WE have five political parties, not two

self | Sat. Dec. 6, 2003 | Capt. Tom

[Diva Betsy Ross]

May I ask why you call yourself a right winged democrat? Why do you keep the Democrat , esp. considering what the party has become. Is it just ideological?

[Tribune7]

No prob. I wish my Ron Paul was my congressman rather than the RINO I'm stuck with.

[StriperSniper]

I wish my Ron Paul was my congressman rather than the RINO I'm stuck with.

I don't think I can ever hope to even have a RINO unless I move. I have thought about Texas as a future destination, and now that I look, it just so happens that Dr. Paul's 14th District would have the coastline I would be looking for....Hmmmmm.....

[Tribune7]

Yeah, as bad as Pa. is, Jersey is worse. OTOH, your gas is cheaper & they pump it for you. :-)

[rustbucket]

I've decided to revive the Constitutional Union Party.

My slogan will be "If it was good enough for Lincoln, it's good enough for me".

The Constitutional Union Party ran John Bell of Tennessee for president in 1860 against Lincoln. I think you mean the National Union Party, on whose ticket Lincoln won the presidency in 1864. (National Union Party)

[reg45]

He(Perot) got 19% of the popular vote and there is no question in my mind that he sent Clinton to the White House and votes for Ralph Nader cost Al Gore the election in 2000.

[reg45]

Well, Hussein may have a consituency if he ran as a Democrat, but he has to overxome a big lead by Dean.

He could be Dean's running mate - after all Baathists are Socialists too!

[Capt. Tom]

May I ask why you call yourself a right winged democrat? Why do you keep the Democrat , esp. considering what the party has become. Is it just ideological

It probably is idealogical. I dislike the socialists who hi-jacked the democrat party because they are more interested in furthering an anti- American idealogical agenda than in protecting this country, following our Constitution and trying to make Americans the best educated and armed people on the planet.

To me, the party closest to those sentiments are the gutless inept republicans who I have voted, for over 20 years.

A right wing democrat named Ronald Reagan figured that out too and took the republican ladder to the top. And I think we benefited from his Presidency. -Tom .

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Interesting. I agree with most of what you said about the socialists, as an ex- dem. Help me here. How was Ronald Reagan any kind of Democrat though?

[Capt. Tom]

Interesting. I agree with most of what you said about the socialists, as an ex- dem. Help me here. How was Ronald Reagan any kind of Democrat though?

1950 - Reagan campaigns in support of California Democrat Helen Gahagan Douglas in her race against Richard Nixon for U.S. Senate.

1952 - Reagan leads a movement of Democrats for Eisenhower during both of Eisenhower's presidential campaigns, in 1952 and 1956.

Some freepers would say but Douglas was a lefty. However we saw how Reagen operated as President and I wouldn't consider that leftist.

As an aside; Reagan made a little noticed statement that resonated with me when he said. "We have to stop thinking about these Russians as though they were 10 feet tall." I loved his international politics as I do Bush's. Domestically I have problems with both. But they both got my vote. -Tom

[Capt. Tom]

You lose me when you talk about Perot's mistake. Perot was paid off by the Clintons to split the Bush vote. If you'll go back and look, Perot dropped out of the race the week of the rat convention, and got back in when Clinton started dropping in the polls. Perot never wanted to be President.

I was using Perot as an example of trying to get to the Presidency on your own without using the democrat or republican apparatus.

What his motivations were to run for president is another matter.

[Capt. Tom]

You lose me when you talk about Perot's mistake. Perot was paid off by the Clintons to split the Bush vote. If you'll go back and look, Perot dropped out of the race the week of the rat convention, and got back in when Clinton started dropping in the polls. Perot never wanted to be President.

I was using Perot as an example of trying to get to the Presidency on your own without using the democrat or republican apparatus.

What his motivations were to run for president is another matter.

[Cultural Jihad]

I am sorry to hear you wasted so much time writing this drivel.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Oh, I see waht you mean now.Interesting. Thanks.

[Cultural Jihad]

Actually, in reality, there are only the two. And the differences between the two are for the most part, inconsequential. One day, when enough people get fed up, there will be another.

So say the Greens, the Libertarians, the Socialists, and apparently now the Know-Nothings.

[Cultural Jihad]

"Actually, in reality, there are only the two. And the differences between the two are for the most part, inconsequential. Both Parties will not outlaw internal combustion engines. One day, when enough people get fed up, there will be another." -- Greens Party

"Actually, in reality, there are only the two. And the differences between the two are for the most part, inconsequential. Both Parties will not mandate the toleration of evil. One day, when enough people get fed up, there will be another." -- Libertarian Party

"Actually, in reality, there are only the two. And the differences between the two are for the most part, inconsequential. Both Parties will not overthrow wage-slavery. One day, when enough people get fed up, there will be another." -- Socialist Party

"Actually, in reality, there are only the two. And the differences between the two are for the most part, inconsequential. Both Parties will not call for the machinegunning of women and children at the (Southern) border. One day, when enough people get fed up, there will be another." -- Know-Nothing Party

[jmc813]

I'm sure there must be some less extreme libertarians somewhere that I've badly impuned and I apologize to both of them.

Have you ever looked into the Republican Liberty Caucus?

[Jarhead_22]

Is it easy, no, but it is a lot better, IMO, trying to mend differences than build walls. Hey remember that is what the Soviets did. I guess you admire Stalin/Khruschev(Berlin Wall).

FYI, in case you've forgotten: The Berlin Wall/Iron Curtain were to keep people IN, not out.

[Dane]

FYI, in case you've forgotten: The Berlin Wall/Iron Curtain were to keep people IN, not out

And also to keep the concept of freedom from creeping "IN"to the Soviet fiefdoms.

[Michael.SF.]

Socialists have been around as long as republicans and democrats. What I meant was the socialists really started in earnest to zero in, and subvert the democrat party in the mid 60s. No doubt the socialists were around long before.

Henry Wallace was VP under FDR. He was a Socialist. He later ran for President as a "Progressive." Then later renounced his previous pro communist positions.

Although your statements are very true, that in the 60's the tactics used by them changed. Your time frame is off.

The planned undermining of the USA, by legal and illegal means goes back much further then the 60's.

I do not mean to be argumentative, or repitive, but, read Ann Coulter's book and take a look, especially at her resources for backing up her statements.

I think you will be surprised. If you do not have a copy I will loan you mine. Take care Michael