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To: dasboot
You're nuts. Your last paragraph simply is not based on any reality here in the US.

I can give you case after case from my own personal knowledge of friends losing hi-end jobs as well as businesses here in CT due to the huge influx of illegals. House framing labor rates have been driven down from $16.00 per hour, to $8.00 per hour. It used to be that one could at least make a living as an apprentice house framer (right out of State Trade tech. high schools). No more. I have friends in the construction business that are basically forced to hire illegals, just to compete with the scumbags who hire illegals exclusively. The funny part happens when things go wrong on the job site. There are a lot of (true) tales out there regarding non-skilled illegals phuking up many a job, only to leave the builder and home owner behind and go on to the next job site. All the while leaving the home-owner with a $50,000.00-$200,000.00 "mistake" on his hands.

I could tell you about all the entry level jobs in HVAC, Heating, Plumbing, Auto Body repair, Automotive repair, Carpentry etc, being glommed up by illegals, leaving the recent graduates from my states trade high schools unable to find work in their trades in which they've trained in for 4 years.

I could tell you about a personal friend who refused to hire untrained (horticulture) help and ran the states 4th largest landscaping business with over 65 employees and millions of dollars in equipment, driven out of business by hoardes of beaners in clapped out pick-up trucks with push mowers. These illegals pay no taxes, pay no insurance, (piss all over the lawns of multi-million dollar homes) and charge 1/2 price because of it.

Is this you're Utopia?

5 posted on 11/12/2003 12:59:39 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
The funny part happens when things go wrong on the job site. There are a lot of (true) tales out there regarding non-skilled illegals phuking up many a job, only to leave the builder and home owner behind and go on to the next job site. All the while leaving the home-owner with a $50,000.00-$200,000.00 "mistake" on his hands.

Not a new problem, and not one exclusively attributable to illegal immigrants. A person who hires a builder without checking past performance, without confirming insurance, if a fool. The market quickly boots unsavory contractors. Here in Massachusetts, reputable builders have more work than they can handle. Maybe your buddy should move?

My shop tech teacher (trade school...cabinet-building and framing, me) used to say the customer is the boss. Your friend could have adjusted to the demands of the market as required by his clients, but refused. He must be an 'Artiste'.

I hate whining; there's plenty of opportunity that results from every down circumstance in the market. Smart, hard-working folk will get it, and prosper. Whiners demand the gubmint 'do something'.

I know a good harness maker, displaced by the automobile, still looking for work....been 90 years since he had a job.

Note that I put aside the immigrant problem in my nutty last paragraph.

8 posted on 11/12/2003 2:00:42 PM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: taxed2death
Is this you're Utopia?

My Utopia is a confederation of States that preserves freedom for me and my posterity, and a national government that restrains its hammy 'helping hands', and focuses on it's enumerated duties. Thom Jefferson and a bunch of other idealistic nuts wrote about it: check it out, duuuude.

Next?

10 posted on 11/12/2003 2:08:21 PM PST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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To: taxed2death

The problem with so many neo-cons are they are just as far away from reality as the elite liberals they oppose. The current economic situation is not politically sustainable long term, too many fat cats willing to cell out their fellow citizens for their 30 peices of silver. It will be a matter of time before the backlash will not be able to be contained.
11 posted on 11/12/2003 2:33:22 PM PST by JNB
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