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To: billbears

Your god advocated the sacrifice of a man's son upon an alter, allowed the death of Able, committed genocide to clense the world, advocated slavery, domination of women, and a host of politically incorrect attrocities in the old testiment which were subsequently mollified in the new. This is the God of the Jews and the Muslems as well. The old tesitment is what the Jews, Christians and Muslims all share, it's the root of all the religions and thus the same God.

Islam may very well be a cult and false religion, for that matter so may christianity. But because they all have the old-testiment at their core (and islam has a form of the new testment incorporated since they see Jesus as another prophet) they, by all definition, worship the same exact god. Merely seen through different eyes.

28 posted on 11/20/2003 5:13:41 AM PST by pcx99
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To: pcx99
>> Islam may very well be a cult and false religion, for that matter so may christianity. But because they all have the old-testiment at their core (and islam has a form of the new testment incorporated since they see Jesus as another prophet) they, by all definition, worship the same exact god. Merely seen through different eyes.

Moral relativistic rubbish.


40 posted on 11/20/2003 5:26:33 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: pcx99
Yeah, you know quite a bit about the Bible alright.
44 posted on 11/20/2003 5:29:26 AM PST by milan
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To: pcx99; unspun
""Your god advocated the sacrifice of a man's son upon an alter, allowed the death of Able, committed genocide to clense the world, advocated slavery, domination of women, and a host of politically incorrect attrocities in the old testiment which were subsequently mollified in the new""

Negative, Man advocates slavery, Man advocates the domination of women Etc,etc
Man is the one who is totally depraved, who twists things to meet their own needs, JUST like you are twisting words to satisfy your arguement!

But alas, I understand totally Because unless the Holy Spirit empowers and enlightens you to say Jesus is Lord, You cannot do it by your own knowledge.
You are only born of flesh , not of the Spirit.
May God give you Revelation in your life about the truth of the whole matter, What ever it may be.
49 posted on 11/20/2003 5:31:39 AM PST by chicagolady
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To: pcx99
Just had to answer this, despite the fact that I should be working:

Your god advocated the sacrifice of a man's son upon an alter,

In the case in point, the "sacrifice" of Isaac was a prophecy of the sacrifice of Christ, taking place on the very spot of the crucifixion 2000 years earlier. Abraham realized that he was acting out prophecy, which is why he named the place "The-Lord-Will-Provide," which in Moses' day spawned the saying, "In the Mount of the Lord it shall be provided" (Gen. 22:14). In any case, you'll notice that God didn't actually make Abraham go through with it, so your whole comparison is a non-starter to begin with.

. . . allowed the death of Able,

Yes, God allows us to do evil. He respects free will. That's not the same as ordering the death of Able.

. . . committed genocide to clense the world,

Yep. God respects free will, but there comes a point when He has to step in, take a hand personally, and pass judgment. He withholds His judgment as long as possible so that as many as possible can repent and be rescued.

. . . advocated slavery,

Debt slavery. It was the second millennium B.C.'s answer to bankruptcy. Those who so sold themselves went free on the seventh year.

. . . domination of women,

Actually, the Bible's rules on the subject are there for the protection of women. Even the ones that seem completely unfair make perfect sense when their cultural context is taken into account.

. . . and a host of politically incorrect attrocities in the old testiment which were subsequently mollified in the new.

Nothing was "mollified" in the NT, as if the OT were broken and needed to be fixed. All that the NT does is clarify the Old. Those who want to pretend that God suddenly got softer in the NT are deluding themselves, as are those who think that He doesn't show His love equally well in the OT.

This is the God of the Jews and the Muslems as well.

The God of the Jews, yes. We just have a standing disagreement on whether Jesus is the Messiah and whether the Messiah is God in the flesh, but we largely agree on God's nature and personality.

But Allah? He's the exact opposite of the God of the Bible. God delights in making covenants (relationships) with people and keeping them. Allah is presented as capricious in the Quran, untrustworthy. God cannot lie, Allah can. Allah calls his followers servants. God, on the other hand, calls His His own children, His brothers and sisters, His bride. Allah demands submission, God desires fellowship. For Allah, the only way to be certain of entering heaven is to die while killing Allah's enemies--that's why you have all the volunteers to be suicide bombers in the Islamic world. For God, the only way to get into heaven was through the death of His own Son.

The view that Allah and God are basically different names for the same Person is naive. Those of us who have studied both and don't have to worry about riots breaking out when we speak honestly can tell you that they're no more the same than Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.

86 posted on 11/20/2003 5:54:36 AM PST by Buggman (Jesus Saves--the rest of you take full damage.)
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To: pcx99
If I insist that I am a doctor because I have read the same thousand year old medicine books that modern medicine has it's roots in, you would rightly say I am insane or stupid.

If I insist that Snoop Dawg is Elvis because the music has some of the same roots, you would obviously call me blind.

In the same manner saying that any 2 groups are worshipping the same actual person whether creator, angel, demon, spirit, man or ghost simply because the founders read the same books is rather negating the concept of an actual God.

If one man says that he works for the queen of England and describes the historical actual person of the queen and shows how he serves her, and If I say I also work for the queen, but then proceed to describe Hillery or any other person on the planet besides the queen herself in form, power, actions and character, we are not serving the same person. One of us is deceived or lying.

God is a real person, more real than any man. To say that you serve him but to actually serve a different person with a different character and teaching means that you have stolen God's name and applied it to something else. Few if any people serve Him perfectly, and some might even argue that no one serves the true creator in this day, but to totally hijack the name and smear the character means that you are actually worshipping something else entirely.
412 posted on 11/20/2003 9:17:33 AM PST by Geritol (Lord willing, there will be a later...)
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To: pcx99
The old tesitment is what the Jews, Christians and Muslims all share, it's the root of all the religions and thus the same God.

Are you sure that Muslims recognize as holy the first five books of the Bible which contains the law given to Israel? That would be a real shock as the focus of Islam all over the world seems to be the destruction of Israel.

521 posted on 11/20/2003 12:07:13 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: pcx99
thank GOD my GOD in not "politically correct" islam is a amalgamation of the torah, mohammads fathers favorite house god,plus opium induced hallucinations.
584 posted on 11/21/2003 6:18:30 AM PST by gdc61
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