Cops accidentally kill 300 citizens annually

Columbia Chronicle ^ | 12.8.2003 | unknown

[CHICAGOFARMER]

What's the number, something like 50+ children a year drown in buckets?

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Close 40 drown in buckets and 80 drown in tubs.

[Cultural Jihad]

Ending the Drug War would disemploy tens of thousands of armed LEOs instantly, and free up the resources to reform the rest.

Of course there'd be a hiring boom in revenuers, which the anarcho-libertarian-socialists would welcome!

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Couldn't agree more, 1/2 of all police do not belong. They are uneducated mop-heads with too much power/ego. The other half are well educated only trying to do a good job.... The problem is this, the dumb asses are encouraged to be cops while the educated are not...

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Agree.

We need to rein in these power/ego govt employees by changing the policy procedures.

[Diddle E. Squat]

What is the defination of a "innocent LEO's"

Basically all but the very, very tiny few who are corrupt or incompetent(but who the cophaters always seem to present as the norm.)

Thanks for the figure, that gives me a better perspective. But I do question how many of those 300 'innocent' citizens are really truly innocent, or closer to the 350-lb guy in Cincinnati.

[aimhigh]

Your example of one doesn't justify the totals given in the article. Sorry, but I've seen too many criminals resist arrest, only to claim they are the victim.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Thanks for the figure, that gives me a better perspective. But I do question how many of those 300 'innocent' citizens are really truly innocent, or closer to the 350-lb guy in Cincinnati.


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This guy in cincinnati in my opinion was not an innocent victim. This guy resisted arrest. He died of an enlarged heart.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Your example of one doesn't justify the totals given in the article. Sorry, but I've seen too many criminals resist arrest, only to claim they are the victim.


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OK, think about this if you are ever pulled over because the police are doing a felony stop based on incorrect information.

The guns will be pointed at you. The bullets are in the chamber, the fingers are on the trigger. They have been trained that if they fire they are trained to shoot to kill. If the police officer partner accidently trips and fires his weapon into the ground what is the other partner going to do? wait to pull his trigger, don't bet your life on it.

[ambrose]

So you think it is an "accident" when Officer Friendly pumps 40 pieces of lead into a suspect?

[dasboot]

A minor point: a traffic stop is not a felony stop. A felony stop is a procedure used when there is probable cause to believe the occupant(s) are armed AND dangerous.

One more thing. There is a lot of chatter about ego and poor judgememt among cops lately. This is, I think, based upon fact. The old way of having new guys "broken-in" by the vets on the department are generally gone. The new paradigm has it that this was destructive to the training of the newbies, and a preventative for the assumption of 'generational' bad habits. The actual reason, I think, is that the old guys remember about things like probable cause....a concept largely abandoned by the automatonic yoots on the force today. Don't want to confuse the new guys, do we?

[narses]

1 - I doubt the numbers. I'd like to see the source.
2 - I doubt that all of the dead are "innocent" or "unarmed"
3 - Disarming the cops is as stupid as disarming the honest people.

[henderson field]

The police state is right around the corner and coming fast.

[Trickyguy]

I am convinced that all police applicants have to take an IQ test, and if it is too high, they're not hired.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

So you think it is an "accident" when Officer Friendly pumps 40 pieces of lead into a suspect?

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So this is police policy to pump 40 rounds. This guy evidently was an innocent victim. I recall this shooting having occured about 4 years ago in NYC. The four cops were fired, or the victim family received a larged cash award.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

I am convinced that all police applicants have to take an IQ test, and if it is too high, they're not hired.


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Cute.

I once wanted to be a cop, then I decided I should graduate from high school first.

[conservativecorner]

With a national population of about 3 hundred million I would say law enforcement does a remarkable job of protecting the public from those who would do them harm. Many of the Cincinnati cases had the deceased using weapons against the police, yet the main stream news media keep reporting and insisting that the deceased were unarmed. Unbelievable!

[ChefKeith]

Hydrant Mark

[CHICAGOFARMER]

1 - I doubt the numbers. I'd like to see the source.
2 - I doubt that all of the dead are "innocent" or "unarmed"
3 - Disarming the cops is as stupid as disarming the honest people.


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1. I will look up a three year old source to support this source if I can find and post it.

2. Absolutes are always wrong. There could be a couple of punks in this group that squeezed thru. You know how newspaper writers are sometimes their views and sources need checking.

3. Don't want to disarm, only change the policy to empty pipe and change the shoot to kill policy. It is stupid to disarm the police, like it is stupid to disarm citizens.

[Cultural Jihad]

Well said. The greatest guarantor of Constitutional rights is the very government which the anarcho-ideologues like to bleat about.

[eno_]

Couldn't agree more, 1/2 of all police do not belong. They are uneducated mop-heads with too much power/ego. The other half are well educated only trying to do a good job.... The problem is this, the dumb asses are encouraged to be cops while the educated are not...

Sad but true. Police hiring should be a lot more selective, and place a far larger emphasis on psychological profiling to elimiate the enthusiastic uniform fetishists.

[zeugma]

Bull, most people at the FR agree the cops have too much power and need their wings clipped.

Perhaps you're right, but I've seen far too many of the opposite kind that would dedefend a bunch of ninja-clad cos mercilessly gunning down an 80 year old lady for having the unmitigated gall not to get from her couch to the door in less than the (now) supremecourt minimum of 20 seconds when on yet another drug bust gone wrong because the cops couldn't be bothered to check a housse number. it happens here all the time. The citizens of this country are just lowly 'civilians' to them who'd better jump when they say 'frenchman'.