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Woman who came out of long coma on Fox News at 10 pm Eastern - Greta's show
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Posted on 11/05/2003 7:00:56 PM PST by cpforlife.org

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To: FL_engineer
THANK YOU!!! You are great.
51 posted on 11/06/2003 12:13:48 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: FL_engineer
Contact Info:

Ontherecord@foxnews.com -On the Record with Greta - Greta Van Susteren

Atlarge@foxnews.com - At Large with Geraldo Rivera

Hannity@foxnews.com - Hannity & Colmes - Sean Hannity

Speakout@foxnews.com general FoxNews forum - Thank them for having the best Terri Schiavo coverage of any news channel!

Oreilly@foxnews.com - The O'Reilly Factor - Bill O'Reilly
(Bill used to parrot CNN with drivel from the husband)
(he's 'possibly' a little more 'pro-Terri' now?-)

52 posted on 11/06/2003 12:19:28 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer; MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
FL_engineer (The Great!) has transcribed an incredible interview between Bill O'Reilly and Kate Adamson. Kate was in a physical situation similar to Terri Schiavo.

See post 48 Very powerful.
53 posted on 11/06/2003 12:22:57 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: FL_engineer
Amazing story!
54 posted on 11/06/2003 12:48:19 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: FL_engineer
Incredible story...! Now, where are those folks who said nobody ever recovers from what appears to be a vegetative state?
55 posted on 11/06/2003 4:26:35 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: cpforlife.org
ANOTHER woman who recovered from what doctors said was PVS:

Disabled Rally Around Terri Schiavo
By Hugo Kugiya
STAFF WRITER

November 6, 2003

Unable to speak and barely able to move, Rus Cooper-Dowda could do little to prevent her death. Only 30, she had developed a serious form of lupus that had left her in what doctors incorrectly thought was a vegetative state.

She knew the doctors and nurses had all but given up on her because she could still hear. She said later that she listened to them describe her prognosis as hopeless.

They said that she would never live a normal life and that if she took a turn for the worse, no extraordinary measures should be attempted to save her life.

Contrary to their expectations, Cooper-Dowda, now 48, survived. Over the years, she recovered some use of her body, earned a graduate degree and gave birth to a son who recently entered college.

Doctors couldn't explain why her condition got so bad 18 years ago, nor why it improved so much, she said. Which is why she thinks Terri Schiavo, the severely brain-damaged St. Petersburg, Fla., woman, should be helped, not left to die.

"People say she'll never fully recover," said Cooper-Dowda, a writer and teacher from Florida. "My feeling is, 'So what?' There is something between death and full recovery, and it's called living with a disability."

She is one of many disabled people who see Schiavo as a cause mirroring their own, even if their medical circumstances differ. (Cooper-Dowda was incapacitated for months, not 13 years like Schiavo.) Individually, they have spoken out. Last week, they took a collective stand.

"This is a real scary prospect for us, because there are lots of disabled people who can't communicate verbally," said Andy Imparato, president of the American Association of People with Disabilities.

Imparato and association board members, with the blessing of other disabled rights groups, released a written statement condemning the court's decision to allow Michael Schiavo to remove his wife's feeding tube. Such action should be confined, the statement said, "to those situations in which an individual's condition is terminal, death is imminent and any continuation or provision of treatment, nutrition and/or hydration would only serve to prolong dying ... "

"No one other than Ms. Schiavo, not even a guardian, has the right to make assumptions about the quality of her life," the statement continued.

While Schiavo's case has been seen largely as an issue of the sanctity of life versus personal choice, of conservative against liberal, of religious values against secular ones, the concerns of disabled people are more nuanced and personal and do not depend so much on politics or ideology.

"To us, it's more complex," Imparato said.

Although doctors disagree on her condition, a state court determined that Schiavo, 39, is in an irreversible and permanent vegetative state. After her husband received permission to remove her feeding tube, her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, harnessing the momentum of public outcry, convinced lawmakers and the governor to help. In less than 48 hours, the Legislature passed a bill giving Gov. Jeb Bush the authority to order the tube replaced, which he did Oct. 21.

Michael Schiavo is fighting the law in court, charging that it interfered with his wife's right to refuse medical treatment and that it violated the state constitution by passing a law that defied a court order.

While she was incapacitated, Cooper-Dowda tried to communicate by writing in the air with her finger. When she heard doctors discussing the removal of life support, she tried to spell the word "no." She even spelled it backward in hopes they would recognize it as a word. Doctors decided her movement was seizure activity and sedated her. The more she moved, the more she was sedated. Finally, a nurse became curious and put ink on the end of Cooper-Dowda's finger, so she could write the letter Y or N, for yes and no.

"It's still terrifying how close I came to death," Cooper-Dowda said, "because of all the assumptions someone else made about the quality of my life. ... When someone says, 'I wouldn't want to live like that,' it's believing it will never happen to you. When it does, it's not a bad life or a useless life. It's a changed life."

56 posted on 11/06/2003 4:46:36 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: FL_engineer
Unfortunately I had to miss these shows. There have been other cases also of people being in a coma for a long time and then recovering. Terri Wallis was in a coma for 19 years and when he came out of it he thought Reagan was still president.
57 posted on 11/06/2003 5:04:36 AM PST by Dante3
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To: therut
Terri never got the therapy to find out how far she could come back. Her husband refused to let it happen. It is one thing if therapy is attempted and it shows that there is indeed no responsiveness, it is quite another for a patient to show responsiveness but to have had no physical therapy!

Your reaction doesn't show reasoned medical judgment but rather an emotional upset at the thoughts of haveing to endure the travails of a sick family member and then applying that en mass to an entire classification of patient.

You do the thing you set out not to do(apply one recovered coma patient's experience to other coma patients) by mentioning your father!
58 posted on 11/06/2003 5:14:51 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: Jorge
Many surgeons are using Diprivan drips to keep patients under which if not titrated enough(with or with-out midazolam) could cause them to be semi conscious enough to remember certain details. Diprivan is not a analgeisic and care must be given to supply enough pain reliever(now a days fentanyl) to counter-act the pain. It is amazing that we aren't seeing the post-op effects of anesthesia that we used to, but I fear some "deep" procedures aren't getting the more general forms of anesthesia that the used to(like the anesthetic gases that are also available!
59 posted on 11/06/2003 5:22:57 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: therut
Terri is not terminally ill. She is disabled.
60 posted on 11/06/2003 6:03:19 AM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: FL_engineer
Thanks very much for the ping and the transcription, FL_engineer.
61 posted on 11/06/2003 6:05:46 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: therut
Conservatives are crapping in their own pampers wanting the GOVERNMENT to decide life and death decisions

The government already decides such things.

62 posted on 11/06/2003 6:07:53 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: FL_engineer; sweetliberty
THANKS! Interesting as well is that David Blaine was on LKL last night, talking about his 44 days with just plain water, no food. Did you happen to catch that? said it was uncomfortable, and that was with water and without the terror of it being a death sentence.

63 posted on 11/06/2003 6:13:39 AM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: FL_engineer
In the Geraldo interview, its been pointed out Darden is NOT the FL state AG. Geraldo must have been posing a hypothetical...

as in Darden - 'ASSUMING' you are the FL state AG, and you are defending Jeb Bush...
64 posted on 11/06/2003 6:27:06 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: cpforlife.org; therut; FL_engineer; floriduh voter; Frank_Discussion; FreepinforTerri; Gelato; ...
therut: See post 18 "As a physician As a physician As a physician As a physician As a physician As a physician..."

Well it looks like we have another troll surfacing in the swamp!

In true troll fashion he has dumped his load and moved on.

Bye, bye, Dr. therut

65 posted on 11/06/2003 8:56:18 AM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: FL_engineer
Dehydration and starvation are HORRIBLE deaths, I would never ever subject my worst enemy or even an animal to them! This is not compassion in the least.... I can not think of a more painful and horrible way to die...

66 posted on 11/06/2003 8:58:53 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: editor-surveyor
I saw it. The troll should have at least had the common sense to do a grammar check prior to posting! LOL
67 posted on 11/06/2003 9:17:40 AM PST by PeyersPatches (I have intestinal fortitude)
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To: msmagoo
Isn't Rus Cooper-Dowda the one who, when she was FINALLY given a marker and paper to write with - as her husband and the doctor were joking about her being brain-dead - wrote DIVORCE HIM?

The fact that Terri Schiavo is given no opportunity to communicate is yet another reason why it should be a black-and-white issue for thinking people: If anyone really cares "what she would want," then give her the tools to express herself - there are plenty available.
68 posted on 11/06/2003 9:22:04 AM PST by Tax-chick (Right-wing Internet wacko)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Dr. Therut" is an anagram (a stupid one, but what you can expect) for "Red truth."
69 posted on 11/06/2003 9:23:59 AM PST by T'wit
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To: msmagoo
When someone says, 'I wouldn't want to live like that,' it's believing it will never happen to you. When it does, it's not a bad life or a useless life. It's a changed life."


I think that statement is very important as I have seen SO many people make it. She is correct, it is easy to say something when you're not in the position and, unfortunately, when you get in the position, you can't tell folks that you really didn't mean it. That is why life should always win over death. We do not have the right to arrogantly decide that Terri's life is not worth living.
70 posted on 11/06/2003 9:27:30 AM PST by PeyersPatches (I have intestinal fortitude)
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To: therut
If you are a physician, I am Queen Marie of Rumania.
71 posted on 11/06/2003 9:28:05 AM PST by T'wit
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To: Mo1
It happens alot with C-sections

Yikes, but with a csection, aren't you 'awake' from the waist up, so couldn't you say "OUCH, I FELT THAT"?????
I'm 8 mos preg, and most likely will have a csec.
please don't scare the hell out of me like that! :)
72 posted on 11/06/2003 9:38:11 AM PST by hunyb
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To: hunyb
I didn't mean to scare you .. I guess I shouldn't have used the word alot

I'm not sure of all the different procedures

My sisters were knocked out and weren't fully wake even though they knew what was going on.

Theirs were emergency c-sections and the drugs didn't kick in time.

And don't worry .. I am sure all will be find with you and the baby .. and Congrats
73 posted on 11/06/2003 9:50:21 AM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: HamiltonJay
I can not think of a more painful and horrible way to die...

Crucifixion?

74 posted on 11/06/2003 10:02:31 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- Doug from Upland)
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To: editor-surveyor
Yes, and I'm Dr. Floriduh Voter. I'll be back later with a post of my CV. I a highly regarded SPECIALIST IN THE TRUTH!!!
75 posted on 11/06/2003 10:03:05 AM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org FR Site)
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To: cyn
No, I deliberately choose not to pay for CNN programming. Feel free to summarize what was said there. thanks
76 posted on 11/06/2003 10:05:24 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: msmagoo
WOW! Thanks so much.

There is so much proof for us to see that we must, as a civilized society, err on the side of caution--on the side of LIFE!!
77 posted on 11/06/2003 10:09:35 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Mo1
Thanks Mol!
I'm so emotional right now, and taking everything so personally! I have a great doctor and at a great hospital, so I am sure all will be fine too!
Thanks for the reassurance!
:)
ps, your little angels are adorable!!
78 posted on 11/06/2003 10:09:49 AM PST by hunyb
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To: therut
And I'm sorry but when you marry your spouse is your next of kin under law.Conservatives are crapping in their own pampers wanting the GOVERNMENT to decide life and death decisions. I thought we supported marriage.

I hope you are just saving your critical thinking skills for when you are on the job, and that you really can do better than this.

It is the purpose of the law to protect innocent human life. LAW: It is the basic justice system for THE PEOPLE, so each invidual is equally protected, whether or not that person is a minor, or married or a priest. I hope someday the status of a person's age, whether 16 weeks post conception or 16 weeks post onset of puberty, won't affect the legal protection of life either.
As for supporting marriage as a covenant recognized by the law, we also must judge whether the husband and wife are honoring the covenant. To legally honor a sham adulterous union is to harm marriage, not support it.
Barfing up GOVERNMENT as if it is the bitter enemy when it seeks to protect a vulnerable life when you are defending an unrecognized right to starve someone is not conservatism.

79 posted on 11/06/2003 10:11:10 AM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: FL_engineer
"No, I deliberately choose not to pay for CNN programming"

LOL-You too!!?? Birds of a feather.....

CNN=Communist News Netverk
80 posted on 11/06/2003 10:18:16 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: hunyb
Hang in there .. I am sure all will be fine .. and remember if it gets bad .. Epidural can be your best friend ..*L*
81 posted on 11/06/2003 10:22:55 AM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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This is a test of the animated PINGING broadcast system. Plese remain behind the yelow line. Again...this is only a test.

All lights are GREEN, all systems GO for PING.

82 posted on 11/06/2003 10:40:01 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: therut
As a typical doctor, you don't listen when people are talking to you explaining something OR read anything you should to make a proper diagnoses.

It would not surprise me to learn that patients of yours died from medical neglect. You really don't listen at all do you"

Terri was NEVER terminally ill. The hospice used by her husband should have told him NEVER to bring her there. He dumped her there to make sure she died.

Read the facts before looking stupid.
83 posted on 11/06/2003 10:41:16 AM PST by atruelady
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To: All
I am sorry for my typos. I am really not feeling well today and I am making a lot of mistakes.

Carla
84 posted on 11/06/2003 10:43:39 AM PST by atruelady
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To: msmagoo
Thanks for posting the article.
85 posted on 11/06/2003 10:43:48 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Alouette; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; Blue Scourge; ...
Granted, it was on last night (on O'Reilly, too) but check this thread out anyway. ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

86 posted on 11/06/2003 10:46:22 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terry Schiavo.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Crucifixion for 3 hours, effectively bleeding to death vs dehydration ... nope I'll take bleeding to death over dehydration anyday... organs internally slowly dehydrading and failing... nope nail me up! Frankly rather be nailed and bleed to death rather than tied up and allowed to dehydrate to death ...
87 posted on 11/06/2003 10:49:55 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
The fact that the HINO and his mini-me lawyer attempted to kill Terri by starvation and withholding of water is the most blatant act of human depravity imaginable. It is simply amazing that Terri survived that nightmare of terror and neglect. These people are monsters from hell.

Felos thinks he is able to communicate with people who can't talk - by mental telapathy, I guess. Like he knows what they're thinking and what they want. Hint: ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT WE'RE THINKING! The guy is off his rocker a hundred times over.
88 posted on 11/06/2003 10:52:07 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: therut
As a physician I can only say......

I know this and I for sure as heck would not want to be kept alive with a feeding tube under certain circumstances. And I'm sorry but when you marry your spouse is your next of kin under law.Conservatives are crapping in their own pampers wanting the GOVERNMENT to decide life and death decisions. I thought we supported marriage....

Really. How we all suffer from a lack of knowledge. Attempt to follow the suggestion to review her bone scan results and picture yourself as one of her parents.

Take the time to go to the link below-cut and paste it up on your go to area, and take the time to review the bone scan findings of Terri dated 3-5-1991. Of course this does not mean anything to you, but ya know, I bet if Terri were your dtr, and YOU were fighting a spouse who has behaved a MS has, especially considering he REMEMBERED she wanted to be put down if artifically helped to live, EIGHT YEARS AFTER her injury!!! And that, after taking over a million dollars for her rehabilitation!!! Which, of course, went to $$$ for a hired attn working to put her to death. So...each individual case....RIGHT, therut? Put a little time where your posted opinion is...and report back.

http://www.cnsnews.com/storyimages/2003/terrischiavobonescanreport.jpg

Therut, I was stunned at how many bones were injured. (But I think you know someone who could interpret the paragraphs on the findings-perhaps, yourself? Maybe-a little? It would be the report YOU would recieve from the radiologists, after all.)

The thoracic injurys are what concerned me most...I just don't understand how a judge could overlook something this overwhelming...it crys out for justice! But the ribs, other vertebrae, and other evidence of bone injury are pretty damning.

Here is the email address again, of Terri's bone scan findings:

http://www.cnsnews.com/storyimages/2003/terrischiavobonescanreport.jpg

As one Freeper wrote-"She was beat to a pulp....more than once"

89 posted on 11/06/2003 11:00:16 AM PST by Republic
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To: cpforlife.org
I saw the interview, I hope the whole country does.
90 posted on 11/06/2003 11:10:54 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: therut
And I'm sorry but when you marry your spouse is your next of kin under law.Conservatives are crapping in their own pampers wanting the GOVERNMENT to decide life and death decisions

Well Doctor, if we as a nation are going to " err"....lets " err on the side of caution and life"!!!!!

91 posted on 11/06/2003 11:16:44 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: FL_engineer
I wrote to all. Thankyou.
92 posted on 11/06/2003 11:23:51 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: hunyb
"Yikes, but with a csection, aren't you 'awake' from the waist up, so couldn't you say "OUCH, I FELT THAT"?????"

Heh, heh, heh... The wife was three weeks late and had an absolutely massive belly when the doctor scheduled her for a c-section. She was prepped and given an epidural (sp?) and wheeled into the operating room. She kept asking how long it would take before she was numb and the doctors laughed about it (they figured she "thought" she was feeling things but obviously couldn't). I was standing at her side when the doctor made his first cut and she immediately flinched and yelled, "OUCH!"

The doctors all stopped and looked at her. Her doctor asked, "You could FEEL that?!"

She said, "YEAH, I was telling you I could still feel everything!"

The next thing I knew they told me to give my wife a kiss and wish her luck as they hurried me out of the room and started putting her under.

Everything turned out fine as she delivered our 10-1/2 pound son (our first of two kids) but she was a little bummed because by the time she woke up, all the parents and closest relatives had already met our new baby.

93 posted on 11/06/2003 11:44:14 AM PST by Hatteras (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: atruelady
Sorry you're feeling poorly today, atruelady. Nevertheless you just landed a solid wallop on "therut" ---

"As a typical doctor, you don't listen when people are talking to you..."

GOOD one, lady! :)
94 posted on 11/06/2003 11:50:14 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; Timesink; Gracey; Alamo-Girl; RottiBiz; bamabaseballmom; FoxGirl; Mr. Bob; ...
FoxFan ping! (Sorry I didn't find this thread in time yesterday)

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

95 posted on 11/06/2003 11:53:31 AM PST by nutmeg ("The DemocRATic party...has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters..." - Pat Caddell, 11/27/00)
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To: Graymatter
Well, it is true. I usually see a nurse practictioner when I am sick, unless it is something serious. Doctors don't listen. People are ravaged by diseases and doctors will tell them for years that it is all in their mind until the patient ends up dead.

Look at Terri. Nurses affidavits state that her medical records were "cleaned out". These are the same records that "doctors" used to make a determination of her health and recovery. Because that lying snake Schiavo "sanitized" her records, it is no wonder that a doctors evaluation was skewered. Schiavo made sure it presented what he wanted and so far he got it.

Most doctors who reported to the court did not examine Terri, they only reviewed her medical records.

This whole thing stinks and Felos better watch himself. He is a liar and with no morals. I think this downfall for him is God's retribution. You don't mock God or anything God has to influence our lives, EVER!

I said it before a while back, God is working this miracle still. Things are happening in order...don't you see? We must all continue to pray and praise his name. He hears the faithful.

Bill O'Reilly did a great piece on the ACLU (American Criminal Lawyers Union) last night. Their days are numbered.

Carla
96 posted on 11/06/2003 12:07:40 PM PST by atruelady
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To: pollywog
therut is an idiot. I don't believe he/she/it is a doctor because of his manner. It is probably someone from the Schiavo camp or even Felos himself.

Conservatives don't want to decide anything like that. This is not a partisan issue. All over the country most spouses relationships in regards to making decisions and so on are respected, BUT, when you have a case that is so conspicuously riddle with judicial fraud and misrepresentation, THE COURT HAS A DUTY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE TREATED FAIRLY AND REPRESENTED ACCORING TO THE LAW.

Therut misses the point. If the court fails and starts making the rules up as they go along (as been done in Terri's case) then the legislature HAS THE OBLIGATION TO STEP IN.

Case and point: If Greer had bothered to follow THE LAW in the first place in regards to the responsibilities and regulations of a guardian, none of this would be happening.

Felos also DELIBERATELY DISTORTS the fact that although Schiavo screwed up, and maybe in some cases it doesn't matter, IT SURE AS HELL DOES IN THIS CASE!!! Terri is his legal and lawful WIFE! It was his decision not to sever ties and give her to her family.

His screwing things up has nullified his ability to be a proper guardian UNDER THE LAW and Greer should have ruled accordingly.



97 posted on 11/06/2003 12:16:40 PM PST by atruelady
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To: cpforlife.org; fatima; RGVTx; FL_engineer; kayak; Mo1; Naspino; All
I have a question that I haven't seen addressed in any of these articles. Isn't the point of a brain scan to detect any activity of the brain which in turn indicates sight, hearing, or any other sense that the patient might be experiencing - even hallucinations? I am just wondering if Cooper-Dowda, Kate Adamson or Terri have ever had a brain scan and what they might have shown. Thanks for any input, this stuff is really scary. Anyone else noticing how much more often this type of stuff seems to happen to women than men? Really makes you want to get your will in order. Thanks again.
98 posted on 11/06/2003 1:14:15 PM PST by Is2C (http://www.persecution.com)
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To: therut
For a physician, you sure write like an uneducated person.

"Physician, heal thyself!"
99 posted on 11/06/2003 2:15:53 PM PST by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: therut
"I refuse to comment on these types of cases. "

Looks like you just did.

"I really hate to write what I think about all this Terry Story."

Then don't.
100 posted on 11/06/2003 2:57:02 PM PST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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