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Don't 'defend' my marriage
Denver Post ^ | 11/30/03 | Carleen Brice

Posted on 12/04/2003 11:37:40 AM PST by Holly_P

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To: Holly_P
So I get suspicious when people start talking about "protecting" marriage by banning people of the same sex from marrying.

Big difference. The threat to those of racist mindset wasn't that inter-racial marriage changed the definition of what a marriage was. They were afraid precisely because it was a real marriage, with the "frightening" (in their opinion) prospect of "mixed-race" offspring.

That's not at all the issue with "gay marriage."

21 posted on 12/04/2003 1:22:45 PM PST by Snuffington
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To: Snuffington
Maybe you clicked on the wrong name because you weren't quoting me.
22 posted on 12/04/2003 1:27:26 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: Snuffington
Never mind. My mistake, you were quoting the article.
23 posted on 12/04/2003 1:28:18 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: Emmylou
If you were a black person who wanted to marry a white person in 1965, you'd be in exactly the same position that two gay people are in today.

With the tiny, miniscule exception that one is right & the other is wrong.

24 posted on 12/04/2003 1:35:40 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Emmylou
Trust me, if you asked the average American in 1960 if interracial marriage was immoral, they would have said it was. It would be interesting to see if conservatives 40 or 50 years from now will argue that 'there's nothing immoral about gay marriage' the way conservatives today defend the interracial marriage laws the conservatives of yesterday passed and enforced.

I just talked to my grand father who was around in 1960 and before. He told me that he didn't know anyone who argued that inter racial marriage was immoral. He knew plenty of people who were against it because they were just plain bigots.

Of course that doesn't prove anything any more than your assertations of "trust me" does.

27 posted on 12/04/2003 1:55:37 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: Emmylou
The author's point is, I think, that we accept interracial marriage today; it's no big deal. The same will be said about gay marriage too, eventually (though I'm more of a civil union-type as opposed to gay marriage-type).

No doubt it will. And a generation after that, videos of little kids having sex with animals will be shown during ABC's family hour, and nobody will think anything of it. None of the inconstancy of man-made morality has anything to do with objective right and wrong. You are talking about how popular perceptions & sensibilities change over time -- I don't dispute that, I just maintain that it is irrelevant. Morality is not determined democratically.

30 posted on 12/04/2003 2:14:42 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: babyface00
The black community has bought into the lie. One can say: homosexuality is based on behavior but they think that the behavior is inborn.
31 posted on 12/04/2003 2:15:45 PM PST by RobbyS (XP)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
She's sick. Equating a sex act with ethnicity.

Homosexuality is an identity, just like heterosexuality or skin color. It is not an act.

32 posted on 12/04/2003 2:23:06 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Emmylou
Yours was a very well-thought out and reasoned response and you are not alone in your thoughts. I agree with you.
34 posted on 12/04/2003 2:31:26 PM PST by ShadowDancer
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To: All
See thread: NR Editors on Gay Marriage

36 posted on 12/04/2003 2:41:59 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Emmylou
Neither children nor animals can enter into legally-binding contracts and I simply can't equate two consenting adults who wish to enter into a contract with sex with children or animals. I can't see any society -- especially ours -- ever sanctioning treating children as adults.

Right NOW, you can't see that. I suspect many people in 1958 would similarly have been unable to conceive of someone seriously equating race relations with homosexual marriage, yet here we are. Since you obviously aware of the changing (liberalizing) trend in culture, what makes you think it's going to suddenly stop at some point? It's an arbitrary standard to claim that a person who is 17 years and 364 days old should be a non-sexual being and lacks a right to form binding agreement, but that the next day they are suddenly ready to do whatever they want. There's no reason why future cultural "progress" can't define that age of consent down to at least the age where a child can speak. Just because it's unimaginable to YOU doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

In the end, I don't see allowing two gay people to marry as a slide toward rampant immorality. I think divorce is probably worse for nation's character. Cheers.

I happen to agree on both counts. I don't particularly care what sort of contracts homosexuals wish to form in order to codify their defilement of each other -- I do oppose calling it marriage, because the government can no more legitimately declare two men "married" than it can declare a dead man "alive". I don't think health insurers, adoption agencies, etc., ought to be required to treat someone as a spouse who really isn't. But we're all pretty much screwed already anyhow, so I won't care that much if "gay marriage" becomes commonplace. But for this author to compare race to homosexuality is thoroughly insulting.

37 posted on 12/04/2003 2:42:31 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Holly_P
girl/elephant

Well, good for Rosie O'Donnell! :-)

39 posted on 12/04/2003 2:49:38 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: All
I posted the following on thread: Help! (Teen losing debates on gay marriage)

Bill and Mary are entitled to opt in to a legal and cultural arrangement with a rich tradition and array of formal trappings, but George and Poindexter are not. There is no regulated system for them to simply "opt in" to. They have to go step by step and set up all the legal arrangements themselves.

That's inconvenient, but what is sad for George and Poindexter is that people in their lives don't accord their relationship the same respect as they do Bill and Mary's.

I feel for them, I do, they were born (or they became, whatever) different from heterosexuals, and, well, life is going to be different for them.

Perhaps, though, we need to use the head more than the heart, and think long and hard before committing the awesome power of government to the quixotic task of leveling that particular playing field.

40 posted on 12/04/2003 2:51:53 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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