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Time to knock down language bar to aid
New York Daily News ^ | November 6, 2003 | Albor Ruiz

Posted on 11/06/2003 1:37:32 AM PST by sarcasm

María Armijos would love to work. That, after all, was the reason she left Ecuador 12 years ago full of hope for the future.

At the time she could not have known that in a few years, epilepsy would preclude her from holding a job and force her to seek desperately needed help.

The fact that her English is poor would prove an almost insurmountable obstacle to getting the aid she needed - and to which she had a right.

"HRA [Human Resources Administration] has discriminated against me for years," Armijos said. "I never received translation services, and the caseworker mistreated me. They rejected my application two times, and I felt a lot of anxiety because I never understood what was happening with my case. It even got to the point that I had an epileptic seizure in the welfare center."

Like Armijo, thousands of people are denied benefits because they can't speak English.

Feng Lian, a social worker at the Union Health Care Center of the garment workers union UNITE, said that she always tells Chinese-speaking union members she refers to the Human Resources Administration to make sure they bring along someone who speaks English. Otherwise, she said, their chances of getting help are slim.

Which is why Intro 38 (the Equal Access to Health and Human Services Bill) was presented to the City Council on Sept. 18 by John Liu (D-Flushing) and Gale Brewer (D-Manhattan). The bill is sponsored by 41 other Council members, including Speaker Gifford Miller and General Welfare Committee Chairman Bill DeBlasio.

Intro 38 mandates that the Human Resources Administration, the Department of Employment and the Department of Health provide free written translation and oral interpretation services.

A rather modest bill, Intro 38 is not trying to reinvent the wheel. Instead, it seeks to ensure access to city services and bring New York in compliance with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Four years ago, the city was found in violation of federal civil rights law because of this issue.

The Justice Department and Health and Human Services have said that failure to give language help in federally funded, city-administered programs violates the act.

"This bill will ensure that nonEnglish-speaking New Yorkers have equal access to services and benefits, regardless of language barriers," DeBlasio said. "It will help, for instance, to make sure that low-income New Yorkers who may not be able to speak English can put food on their family's table and get health care for their children."

The mayor, though, came out against Intro 38 in his radio program last Friday, saying it would be too costly. Yet the Council estimated the cost at $500,000 the first year and a million the second - less than the price of three hi-tech subway cars.

Actually, in contrast to what Bloomberg said, Intro 38 makes good financial sense. By giving more people access to programs such as Food Stamps and Medicaid, it would bring into the city millions of federal dollars.

"Mayor Bloomberg is always walking around seeking the support of the immigrant community," said Barcilides Matos, a disabled Dominican-American who has been to hell and back at Human Resource Administration offices. "Yet when we need him to back us up and respond to our problems, he is nowhere to be found."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: english; immigrantlist
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1 posted on 11/06/2003 1:37:32 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
But she is not a New Yorker! She is an illegal alien! She ought to get a plane ticket back, and bill the Equador foreign aid account for the cost of the plane flight.
2 posted on 11/06/2003 1:44:05 AM PST by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: donmeaker
Hmmm. I see no reference in the story to her immigration status - merely that she came to the US a bit over a decade ago.

But you say she is an illegal.

May I ask how you know that?

Sadim
3 posted on 11/06/2003 2:56:20 AM PST by sadimgnik
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To: sarcasm
Actually, in contrast to what Bloomberg said, Intro 38 makes good financial sense. By giving more people access to programs such as Food Stamps and Medicaid, it would bring into the city millions of federal dollars.

Good financial sense??? And just where does the yo-yo think those Federal Dollars come from? God ain't sending it like manna from heaven Bub...

4 posted on 11/06/2003 4:13:05 AM PST by trebb
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To: sarcasm
Yeah right. What happened to the requirement people speak English when they're American citizens? Ok I know this is sarcasm on my part but its not directed against the poster I'm responding to.
5 posted on 11/06/2003 4:16:06 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Re: how do we know the poor lady is an illegal alien?

We don't but there are reasons to believe so. First the newspaper's employee has to be aware of the illegal immigration controversy and IMO would have pointed out her legal status. Second, if you google for Intro 38 you'll find a plethora of these stories from all immigrant groups and they make no distinction bewteen legal and "undocumented" with their support of Intro 38 and demands for services.

Third, Mayor Michael Bloomberg's executive order 34 reversed policy and allows city employees to report undocumented immigrants to federal authorities. He caught a lot of hell for that. Fourth, is "The mayor, though, came out against Intro 38 in his radio program last Friday, saying it would be too costly." I am sure he said more than that. (A liberal saying "it would be too costly?!") The mayor has made his feeeeeelings known about public services and ILLEGAL aliens. In the old days people here legally were required to have the resources to care for themselves. I think it's still true.

The real solution is to give potential emigrants reasons to stay home. IMO that means regime changes as well as things like NAFTA. For example, I believe it's true that corrupt Mexico has as many billionaires as England though of course Mexico has more people still remaining in Mexico.

6 posted on 11/06/2003 4:25:02 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: sarcasm
As someone who was not born in the U.S. proper, and for whom English is a second language, let me be the first to say - GET OFF YOUR (*@&(@^# @SS AND LEARN THE DAMN LANGUAGE! LEAST YOU CAN FREAKING DO FOR BEING GIVEN THE CHANCE TO ESCAPE THE HELLHOLE YOU ESCAPED FROM!

I swear, NO other country - NONE IN THE WORLD, would do this for immigrants. They'd laugh at the idea. It's ridiculous. The least you can do when you move to a country is learn their language - it's basic freaking courtesy. To come here and demand that you have the government pamper you rather than you displaying the MINIMUM of effort to show respect for your new neighbors (you know, like being able to -understand what they say-) is the height of hubris and frankly if you're that bloody arrogant and socialist-minded, I don't want you in the country either. Next you'll be voting to triple my taxes so you can stay freaking home all day.

Qwinn
7 posted on 11/06/2003 4:25:34 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
I guess along with not learning the language, this immigrant made no friends who CAN speak English in twelve years. She goes to no church, has no neighbors who could spend a day at the Disability services office. I don't think so! And if it is true she has a larger problem than just not getting her 'check' from the government.
8 posted on 11/06/2003 4:41:21 AM PST by maica (Leadership matters)
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To: sarcasm
There is so much wrong with this repulsive article that I hardly know where to start

María Armijos would love to work. That, after all, was the reason she left Ecuador 12 years ago full of hope for the future.

She couldn't work in Ecudor?

force her to seek desperately needed help.

Seeking help is entirely different from demanding welfare. Help may be given or not. Welfare uses the police power of the state to take the bread out of the mouths of the children of those who work for a living and give it to those who "need" for a living

The fact that her English is poor would prove an almost insurmountable obstacle to getting the aid she needed

So learn English. Last I heard the USA used to be english speaking if you can't or more likely won't learn the language then get the hell back to where you came from.

- and to which she had a right.

This is the most irritating and perverse part of this whole communist wad of BS. What "right" does anyone have to the property of someone else? IF she makes bad decision or for that matter if she has bad luck does this mean that everyone else must work that much harder? Charity is one thing, but charity is voluntary. Welfare is receiving stolen goods that the recipients are too cowardly or lazy to steal for themselves, so they get the government to do it for them.

"HRA [Human Resources Administration] has discriminated against me for years," Armijos said. "I never received translation services, and the caseworker mistreated me. They rejected my application two times, and I felt a lot of anxiety because I never understood what was happening with my case. It even got to the point that I had an epileptic seizure in the welfare center."

Then like I said before get the hell back the Ecuador lady. If you "love to work" (yeah right) then spend some time working. Apparently she wasn't too incapacitated to make a career of collecting plundered loot from the taxpayers

Like Armijo, thousands of people are denied benefits because they can't speak English.

Then f.....g learn English or go back to the wonderful culture that spawned you.

The bill is sponsored by 41 other Council members, including Speaker Gifford Miller and General Welfare Committee Chairman Bill DeBlasio.

Every one of these people is plundering the taxpayer and looking for a way to get more people on the plunder bandwagon. Don't speak english, no problem we'll rob some hardworking slob for you and make sure that your health is taken care of. What he can't pay for his family? tought sh!t Who's more important some needy wanty immigrant who brings nothing to this country except another body to add to the welfare roles or the people who support themselves and the vast parasitic government class? No brainer - the parasites of course

... provide free written translation and oral interpretation services.

Oh, "free," I guess that meant that the government employees providing this are going to work for nothing. Oh it doesn't? Well I guess by "free" they mean that it will be paid for by the taxpayers again.

There is so much more, but I have other things to do. Ithaca is no longer the city of Evil. New York is.

9 posted on 11/06/2003 5:01:57 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: sarcasm
Good God! She's lived here for 12 years and still can't speak English! She can't get a job because she's dumb as a rock!
10 posted on 11/06/2003 5:21:10 AM PST by ought-six
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To: sarcasm
'"HRA [Human Resources Administration] has discriminated against me for years," Armijos said. "I never received translation services, and the caseworker mistreated me. They rejected my application two times, and I felt a lot of anxiety because I never understood what was happening with my case. It even got to the point that I had an epileptic seizure in the welfare center."

Like Armijo, thousands of people are denied benefits because they can't speak English.'

Yeah . . . well, that happens when you don't bother to learn the language. But guess what? I have traveled to Argentina, through Europe and the Pacific basin and I never had translation services provided for me, either. If I wanted to communicate with the natives of the countries I visited, I was expected to learn their language.

Welcome to America. If you don't speak English, don't expect a pleasant stay. Go home.
11 posted on 11/06/2003 5:22:07 AM PST by DustyMoment
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To: Qwinn
The least you can do when you move to a country is learn their language - it's basic freaking courtesy

Amen.

12 posted on 11/06/2003 5:28:13 AM PST by Egon (This is my third tagline.)
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13 posted on 11/06/2003 6:32:36 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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14 posted on 11/06/2003 7:44:23 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when you're done. We'll be here.)
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To: ought-six
Good God! She's lived here for 12 years and still can't speak English!

That's nothing. The company I work for frequently hosts depositions in our conference room. We've taken the depositions of witnesses who've been living in America 20 or 30 years and still need a translater because they do not know a word of English! Sometimes three generations of a family are living here, and none know English. We make it so darned easy for them, with Spanish language television, Spanish language ATMs, government service in Spanish, etc., that there is no need for them to learn English at all. In fact, people often say to me, "You've lived in LA how long, and you don't know Spanish?!" The burden is on us Americans to learn Spanish. It is unreasonable and "insensitive" to ask why an immigrant doesn't know English, however long the immigrant has been here.

Sound backwards? Well, it's coming to your area soon, if it's not already there.

15 posted on 11/06/2003 8:06:33 AM PST by Nea Wood
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"Actually in contrast to what Bloomberg said, Intro 38 makes good financial sense. By giving more people access to programs such as Food Stamps and Medicaid, it would bring into the city millions of welfare dollars."

Whatever happened to the prosperity these illegals were supposed to bring???? After, these people are doing the things that no other American would do.

And let's not keep this a big secret. Let's tell Arnold how to bring millions of dollars to Callifornia. (sarcasm)
16 posted on 11/06/2003 9:08:57 AM PST by texastoo
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Great! We here in this country suffer for healthcare and assistance in our physical disabilities, try getting SS, HA!My heart pumps donkey whiz!
17 posted on 11/06/2003 9:31:22 PM PST by JustPiper (18 out of 19 HiJacker's had State issued Driver's License's !!!)
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To: sadimgnik
Who really cares if she is an illegal or a legal? Either way she's just here for the welfare --- send her back, she doesn't have the language skills, the education, the work-ethic or anything else to make it in this country. Lots of legals are getting in and getting right onto the handout programs --- in fact more legals take welfare immediately than illegals do. Immigration is destroying this country.
18 posted on 11/07/2003 6:21:13 AM PST by FITZ
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To: JustPiper
I know a social worker in Michigan who had to brush up on his Spanish because there are so many mentally ill from Mexico up there now who "need" government services. Of course they don't work --- the people he's "assisting" speak no English at all and are too deranged to ever be hired. We've become the welfare program for all of Mexico.
19 posted on 11/07/2003 6:24:26 AM PST by FITZ
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"...too deranged to ever be hired."

The perfect Democrat/RINO voter.

20 posted on 11/07/2003 7:07:42 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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