Matricula consular ID cards make sense

The Morning Call ^ | December 15, 2003

[yonif]

The Bush administration nearly reached agreement with the Vicente Fox government to give legal status to millions of Mexicans illegally in America, but Sept. 11 brought it to a halt. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said Tuesday it's time for a legal status short of citizenship for 8 to 12 million illegal immigrants from various countries.

The government would legalize the status of those already in the country on a one-time basis, he said. ''Then, as a country, you make a decision that from this day forward, this is the process of entry, and if you violate that process of entry, we have resources to cope with it.'' The U.S. government would have a way to better identify those who might be a threat to this country while providing the vast majority of those who entered illegally with help getting jobs, opening bank accounts and interacting with many government agencies.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Here comes the amnistía del serape.

[HiJinx]

Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli spoke out Wednesday, asking officials within his jurisdiction to not accept the ID cards because a carrier could be ''an illegal alien, criminal or potential terrorist.'' He also cited FBI warnings of ID forgeries. But about 2 million cards have been issued in the past two years and there isn't an ID on the planet that someone hasn't tried to forge. Mr. Morganelli is out of step with the current thinking of Homeland Security, the officials entrusted to protect us on American soil. Rather than push Mexicans and others who aren't citizens further underground, the United States should instead work to identify them.

BS, BS, BS! This is an editorial from Allentown, PA regarding last week's trial balloon. Too little, too late. President Bush today said that his administration is totally against a blanket amnesty.

An elected official (Morganelli, County DA) says something that makes sense, and the liberal press goes after him with guns blazing. They say he's out of step. Well, maybe out of step with them. He's right in line with what most of us think!!

[SAMWolf]

The government would legalize the status of those already in the country on a one-time basis

That's what they told us last time, I didn't believe it then, I sure as hell don't believe it now.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

It's not a blanket amnesty, it's an amnistía del serape.

[DLfromthedesert]

First of all, we've heard that song before about going forward with a more restrictive policy. Rememember the amnesty of 1986?

Secondly, I'm sure members of terrorist cells in our country will voluntarily step forward to be identified. Our leaders are selling us out!!

[Map Kernow]

Si, senor, matricula consular cards make magnifico sense, para Mejico.

For the US, they don't make a bit of sense.

Yes, GW said this morning that he opposes a "blanket amnesty," but I'm going to watch what he does, not what he says on this issue.

He also said he wanted to match "willing employers with willing employees." He should have said he wanted to match "willing employers with lawful employees." Immigration law and policy means bupkes if employers get to hire anyone who's "willing," regardless of immigration status.

GW and his Svengali Rove must think that the best way to take the illegal immigration issue out of next year's election is to make all the people here illegally legal. It's not going to work this time. Too many of us remember the 1986 amnesty. And too many more of us remember 9/11/01.

[wjcsux]

The government would legalize the status of those already in the country on a one-time basis That's what they told us last time, I didn't believe it then, I sure as hell don't believe it now.
Yup. The Government conducted the first "one time only amnesty program" in 1986. Sure fixed things, huh?

[Dr. Marten]

" Sure fixed things, huh?"

Yep! Paved teh way for the next one..

[Map Kernow]

Check out the New York Times editorial page today---you'll find an editorial calling Tom Ridge's remarks last week about legalizing illegals "encouraging."

Here's a rule of thumb for Bush and the Republicans: when what you're doing pleases the NY Times editorial staff, you must be doing something wrong.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Item 1: If the racial tattooing of ethnic classification on ID cards and other documents persists, we’ll know the countdown clock is ticking. Every time you see a blank for your ethnic group on a form, think Civil War II.

Item 2: If Illegal aliens are allowed to vote, even in local elections, it will be another unmistakable signal that American citizenship, and therefore America itself, is finished. If the millions of illegal aliens in America are granted amnesty and get the vote, it will mean open immigration and a giant step toward Civil War II.

Item 8: Resegregation: Watch for minorities demanding, and often getting, separate facilities for themselves, another clear sign that they’re continuing to reject co-option

Item 9: Watch for further replacement of individual rights for group rights, group rights based on ethnic group. Empires employ this method to enlist certain favored groups in suppressing the others, and racist affirmative action is a classic example of this replacement of our rights as individuals by a race based system of penalties and special privileges. Then the powers that be have only to pay off the leaders of these favored groups, a relatively easy task. Every time you hear the racist euphemism affirmative action, think Civil War II.

Item 13: Watch for minorities and radical whites to continue to seize control of American institutions. Our courts, schools, universities, the media, many churches, and many unions have been completely or partially taken over, and politically incorrect dissidents expelled or intimidated into silence.

Item 14: Watch for secessionist movements and other movements seeking autonomy on American soil.

Item 24: Watch for more restrictions of freedom of speech by the government and the establishment media.

[Dr. Marten]

Interesting response.
Unfortunately you could not be any more correct.

[FITZ]

Yup. The Government conducted the first "one time only amnesty program" in 1986. Sure fixed things, huh?

The Government also promised it would be an amnesty for about 3 hundred thousand people who had been living and working in the USA for at least 5 years and instead it gave that amnesty to over 3 million --- most of whom just arrived to get in on it.

[FITZ]

It makes no sense to allow a government as corrupt as Mexico's to determine our immigration policies ---- those cards are already easily available on the black market.

[Beck_isright]

"Matricula consular ID cards make sense"

Makes about as much sense to me as giving two free bricks of C-4 to every Arab that visits the U.S.

[Map Kernow]

It makes no sense to allow a government as corrupt as Mexico's to determine our immigration policies ---- those cards are already easily available on the black market.

Within the last month or so, a black (and non-Hispanic) political commentator---I forgot his name, although I don't think he's conservative---went out on the streets of a Southern California city and bought an authentic looking "matricula consular" card with his African-American visage on it! What does THAT tell you about the "sense" these cards make for our security policy, especially post-9/11?

People here threw all sorts of conniption fits over Clintigula selling out our nuclear security to Red Chinese terrorists (and rightly so). We even used the dreaded "T"-word to describe his actions.

Well, what the hell are we supposed to call someone who allows a foreign government the right to export its people to our territory in defiance of our laws and issue its own ID cards to its nationals illegally here in defiance of our laws? Is that not treason? If not, WHAT THE HELL IS IT???????

[AFreeBird]

If any damn form wants my ethnic group, I'll enter "American" And heaven help the bureau-weenie who dares tell me it's wrong or not allowed.

eth·nic    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (thnk)
adj.

1. 1. Of or relating to a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.
   2. Being a member of a particular ethnic group, especially belonging to a national group by heritage or culture but residing outside its national boundaries: ethnic Hungarians living in northern Serbia.
   3. Of, relating to, or distinctive of members of such a group: ethnic restaurants; ethnic art.
2. Relating to a people not Christian or Jewish; heathen.

n.

A member of a particular ethnic group, especially one who maintains the language or customs of the group.

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[Middle English, heathen, from Late Latin ethnicus, from Greek ethnikos, from ethnos, people, nation. See s(w)e- in Indo-European Roots.]

Word History: When it is said in a Middle English text written before 1400 that a part of a temple fell down and “mad a gret distruccione of ethnykis,” one wonders why ethnics were singled out for death. The word ethnic in this context, however, means “gentile,” coming as it does from the Greek adjective ethnikos, meaning “national, foreign, gentile.” The adjective is derived from the noun ethnos, “people, nation, foreign people,” that in the plural phrase ta ethn meant “foreign nations.” In translating the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek, this phrase was used for Hebrew gym, “gentiles” hence the sense of the noun in the Middle English quotation. The noun ethnic in this sense or the related sense “heathen” is not recorded after 1728, although the related adjective sense is still used. But probably under the influence of other words going back to Greek ethnos, such as ethnography and ethnology, the adjective ethnic broadened in meaning in the 19th century. After this broadening the noun sense “a member of a particular ethnic group,” first recorded in 1945, came into existence.

[FITZ]

The only way they make sense is if we all go out and buy ourselves a few ---- it could come in handy having several illegal identities ---- especially if down the road they start handing them Social Security checks. Retire in style with separate monthly checks for each identity ---- just like they will do.

They caught one of the formerly amnestied here shoplifting ---- she had 4 US drivers licenses and sets of identifications she managed to obtain --- they investigated to find out which one she really was ---- she was all 4 and receiving welfare and food stamps with each one of them. I guess there was no limit to how many times you could get amnesty.

[JustPiper]

Security Secretary Tom Ridge said Tuesday it's time for a legal status short of citizenship for 8 to 12 million illegal immigrants from various countries.

Why? Why?! and WHY?!