The so-called "ring of steel" surrounding key sites in the City of London was extended earlier this month.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; france; orangealert4; threat; watchlist
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To: dyed_in_the_wool

81 posted on 12/26/2003 6:17:43 AM PST by kanawa (48*26'06.6" 83*30'00.2")
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To: recalcitrant
The French have Nuclear weapons as well as submarine based ones...they could do damage to us them-selves!
82 posted on 12/26/2003 6:44:02 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: Cicero; Mark Felton
France is not neutral; France is now our enemy.


83 posted on 12/26/2003 6:50:10 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: mdmathis6
True, the French are a significant nuclear power. When we discuss things like missle defense, I find it interesting that people only want to talk about the current threat (e.g., North Korea) and ignore the fact that in less than a generation, enemies can become friends and friends can become enemies. In the Middle East, these changes in alliances can take place in months.

It makes sense to have the ability to protect yourself from anyone, not just your current adversaries. I don't want to be in a position to have to trust the French, the Germans, the Canadians, even the Brits. If we are strong, we can choose to trust them as it suits us.
84 posted on 12/26/2003 7:25:24 AM PST by TN4Liberty (Tag----------------- <==line)
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To: Mark Felton
Great French logic - no connection - all names on a watch list, one a pilot, on a single French flight. No connection???!!! DUH, DUH!

"French authorities released seven men - one French, one American and several Algerians - whose names were found to be on US watch-lists. The seven men were all due to board a flight on Wednesday and had been briefly questioned. French authorities "

85 posted on 12/26/2003 7:25:29 AM PST by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: Mark Felton
The seven men were all due to board a flight on Wednesday and had been briefly questioned. French authorities found nothing to suggest the men had terrorist links.

They all surrendered peacefully and after being questioned by the French it was found they had so much in common, being terrorist sympathizers and surrenderers, that the French released them.

86 posted on 12/26/2003 8:28:05 AM PST by tutstar (Jesus is the reason for the season! <((--><)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Wow! Who is the sign holder?

What, there's a sign? Oh wait, you're right, I must have missed it. :=)

87 posted on 12/26/2003 8:37:27 AM PST by Bob
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To: mdmathis6
I'm not too sure their subs are any better then their one carrier...which has a tremendous carrier in port broken down.

When we started moving towards Iraq the French deployed it and it was thought perhaps the French would position it to try and hamper our operations. It was underway two days before it had to return to port for major problems.

88 posted on 12/26/2003 8:40:16 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Mark Felton
ping
89 posted on 12/26/2003 8:50:00 AM PST by sully777 ("Not a thought lifted itself from Chance's brain. Peace filled his chest." -- Being There)
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To: recalcitrant

MUCH HAS BEEN WRITTEN about Osama bin Laden's Islamic fundamentalism; less about the contribution of European Marxist postmodernism to bin Laden's thinking. In fact, the ideology by which al Qaeda justifies its acts of terror owes as much to baleful trends in Western thought as it does to a perversion of Muslim beliefs. Osama's doctrine of terror is partly a Western export.

To see this, it is necessary to revisit the intellectual brew that produced the ideology of Third World socialism in the 1960s. A key figure here is the German philosopher Martin Heidegger (1889-1976), who not only helped shape several generations of European leftists and founded postmodernism,, but also was a leading supporter of the Nazis. Heidegger argued for the primacy of "peoples" in contrast with the alienating individualism of "modernity." In order to escape the yoke of Western capitalism and the "idle chatter" of constitutional democracy, the "people" would have to return to its primordial destiny through an act of violent revolutionary "resolve."

This vision of the postmodernist revolution went straight from Heidegger into the French postwar Left, especially the works of Jean-Paul Sartre, eager apologist for Stalinism and the Cultural Revolution in China. Sartre's prot g , the Algerian writer Frantz Fanon, crystallized the Third World variant of postmodernist revolution in "The Wretched of the Earth" (1961).

From there, it entered the world of Middle Eastern radicals. Many of the leaders of the Shiite revolution in Iran that deposed the modernizing shah and brought the Ayatollah Khomeini to power in 1979 had studied Fanon's brand of Marxism. Ali Shari'at, the Sorbonne-educated Iranian sociologist of religion considered by many the intellectual father of the Shiite revolution, translated "The Wretched of the Earth" and Sartre's "Being and Nothingness into Persian." The Iranian revolution was a synthesis of Islamic fundamentalism and European Third World socialism.

In the postmodernist leftism of these revolutionaries, the "people" supplanted Marx's proletariat as the agent of revolution. Following Heidegger and Fanon, leaders like Lin Piao, ideologist of the Red Guards in China, and Pol Pot, student of leftist philosophy in France before becoming a founder of the Khmer Rouge, justified revolution as a therapeutic act by which non-Western peoples would regain the dignity they had lost to colonial oppressors and to American-style materialism, selfishness, and immorality. A purifying violence would purge the people of egoism and hedonism and draw them back into a primitive collective of self-sacrifice.

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90 posted on 12/26/2003 9:22:50 AM PST by Helms (Liberalism is a faux compassion that condescends at best and subjugates at worse)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
In my opinion, should the US investigate the inviduals tipped off by French "Intelligence" and find that they are, in fact, terrorists; or if, god forbid, an attack occurs and it's found that any of the individuals tipped off by French "Intelligence" were involved, France should be treated as the US treats any other country supporting and aiding terrorism. Hell, maybe they should be treated as such anyway.
91 posted on 12/26/2003 9:37:51 AM PST by Teri0811
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To: CWOJackson
"If France doesn't want to screen their flights then we should escort every arriving French flight with an armed F-16 then present them with the bill."

And we'll see payment for that bill on THE day pigs fly, the cow jumps over the moon, the dish runs away with the spoon and hell freezes over.
92 posted on 12/26/2003 9:52:09 AM PST by Teri0811
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To: Teri0811
Simple, collect before they're given permission to take off again. I have no objection to collecting a bunch of Airbuses over here.
93 posted on 12/26/2003 9:53:24 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Thane_Banquo
The French will likely try to remain neutral until the millions of Muslims currently residing in France rise up and try to establish an Islamic government in that country.

Then they'll look to the U.S. and Great Britain to bail them out...again.
94 posted on 12/26/2003 9:53:27 AM PST by kdmhcdcfld (Any rebroadcast of this tagline without the express written consent of FreeRepublic is prohibited.)
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To: Mark Felton
Another thing, why didn't we have CIA over there to make sure the interrogation was handled properly? We were foolish to trust the French to take care of it!
95 posted on 12/26/2003 9:58:04 AM PST by tutstar (Jesus is the reason for the season! <((--><)
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To: San Jacinto
"I wouldn't be surprised if there was a plot to fly these planes from L.A. to Las Vegas..."

Fox News is reporting that Las Vegas was the only major city that the plane would've passed over en route to L.A.

96 posted on 12/26/2003 9:59:06 AM PST by Teri0811
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To: Mark Felton
This could be handled very simpily.

Just ban any flight from Paris to the USA until all of the suspects are rounded up and handed over to us.
97 posted on 12/26/2003 10:34:08 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Kaddaffi, "I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq. ")
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To: Helms
Very interesting commentary. Thanks. The fellowship between the European and American Left and Islamists has been quite obvious since 9-11.
98 posted on 12/26/2003 11:32:16 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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To: Cicero
If a French plan is the source of an attack on American soil, then it is unlikely that they will EVER be considered an ally of ours. all of the old crap will be laid upon the attack as proof of their perfidy.
99 posted on 12/26/2003 1:17:26 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
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100 posted on 12/26/2003 2:41:06 PM PST by Helms
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