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Medicare bill has new tax-free accounts
AP | 11/23/03 | MARY DALRYMPLE

Posted on 11/23/2003 1:04:23 PM PST by kattracks

WASHINGTON (AP) — New health savings accounts included in the Medicare legislation would let individuals save, invest and then spend money tax-free.

To avoid all taxes, the dollars must pay for medical expenses. The lure of "tax-free asset accumulation," as advertised by the House Ways and Means Committee, coaxed some conservative Republicans into supporting a vast new Medicare drug benefit.

"I'm just thrilled by it," said Rep. John Kline, R-Minn. "It's fair to say the health savings accounts are what has me most excited about this bill."

Critics contend the accounts establish a tax shelter for the wealthy and set a precedent for future accounts to let affluent families evade taxes.

Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana, one of only two Democrats involved in Medicare negotiations, said the accounts do little to help the retirees that the new drug coverage aims to benefit.

"I don't like them. I think they're bad policy," he said.

The accounts, expected to bring in $6.4 billion less to the Treasury over a decade, would be available to individuals with high-deductible health insurance. The deductible must be at least $1,000 for an individual or $2,000 for a family.

Individuals, their employers or their family members could put away the amount of the annual deductible, up to $2,600 a year for individuals and $5,150 a year for families. People age 55 to 65 could make additional contributions to build a medical nest egg.

Money deposited in the accounts could be invested, then withdrawn free of taxes for insurance premiums, prescription drugs, long-term care services, Medicare premiums and other health costs. Employers would not pay payroll taxes on amounts they contribute as an employee benefits.

An account stays with a person for a lifetime. Upon death, assets can be transferred tax-free to a spouse.

The Ways and Means Committee chairman, Rep. Bill Thomas, R-Calif., said tax-free health spending is not as revolutionary as it may appear because employers already get tax deductions for money spent on their workers' health care.

The appeal of tax-free investing gives individuals incentive to use the new accounts and tax-free withdrawals make the money readily available for health needs, Thomas said.

"The last thing you want to do is have someone have a second thought about spending money on health care because there's a tax consequence," he said.

The next step, Thomas said, is legislation letting those with flexible spending accounts, also called cafeteria plans, deposit money leftover at the end of the year into the new health savings accounts.

Flexible spending accounts let employees set aside pretax dollars for expected health expenses. The funds cannot be invested, and any unspent money must be forfeited at year's end.

Some Republicans long have pressed for health savings accounts as a way to control spiraling health costs, asserting that people will force health care costs down by paying out of their pockets rather than with insurance.

"This is a critical step in reducing our reliance on third-party payers, creating more free market mechanisms in health care. It's extremely important," said Rep. Pat Toomey, R-Pa.

Opponents argue the accounts will increase health costs gradually for many people by drawing young, healthy and affluent people out of the general pool of health insurance into the high-deductible insurance plans.

"If health savings accounts prove popular, as congressional scorekeepers expect, low-deductible insurance will gradually become more expensive or even disappear. That would hurt the low-income and the sick," wrote tax expert Leonard Burman and health expert Linda Blumberg of the Urban Institute, a private think tank in Washington.

As troubling to the opponents, however, is the idea of totally tax-free savings for those wealthy enough to set the money aside.

"From a tax perspective, we think it's a precedent for this kind of tax-free treatment on both the front-end and the back-end, for changes in tax policy related to IRAs and 401(k)s," said Edwin Park, senior health policy analyst at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a think tank cited by Democrats.

Steve Moore, founder of the conservative Club for Growth, thinks that's a great idea.

"I'm in favor of dramatically broadening tax-free savings accounts," he said, proposing that individuals be allowed to establish tax-free accounts for education, child care and other needs.

"These are ways of short-circuiting the left's ability to create new government programs, because if people have enough money in these accounts, they don't need new government programs," he said.



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KEYWORDS: healthcare; medicare; msa
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1 posted on 11/23/2003 1:04:24 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Which, of course, is the way it should be for health care (and everything else). The income tax needs to be abolished so people are free to save and invest and or do whatever they feel is appropriate or necessary with their own money. We'll never be free again until the income tax is gone. Go back to excise taxes the way the founders intended.
2 posted on 11/23/2003 1:15:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: kattracks
As troubling to the opponents, however, is the idea of totally tax-free savings for those wealthy enough to set the money aside.

I have never been any where near wealthy and I've been able to "set some money aside", and that's without getting any tax-free benefits.

3 posted on 11/23/2003 1:17:24 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Jim Robinson
I've had a medical savings account for about five years, and it's the most sensible insurance I've ever seen. It also causes people to stop and think before they over-utilize medical services. The money is theirs, and suddenly they don't want to waste it on a hangnail or some other pointless medical care.
4 posted on 11/23/2003 1:23:16 PM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: Jim Robinson
We'll never be free again until the income tax is gone."

What's your opinion on property taxes? It bugs me that no one can ever truly own property in the U.S. We're all perpetual renters, even after the mortgage is paid off.

I don't know, though, what sort of alternative tax could be used for funding schools, police, etc.

5 posted on 11/23/2003 1:23:52 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: kattracks
New health savings accounts included in the Medicare legislation would let individuals save, invest and then spend money tax-free.

Okay, so at least there is one silver lining in this bad bill.

6 posted on 11/23/2003 1:25:36 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Jim Robinson
I don't disagree with your post at all, but how to deal with A) those who never think past the ends of their noses and, therefore, never save; B) those who never earn enough to save?
7 posted on 11/23/2003 1:27:53 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I agree, MSAs appear to be the only single good thing in there. However I can guarantee this is how a typical democrat voter will use it: "My MSA out of money, gimme gimme gimme!" So we'll be back to square one.
8 posted on 11/23/2003 1:30:09 PM PST by lelio
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To: Clara Lou
I don't disagree with your post at all, but how to deal with A) those who never think past the ends of their noses and, therefore, never save; B) those who never earn enough to save?

Here is a better question, would you prefer to die poor, homeless and bankrupt because you were forced to pay high taxes that paid for other people's mistakes? Or would you rather have just let those people destroy themselves?

9 posted on 11/23/2003 1:33:03 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: DumpsterDiver
Well, obviously, it's up to the voters in each state. My guess is that one of the primary causes of high property taxes is out of control spending in public education. I'd like to see the states solve both problems by privatizing education.
10 posted on 11/23/2003 1:33:32 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: lelio
See post 9.
11 posted on 11/23/2003 1:34:15 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Jim Robinson
This system is already in place for tens of millions of people including ALL employees of the federal government.

Anyone who is critical of it probably has a very difficult time unwrapping chewing gum to say nothing of chewing it while walking!

12 posted on 11/23/2003 1:34:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Clara Lou
Local controlled county hospitals and clinics, religious or charity hospitals and clinics, local controlled welfare. The feds have no business whatsoever in health care.
13 posted on 11/23/2003 1:36:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Or would you rather have just let those people destroy themselves?
That's just it-- the people of this nation won't be willing to watch someone die for lack of being able to afford medical services. Why do you think that our hospitals are required to care for immigrants and indigents?
14 posted on 11/23/2003 1:38:58 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: muawiyah
And that would include the drunken neanderthal and uncharged felon, Senator Theo Kennedy, who should be serving a term in prison rather than the senate for DUI, manslaugter and fleeing the scene of a fatal accident.
15 posted on 11/23/2003 1:41:14 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: kattracks
Looks like Dubya has outsmarted the Rats and the FReeper doubters again.
16 posted on 11/23/2003 1:43:34 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: DumpsterDiver
>>I don't know, though, what sort of alternative tax could be used for funding schools, police, etc.

I don't know why we need any taxes at all: income, property, sale taxes etc. The republicans in power have made it quite clear that defecits do not matter, and there is no problem whatsoever having trillions upon trillions of dollars of debt. So why can't we just stop collecting taxes altogether and just keep borrowing money to pay for the government?....if we could just borrow enough, we'd all be wealthy, wouldn't we? and we'd never have to do any of the hard work of actually reducing spending or the size of government...

17 posted on 11/23/2003 1:49:08 PM PST by cpst12
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To: ServesURight
>>Looks like Dubya has outsmarted the Rats and the FReeper doubters again

...it will only cost us taxpayers about $400Billion dollars (minimum) over the next decade to pay for this $6 Billion dollar tax savings we are gonna get on the medical savings accounts...that dubya, he fooled us alright....
18 posted on 11/23/2003 1:52:47 PM PST by cpst12
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To: kattracks
Big deal. It is a $400 billion (at least) vote-buying scam.
19 posted on 11/23/2003 1:54:18 PM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Clara Lou
That's just it-- the people of this nation won't be willing to watch someone die for lack of being able to afford medical services. Why do you think that our hospitals are required to care for immigrants and indigents?

Oh really, just check out some of the thread on FR about illegal immigrants

20 posted on 11/23/2003 2:06:15 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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