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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I believe that in order to have POW status, you need to be captured in uniform to be considered an enemy combatant. If you are wearing civilian clothes, you are NOT a POW.
10 posted on 12/15/2003 7:10:30 AM PST by anoldafvet (Democrats: Making the world safe for terrorists one lie at a time.)
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To: anoldafvet
"I believe that in order to have POW status, you need to be captured in uniform to be considered an enemy combatant."

So does taht mean all of the Taliban we captured in Afghanistan are NOT really POW's? They were not wearing uniforms.
20 posted on 12/15/2003 7:22:11 AM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: anoldafvet
If your country no longer has a military, how could you be in uniform?
36 posted on 12/15/2003 7:57:34 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: anoldafvet
Anybody who can be proved to be working with the enemy can be a POW. There's an assassination rule that works the other way around though: anybody in uniform during a war is a valid target and immune to our rule against assassination. There's some theories that having that rule explained to him is why Saddam switched from uniforms to suits just prior to Gulf War 1.
40 posted on 12/15/2003 8:05:12 AM PST by discostu (that's a waste of a perfectly good white boy)
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To: anoldafvet
I believe that in order to have POW status, you need to be captured in uniform to be considered an enemy combatant. If you are wearing civilian clothes, you are NOT a POW.

The Rules of War do not require you to wear a uniform 24 hours a day, seven days a week if you are not, at the time, actually engaged in combat. If so, any U.S. off-duty soldier captured while on liberty or in a rear recreation area in civilian clothes or buck naked in a shower could be denied POW status with a legal excuse to back it up.

That's not a good precedent to establish.

The Hague Convention codified the qualifications for belligerent rights as follows:

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REGULATIONS RESPECTING THE LAWS AND CUSTOMS OF WAR ON LAND
SECTION I
ON BELLIGERENTS
CHAPTER I
The Qualifications of Belligerents

Article 1.
The laws, rights, and duties of war apply not only to armies, but also to militia and volunteer corps fulfilling the following conditions:

To be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

To have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance;

To carry arms openly; and

To conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

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In the first point, Saddam is in the clear. He is the leader.

However, if Saddam is connected to any car bombing where the driver posed as a civilian or in any bombing that attacked civilian targets, such as the Red Cross compound, then Saddam would have violated some or all of the last three conditions for qualification as a legal combatant with POW rights.

51 posted on 12/15/2003 8:15:49 AM PST by Polybius
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To: anoldafvet
If you're wearing civilian clothes that makes you a spy.
63 posted on 12/15/2003 8:32:23 AM PST by Terry Mross
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To: anoldafvet
If you are wearing civilian clothes, you are NOT a POW.

There must be special rules for a captured Head of State and Supreme General.

106 posted on 12/15/2003 5:45:36 PM PST by RightWhale (Close your tag lines)
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To: anoldafvet
Not quite. PW status is afforded by -

Wearing a uniform.
-or- Bearing arms openly in any engagement, even without a uniform (specifically includes guerillas)

In addition, wearing civilian clothes and *not* being armed, grants civilian non-combatant status instead, *if* one has refrained from overt, hostile acts, and obeys any laws promulgated by an occupier.

You lose PW or non-combatant status (one or the other) only if you combine -

1. not being in uniform with either
2. carrying concealed arms or
3. committing overt, hostile acts without being armed

The last would include, for example, conveying military information to belligerents after scouting, unarmed, in civilian clothes.

From what we are told, Saddam was armed and made no attempt to conceal the fact when he gave himself up, and voluntarily surrendered his weapon. That would normally be enough to make him a PW. Obviously, he is wanted for crimes against humanity, which PW status does not protect one against. But he has to be tried for those.

119 posted on 12/16/2003 1:35:11 AM PST by JasonC
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To: anoldafvet
No, your are a spy if you are in civilan clothes and should be shot at dawn!
121 posted on 12/16/2003 1:40:03 AM PST by Cannon6
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To: anoldafvet
You're right. He's not a POW. Some will think he is because Rumsfeld said we are, for the moment, according him the same treatment that a POW would receive under Geneva Conventions -- even though he is not a POW.
124 posted on 12/16/2003 3:41:48 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: anoldafvet
Can you cite the law that states that?
134 posted on 12/19/2003 8:02:26 AM PST by GigaDittos (Bumper sticker: "Vote Democrat, it's easier than getting a job.")
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