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The West's Fake Democracy (BARF-O-RAMA!)
Arab News ^ | Nov. 4, 2003 | Hassan Tahsin

Posted on 11/03/2003 5:31:09 PM PST by Alouette

The democratic model in the West is based on a principal pillar - freedom. It isn't simply political freedom but also freedom of speech, action and ideology. The only condition is that one person's freedoms shouldn't transgress on another's.

In that model it is imperative that everyone enjoys those freedoms, that no groups are excluded from that society and that anything that could possibly create divisions between the citizens of a country should be avoided.

The leaders of some Western democracies frequently urge others to adopt these ideas on the basis that they are the best that have ever emerged from the basic principle of individual freedom. They have imposed an ideological and racist hegemony on a group of societies that runs in parallel with the campaign that the US is waging against Islam and Muslims and whose objective is the disintegration of Middle Eastern countries in order to protect Israel.

In the state of Oklahoma, a Muslim student was forbidden to attend the Franklin Science Academy because of her insistence on wearing the hijab. The same thing happened at a school in France. These two incidents are a blatant violation of personal freedoms.

Consequently the question is: Is an individual's apparel a personal matter related to his personal freedom? Or is the Muslim dress the only one considered criminal in Western society?

Schools and other educational establishments in the West and especially in the US have turned from being places of learning to places for not so innocent amusements. Indecent clothes have become the prevalent dress code of students, sex and the use of drugs are widespread along with the possession of weapons. This goes on in schools in the democratic West under the banner of the protection of individual freedom.

But isn't it the right of any Muslim girl to cover her head in accordance with the teachings of her religion and at any time or place? This is after all a practice that doesn't encroach on the freedom of others.

In the face of this assault on the personal freedoms of a schoolgirl in Oklahoma, the Council for American Islamic Relations (CAIR) demanded that the state administration intervene on the basis that forbidding the girl from attending school was a violation of the US constitution.

The law governing school attire in the state of Oklahoma allows some exceptions if these are related to religious teachings. Why did the authorities at the school make this exception for Orthodox Jews and allowed them to wear the Yarmulke in accordance with their religious teachings but not for the hijab?

The US president invited Muslim Americans and diplomats from Islamic countries to break their fast at the White House on the first day of Ramadan in a naive attempt to win over the Muslims of the US - expressing his respect for the religion and declaring that his administration will not tolerate discrimination against Muslims. But he didn't go as far as denouncing Gen. William Boykin, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence affairs for his insolent attack on Islam.

Muslims are tolerant because they believe in the three prophets - Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) -- therefore they respect Christianity and believe in its teachings. To ban girls in hijab from education is an affront to Islam, Muslims and their beliefs.

Was Bush's vow to be strict with those who discriminate against Muslims as sincere as his commitment to a Palestinian state by 2005?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: democracy; hijab; islam; saudi; wahabi
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To ban girls in hijab from education is an affront to Islam, Muslims and their beliefs.

Is that even worse than girls without hijab attempting to escape from a burning building?

1 posted on 11/03/2003 5:31:09 PM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 11/03/2003 5:31:52 PM PST by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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To: Alouette
is the Muslim dress the only one considered criminal in Western society?

And here I thought the biggest dress problem was inappropriate t-shirts

And if they're improperly dressed, what can you expect the fireimans to do other than leave them in there.

3 posted on 11/03/2003 5:38:58 PM PST by SJackson
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"Is that even worse than girls without hijab attempting to escape from a burning building?"

Muslims are even bigger hypocrites than Democrats.

4 posted on 11/03/2003 5:43:25 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Alouette
I'm just curious, is there even a grain of truth to what this person is saying about a girl not being allowed to wear a hijab, or was it just invented from whole cloth?
5 posted on 11/03/2003 5:44:39 PM PST by jimbokun
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To: Alouette
"Is an individual's apparel a personal matter related to his personal freedom? Or is the Muslim dress the only one considered criminal in Western society?"

I would say the latter.
It was people in Muslim dress that killed over three thousand of our fellow Americans, and it's people in Muslim dress that slaughter innocent Israelis every day.

Besides, that hijab is ugly as hell!

6 posted on 11/03/2003 5:46:00 PM PST by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: jimbokun
is there even a grain of truth to what this person is saying

Probably not. He is a Saudi, after all.

7 posted on 11/03/2003 5:46:37 PM PST by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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Atomic Barf!
8 posted on 11/03/2003 5:48:13 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Alouette
And how many Christian churches are there in Saudi Arabia? And what is happens to a Christian who so much as sets foot in Mecca? Or a Muslim who dares convert to Christianity?

Look in the mirror first, Hassan. Any small breach of religious freedom that might occur in the USA is only one millionth of those that occur daily in any Muslim country.
9 posted on 11/03/2003 5:54:46 PM PST by Toskrin
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It was people in Muslim dress that killed over three thousand of our fellow Americans, and it's people in Muslim dress that slaughter innocent Israelis every day.

They were Muslims, but they weren't wearing Muslim dress. This is not just a nitpick. Personally, I think they should wear Muslim dress and be more noticeable.

10 posted on 11/03/2003 5:55:40 PM PST by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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Excerpted from: Student's family sues Oklahoma district over head scarf

A Virginia-based civil liberties group has filed suit against the Muskogee school district for not allowing an 11-year-old Muslim girl to wear a religious head scarf or hijab....
Over the summer, Nashala Hearn started wearing her hijab out of a religious requirement, she said. The girl converted to Islam a year ago....
School officials said the head covering violated their dress code that bars wearing bandanas, hats, caps or other headwear in the school building.
The dress code was developed to curb gang-related activity, according to the school.

A 10-year-old kid converting to Islam sounds a bit unusual to me.
But I can also understand the school's dress code if they've had problems with gang-related violence.

I guess what we actually need to see is a picture.
Something on which to judge whether this is actually religious apparel or some kind of gang-related bandana being flaunted to taunt the authorities.

11 posted on 11/03/2003 5:58:43 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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Hassan sez: Muslims are tolerant because they believe in the three prophets - Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) -- therefore they respect Christianity and believe in its teachings.

How many lies can you count in this one sentence?

12 posted on 11/03/2003 5:59:36 PM PST by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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The Muslim writers are always quick to bring up Moses and Jesus to prove how much they love Christians.
13 posted on 11/03/2003 6:17:33 PM PST by Toskrin
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Just to humor these guys let's keep the debate within our own frame of reference.

They seem to want to use the hijab as a point of order. I suggest that it's more appropriate to use Spandex as a point of order.

Do you see fat women at the beach in UAE or Kuwait wearing Spandex?

Hmmmm? Do you?

Well, there!

Case closed.

14 posted on 11/03/2003 6:42:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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The democratic model in the West is based on a principal pillar - freedom.

. . . and that anything that could possibly create divisions between the citizens of a country should be avoided

Notice how he sneaked in that "anything that could possibly create divisions" part? That does not sound anything like the Western ideal of freedom to me...

15 posted on 11/03/2003 6:53:57 PM PST by Zeppo
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To: Alouette
First of all, the article (or more appropriately the Koranic version of what can only be described as the 'stuff that hits the proverbial fan') has several mistakes in grammar/spelling.
(In the opening paragraph it uses the word principal, as in school principal when it should have used principle defined as a philosophy or truism, as in in the Muslim world there are no principles of tolerance to speak of.

Muslims are tolerant because they believe in the three prophets - Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) -- therefore they respect Christianity and believe in its teachings.

Muslims are tolerant of Christianity ??#@!!!!???!!!**#!!??!!!

You don't say??

Is that the reason why you can receive a death sentence for trying to convert Muslims to Christianity??

Notice the author could not steel himself to include Judaism as something Islam tolerates because that's a lie that even the Arab News couldn't bring themselves to print.

Finally, to call the US a fake democracy is nowhere as absurd and bizarre an oxymoron as referring to Islam as being (sic) tolerant.
The only thing this piece has to offer is to dramatically illustrate just how far out of touch and primitive these people really are.

16 posted on 11/03/2003 7:11:23 PM PST by the_greatest_country_ever (Shudder the dystopian nightmare of a world without the greatest country ever. God Bless America.)
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Muslim student was forbidden to attend the Franklin Science Academy because of her insistence on wearing the hijab

It's not wise to wear a hijab while working with a bunson burner.

17 posted on 11/03/2003 7:13:54 PM PST by monkeyshine
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But isn't it the right of any Muslim girl to cover her head in accordance with the teachings of her religion and at any time or place?

In a word: NO!
Case in point, Drivers licenses. Like the case in Florida. It also came out during the case that the religion does not require them to wear it in all circumstances, like ah, security concerns.
18 posted on 11/03/2003 7:42:10 PM PST by Wolfhound777
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To: Willie Green
A Virginia-based civil liberties group has filed suit against the Muskogee school district for not allowing an 11-year-old Muslim girl to wear a religious head scarf or hijab.... Over the summer, Nashala Hearn started wearing her hijab out of a religious requirement, she said. The girl converted to Islam a year ago.... School officials said the head covering violated their dress code that bars wearing bandanas, hats, caps or other headwear in the school building. The dress code was developed to curb gang-related activity, according to the school.

Very interesting. As usual the liberals want their own version of a Burger King society with a twist. They only want it their way. Can you imagine the uproar if some kid showed up at school wearing a "Christian" related T-Shirt. This same organization would be suing to have the kid expelled. These are the same idiots suing over the Pledge of Allegiance because it mentions God yet any other religion in public school is protected.
19 posted on 11/03/2003 7:48:52 PM PST by Wolfhound777
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One case in Oklahoma is all they could come up with? Combined w/ the case of the woman wanting to cover her face on her driver's license, these are exceptions to the rule. Not to mention that the complicated questions of local control, federalism, privacy, etc. don't seem to be addressed. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
20 posted on 11/03/2003 7:57:25 PM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee (const tag& constTagPassedByReference)
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